To the Ukraine with Love. Mexico Declares War on Russia. Canelo Alvarez Vs Dmitry Bivol. May 7. DAZN

Who wins?

  • Canelo by KO

    Votes: 22 25.0%
  • Canelo by decision

    Votes: 29 33.0%
  • Bivol by KO

    Votes: 6 6.8%
  • Bivol by decision

    Votes: 29 33.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 2 2.3%

  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .

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@R=G Talk your shyt :hubie: The way Canelo got outclassed gives way more credence to all that shyt you was talking about Canelo being strategic avoiding people like Andrade. @((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL probably the biggest Canelo stan on here but even he was arguing with clowns in here that Bivol was a way bigger threat than people like Plant and Charlo and had a real chance to beat Canelo. Couple other dudes explicitly picked Bivol to win early on but majority might have underrated dude :ehh:
Bivol needs to get some P4P consideration after that performance

Think Canelo need to eat that L and move on, still fight GGG in the fall at a weight that's better suited for him. Leave them prime big guys alone
people just wanna discredit canelo's opponents so they don't have to give him credit if he beats them. anybody should have been able to see Bivol was the toughest opponent canelo could have faced. He had every single tool that canelo struggles with. which is exactly why I wanted him to take the PBC deal. david is still tailormade for canelo. He doesn't have the feet, defense, or the IQ that bivol does.

but there aint no shame in daring to be great. former Junior middleweight moving up to light heavy to face the best guy there. it is what it is. canelo needed to be humbled. he fell in love with his power and thought he could walk through anybody. Dude used to be a great combination puncher now he just throws one punch at a time trying to put everybody to sleep. this is the reality check he needed. He'll bounce back even stronger. I do expect him to take the rematch cause thats the type of competitor he is. Don't know if he'll win but he'll make adjustments and do better. It really comes down to conditioning. he had success early breaking through bivol's guard but all those power punches tired him out. it was just a dumb gameplan. he really thought bivol was gonna fold like the rest. this is the 2nd fight in a row where canelo looked slow and lethargic. like he was moving in quicksand. this is the worst his stamina ever looked though. he could barely even keep his hands up. he looked slow from the jump. they need to fire their s&c coach asap and get off that bullshyt vegan diet. It seemed like he had finally conquered his stamina issues too. so this is either a training issue or he's just finally getting old. But dude was stumbling all over the ring even when he wasn't being hit. Smh. Thats why i'm not even mad. if anything is gonna light a fire under him again this is it. If he doesn't come back better then he might officially be washed. but I'm guessing they didn't bother to put in the necessary conditioning work since they didn't need to lose the extra weight. shyt is inexcusable to not be able to go hard for more than 4 rounds.
 
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Some of it is probably because Bivol isn’t a sexy name and nikkas not really sitting down watching him box and some of it is that we’ve seen Canelo run through nikkas for years now so it’s just expecting more of the same .
Listening to fighters pre fight most of them never even watched bivol and was picking canelo to win, same with most media. 175 isn't really a sexy division and hes not knocking ppl out like you said.
 

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Some of it is probably because Bivol isn’t a sexy name and nikkas not really sitting down watching him box and some of it is that we’ve seen Canelo run through nikkas for years now so it’s just expecting more of the same .

Yea it was a 50/50 fight for Canelo at best to me.. Yea he whooped Kovalev 3 years ago but it wasn't a prime fighter like Bivol n Bererbiev. So for me the verdict was still out... I think he still has a chance in a rematch but he has to get his conditioning back in order... He already breathing out the mouth round 3.. all that laying on the ropes wasn't him playing possum he was taking off rounds... same way he almost lost to ggg in the 1st fight
 

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Man, this site is broke as fukk :wow:. I don't even know if this shyt is going to post. Canelo had a terrible game plan. His whole game plan was just walking in with wide ass Clubber Lang hooks. Nearly nothing straight and Canelo has one of the best right crosses in the game. Additionally, his boxing ability has regressed a lot over the last 4 fights. Look at the dude that fought Callum Smith, and the dude that fought Kovalev and such after. When he fought Kovalev he adopted his current walking straight in behind a high guard and looking to land one big punch style. Where's the dude that walked in behind the jab with head movement, the pull counters off jabs, the seamless transition from defense to offense? All the stuff he picked up from Mayweather after they fought? He's only 31. He can still physically do that stuff. He fell wayyyyyy too in love with his power around the Krusher fight, and got hella lazy and lax in the ring. It had been working out for him, but he got his ass beat last night. I think if the Canelo that fought Callum Smith shows up in a rematch, he could give a much better account of himself; but I'm still not sure even that version of himself beats Bivol. He barely hit dude clean all night, and when he did Bivol ate that shyt like Scooby snacks.

