Today Show interview with photographer behind NY Post train pic

[Type Username Here]

Just asking:

Do some of you feel that this photographer should have been legally obligated to help?

 

[Gallo]

Of course it is. We live by a set of laws, not emotions. We can use our emotions, rationality and ethics to mold laws.

The man was not legally obliged to do anything in helping that man.

If we are questioning his ethical stance, so be it. I personally would feel that he could of helped and should have helped, but he wasn't obligated to help.

Nor should he be obligated to help.

You may be a little sociopathic my friend.

 

[Type Username Here]

You may be a little sociopathic my friend.

How so?

I would have helped the man up.

The point is, that I as an individual would have made the choice from my own ethical belief system, and not be worried about legal repercussions if I didn't.

It's very simple.

Are you advocating that the man should have been legally obligated to help?

 

[Gallo]

How so?

I would have helped the man up.

The point is, that I as an individual would have made the choice from my own ethical belief system, and not be worried about legal repercussions if I didn't.

It's very simple.

Are you advocating that the man should have been legally obligated to help?

I think your legal angle is irrelevant.

 

[YouMadd?]

People really expecting this guy to jump on a subway railway?!

Man when I went to school in Chicago I was on the Fullerton stop(one of the more busy central stops on the northside) waiting to go downtown and some dude jumped on the tracks and goddamn 200 people watched him get smeared across the tracks...

I really don't think it is right to blame someone for not risking their own lives to save someone's own life who doesn't value it themselves...

 

[Type Username Here]

I think your legal angle is irrelevant.

It's very relevant since our laws are usually ethics based.

This is a thread discussing ethics is it not?

A major component of ethical discussions obviously has implications on human interactions, and by extension, governance and laws.

 

[Type Username Here]

People really expecting this guy to jump on a subway railway?!

Man when I went to school in Chicago I was on the Fullerton stop(one of the more busy central stops on the northside) waiting to go downtown and some dude jumped on the tracks and goddamn 200 people watch this dude get smeared across the tracks....

I really don't think it is right to blame someone for not risking their own lives to save someone's own life who doesn't value it themselves...

I'm saying though. Everyone is superman when they aren't faced with the sense of danger.

It's easy for everyone to say they would have saved the man, but it takes a special kind of person to do something like that. Your body's NATURAL reaction is to avoid putting your life in harm's way.

In most people, the fight or flight mechanism usually triggers on the flight side of things. I've seen it person. When death is imminent or the threat of death is imminent it's an entirely different story.

 

[88m3]

crane deaths too? WTF you guys doing over there, didn't you just have a "murder free" day a few days ago?

Yeah. Part of it is corruption, part is the number of cranes in use. I read awhile back this year even with the economy NYC has some of the most cranes in use in the world for a metropolitan area.

Construction Accidents News - The New York Times


Yeah we just had a murder free day it was either this week or last week. Felt good man.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Your misreading me. What I'm saying is that the conversation sparked by the photo was about the ethical behavior of the photographer, not about the problem of yearly subway deaths. The conversation you want to happen isn't the primary effect of the photo.

Dude....I've stated this....we're not in disagreement about the 2 different effects of the photo

We're in disagreement about the expected outcome from the readers

Your angle amounts to "well how do you expect ppl to react, it was a morally reprehensible action by the photographer and the organization."

my response is simply, "I don't want them to 'react.' I wish they could analyze the situation (meaning you need facts) and hold all guilty parties responsible with tangible proof."

 

[Listen]

am I the only one who missed this story completely until now?

What is the picture of? His dead body?

:editL

Viewed.

That train looked fukking close as shyt in the published photo. Depending on how fast it was going that looked like there was no way to help. Now if he was standing there, the train wasn't in sight and he was stuck and he dint help him but instead sat around shooting pictures of him, thats foul.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Im not from NY or familiar with the subways but does anyone know why the trains come in the station so fast and why there is no barrier up like they do in airport shuttles or something? Why don't the trains stop prior to entering the station and creep in so the conductor can actually use the brakes in time if needed? Anyone know?

 

[88m3]

Im not from NY or familiar with the subways but does anyone know why the trains come in the station so fast and why there is no barrier up like they do in airport shuttles or something? Why don't the trains stop prior to entering the station and creep in so the conductor can actually use the brakes in time if needed? Anyone know?