I would not surprised if a rematch does not even happen. It's primarily his ego and pride talking about a rematch right now. Yet, when he really reflects on this, he will know he needs to be at 168-160. He also needs to get back to being a boxer puncher and not just trying to be a puncher.
 
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Man, this site is broke as fukk :wow:. I don't even know if this shyt is going to post. Canelo had a terrible game plan. His whole game plan was just walking in with wide ass Clubber Lang hooks. Nearly nothing straight and Canelo has one of the best right crosses in the game. Additionally, his boxing ability has regressed a lot over the last 4 fights. Look at the dude that fought Callum Smith, and the dude that fought Kovalev and such after. When he fought Kovalev he adopted his current walking straight in behind a high guard and looking to land one big punch style. Where's the dude that walked in behind the jab with head movement, the pull counters off jabs, the seamless transition from defense to offense? All the stuff he picked up from Mayweather after they fought? He's only 31. He can still physically do that stuff. He fell wayyyyyy too in love with his power around the Krusher fight, and got hella lazy and lax in the ring. It had been working out for him, but he got his ass beat last night. I think if the Canelo that fought Callum Smith shows up in a rematch, he could give a much better account of himself; but I'm still not sure even that version of himself beats Bivol. He barely hit dude clean all night, and when he did Bivol ate that shyt like Scooby snacks.

I would not surprised if a rematch does not even happen. It's primarily his ego and pride talking about a rematch right now. Yet, when he really reflects on this, he will know he needs to be at 168-160.

breh we won last night...VPN solution for the win
 

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I knew Canelo couldn't win the fight when by the end of round 4 he was marked up, mouth breathing, and sweating hard as hell and Bivol's body was dry. Bivol literally didn't even look like he had to try that hard, he never left first gear. There isn't really much Canelo can do imo to be able to win a rematch.
 

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I don't agree with this, it was the boxing and footwork that gave canelo problems. Not many 175 lbers have the footwork and distance that bivol has. The power helps keep canelo at distance but it takes the footwork and placement to get there.

Footwork and distance can only do so much if you’re pillow fisted and have a shaky chin . We saw in the Khan,Trout and Lara fights that Canelo has issues with speed and talented boxers .But if you do not have the power to make him think twice it won’t matter in the long run because he can do just enough to get his shyt off

Bivol doesn’t have shattering power but he hits you hard enough to make you make a risk vs reward assessment before going in ..and In Canelos case if you get in ,get a shot off and Bivol eats it and looks unfazed it creates self-doubt ..especially after he’s seen fighter after fighter wilt from shots .

Add that to the fact like you said Bivol can legit box and is a larger man you get what we got last night .

Now could a LHW from the past like Nathan Cleverly or Fonfara do that ? Probably not . But a guy like a prime Eileider (spell check) Alvarez could do what Bivol did.But maybe I’m too high on him

I don’t really fw Canelo but I can’t act like this is a stain on him and I salute him for attempting to do what he did .
 

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Nah i don't agree with this, i never seen canelo gwt hit with so many flush shots in bunches like this in a long time. Bivol was catching and shooting all his body shots and returning with multiple combos in a row. There was one exhange bivol got like 6-7 straight flush shots on canelo. Plant wasn't getting 10+ hit rounds like this.

havent seen Canelo EVER get his head snapped back multiple times in a fight like he did last night too
 

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which is exactly why I wanted him to take the PBC deal. david is still tailormade for canelo. He doesn't have the feet, defense, or the IQ that bivol does.

he fell in love with his power and thought he could walk through anybody. Dude used to be a great combination puncher now he just throws one punch at a time trying to put everybody to sleep..

yea that easier path narrative look dumb as hell right now, like I said him turning down that PBC deal wasn't about him ducking he just really was hell bent on this specific goal of grabbing belts in different weight classes for whatever reason

the infatuation with power was evident as hell in this fight. Those hooks behind the gloves and uppercuts that fukked up Plant had zero effect on Bivol. Once Canelo couldn't dictate the tone of the fight with his power it's like he had no plan B. No adjustments or anything. Bivol was never in trouble and barely had any sweat on his back in the 12th round.
 

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Yea it was a 50/50 fight for Canelo at best to me.. Yea he whooped Kovalev 3 years ago but it wasn't a prime fighter like Bivol n Bererbiev. So for me the verdict was still out... I think he still has a chance in a rematch but he has to get his conditioning back in order... He already breathing out the mouth round 3.. all that laying on the ropes wasn't him playing possum he was taking off rounds... same way he almost lost to ggg in the 1st fight
I think it’s going to go the same way because Bivol isn’t just going to forget what he did to be successful or just become smaller .He did what he did on the strength of his boxing abilities.
If anything in a rematch Bivol may have the confidence to sit down a little more and snatch Nelo soul in the later rounds .
 

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one thing ive said about saul is that mexican fighters that start in their teens usually get done in their early 30s and it would eventually happen to him...could this be the beginning of this slide...we shall see

plus folks talking about him vs Charlo…he aint comfortably making 160 again either, that’s dead DEAD
 

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Man, this site is broke as fukk :wow:. I don't even know if this shyt is going to post. Canelo had a terrible game plan. His whole game plan was just walking in with wide ass Clubber Lang hooks. Nearly nothing straight and Canelo has one of the best right crosses in the game. Additionally, his boxing ability has regressed a lot over the last 4 fights. Look at the dude that fought Callum Smith, and the dude that fought Kovalev and such after. When he fought Kovalev he adopted his current walking straight in behind a high guard and looking to land one big punch style. Where's the dude that walked in behind the jab with head movement, the pull counters off jabs, the seamless transition from defense to offense? All the stuff he picked up from Mayweather after they fought? He's only 31. He can still physically do that stuff. He fell wayyyyyy too in love with his power around the Krusher fight, and got hella lazy and lax in the ring. It had been working out for him, but he got his ass beat last night. I think if the Canelo that fought Callum Smith shows up in a rematch, he could give a much better account of himself; but I'm still not sure even that version of himself beats Bivol. He barely hit dude clean all night, and when he did Bivol ate that shyt like Scooby snacks.

I would not surprised if a rematch does not even happen. It's primarily his ego and pride talking about a rematch right now. Yet, when he really reflects on this, he will know he needs to be at 168-160.
the shyt was mind boggling. Even thought the first 4 rounds were close as hell. I couldn't wrap my head around those big ass haymakers he was throwing. dude was powering up and throwing uppercuts from 10 feet out. It made zero sense. Can't remember the last time canelo looked that careless. he gave absolutely no fukks about boxing at all. and he barely even threw body punches which is pretty much his whole identity. and it's not like he didn't have opportunities. it was just a very odd performance all the way around. he showed no type of patience or composure.
 

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people just wanna discredit canelo's opponents so they don't have to give him credit if he beats them. anybody should have been able to see Bivol was the toughest opponent canelo could have faced. He had every single tool that canelo struggles with. which is exactly why I wanted him to take the PBC deal. david is still tailormade for canelo. He doesn't have the feet, defense, or the IQ that bivol does.

but there aint no shame in daring to be great. former Junior middleweight moving up to light heavy to face the best guy there. it is what it is. canelo needed to be humbled. he fell in love with his power and thought he could walk through anybody. Dude used to be a great combination puncher now he just throws one punch at a time trying to put everybody to sleep. this is the reality check he needed. He'll bounce back even stronger. I do expect him to take the rematch cause thats the type of competitor he is. Don't know if he'll win but he'll make adjustments and do better. It really comes down to conditioning. he had success early breaking through bivol's guard but all those power punches tired him out. it was just a dumb gameplan. he really thought bivol was gonna fold like the rest. this is the 2nd fight in a row where canelo looked slow and lethargic. like he was moving in quicksand. this is the worst his stamina ever looked though. he could barely even keep his hands up. he looked slow from the jump. they need to fire their s&c coach asap and get off that bullshyt vegan diet. It seemed like he had finally conquered his stamina issues too. so this is either a training issue or he's just finally getting old. But dude was stumbling all over the ring even when he wasn't being hit. Smh. Thats why i'm not even mad. if anything is gonna light a fire under him again this is it. If he doesn't come back better then he might officially be washed. but I'm guessing they didn't bother to put in the necessary conditioning work since they didn't need to lose the extra weight. shyt is inexcusable to not be able to go hard for more than 4 rounds.
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:mjlol:Absolutely everybody had Canelo as a favorite damn near. And the only reason he is jumping all these weight divisions is because he avoiding the ones where all the boxers the people WANT him to face are. The black and Mexican ones :jawalrus: Nobody wanted this fight. Nobody has wanted any of his last couple fights. Nobody wants to see him fight a 40 year old GGG again either :hhh: He more favored in this fight than the Vegas odds would have been vs Andre or Charlo or Benevedez. Stop it. He was supposed to win tonight and weight had absolutely nothing to do with it. He is a stiff power puncher whose Achilles heel is facing mobile fighters. His boxing pedigree is limited and had to rely on traps vs a SMARTER fighter. Not to mention being a proven cheat. Him jumping weight classes is him trying to cheat the system and boxing fans. :unimpressed:This isn’t daring to be great. There are plenty of fights that were considered tougher despite the outcome of him losing this one. Fighting only white fighters os not daring to be great…taking steroids wasn’t either (past or not) …It’s being a bytch and it finally backfired. Crawford and Spence are daring to be great. Shakur Stevenson dares to be great… Devin Haney dares to be great. This dude duck all the smoke to the satisfaction of gullible fans
 
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