Theres a few mta guys here. Can't remember their names though.


The trains stop/slow down before they enter stations and there are warnings to stand back. They still have a decent pace to them.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

so how are the dummies who can't see the bigger picture off the hook too???

I don't get it. Y'all see the problem. Y'all see that trying to scapegoat the photographer makes no sense.

But you still follow the crowd, instead of moving the crowd in the right direction.

You. Y'all. Make the story about one man. Not me.

Quick question: Do you think anybody on that platform that day will come forward and admit that they didn't help rescue dude? No. But public outrage for them is secondary to the NY Post creating the pic. That's a problem. That's THE problem. How do y'all allow their lack of action to create a SECONDARY response. That's lame.

First of all, please educate me on the "overall" problem.

The story should be about the one man because, to be honest, it is the most atrocious and inhumane thing I have seen in a while. The crowd is moving in the right direction, they are targeting the immoral actions of this ONE man. Yes, others did not help in the situation, wrongfully so, but focusing on this one man's action will definitely invoke a sense of humanity in people. I believe people, like us, will read this story and re-assess their actions and it might influence people to be more daring in future situations.

Yes, it is a long reach, but at least it is better to highlight the actions of this ONE man and learn from it then talk about the actions of others and let the story fade away like all the other ones do.

As you pointed out in your question, the other people on the platform were wrong in their actions. But they did not benefit from this financially, they did not take a picture of a man in a vulnerable position, and they definitely did not parade on TV and try to convince the general public that the camera was only used to signal the train driver. ARE YOU fukkIN SERIOUS?

 

[RicanFury]

Im not gonna lie, i would have yelled and screamed but i would not have gone over to try and pull him up.

You know how easy it would be for him to pull your ass off the platform while you are trying to help him? fukk that. If it was family, then yeah, but not for a stranger.

If that man was standing there for 22 seconds he could have ran to the end of the platform past where the train would stop.

word my nikka. fukk outta here at people talking like why nobody help dude. i feel sorry for homeboy but aint nobody in they right mind gonna help homeboy. once u fall down there its a wrap dog.im willing to bet that most of the ppl who live in nyc that said they'd help him never ride the train regularly, or ride the safer lines in safer parts of town. nikkas who ride the train on the reg in bad parts of the city know three things:

1) never ever make eye contact or argue with homeless/mentally ill people on the platform or in the cars.

2) if you see a mentally ill person or some shyt going on you move away from the edge and plant yourself against the wall while keeping them in your sight all all times.

3) if someone falls/gets thrown/slips onto the track u keep your distance. u can get pulled in, thrown in by the same person or pushed over by mistake by a crowd thats gonna swarm to see.


you break these rules you assed out dog.:yeaight:

RIP to homeboy but aint shyt people couldvbe really done unless they was gonna risk they life. go tell the person in the booth (if there is one) they can shut off power in the immideate station before a train comes in ( theres a shut off switch by the end of the stairs in each station) or someone get on the horn with the conductor.


nikka who took the photo is getting razzed cuz he of color and he was a pro-photographer. if the picture was taken by a cac with a cell camera nobody would be saying shyt, real talk.:yeaight:

 

[RicanFury]

This is what NYC is all about, people are so self aware that they forget the others around them, if you getting fu*ked up do not expect strangers to jump in, if you slip and fall on the floor breaking your legs they will keep walking around you with Horse blinders on.

nikka i've stepped over people who fell on the sidewalk. kept that shyt moving i once seen a mexican get robbed for his iphone on the 4 train. nikka was getting his ass whooped by a 6'2 black guy. nikka would not give up the phone. he just kept looking at the crowd saying someone help me why u no stop him?!!

when i seen the shyt go down i did this exactly as did everyone else:
nikkas is scrapping
* puts phone & ipod in pocket*
*watches in amazement as this mexican nikka gets whooped up and down the train and has the cobra clutch on that ipod*
:noshyt: *black dude gets out next stop without the phone runs out the station*
mexican: "wtf why ya didnt help me?"

me::yeaight: "this nikka crazy i dunno him"