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[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

Not true buddy. PED advantages aren't limited to knock out power. They manifest themselves in reflexes, conditioning, agility. They improve training, reduce recovery time. Mayweather is 40 years old and has looked exquisite with minor signs of slippage. Not even the natural slippage that happens to all champs. I dk son, think about it.

But even if we were going by your logic, its plausible that Mayweather has been fighting as defensively as he has been to hide his PED power. Nobody walks him down right? He hits everybody hard enough to keep them off of him right? Maybe that's where he limits the added benefit of the PED use. That and the improvements to his reflexes, conditioning, speed, agility, stamina as he "aged" from 33-40

Think you need to sign up for testing if you think Floyd improved on what you're saying he did. The Berto fight was a clear sign of him showing signs of . Hell its been on display since at least the Maidana fight he was getting caught with shots that he would usually be able to dodge, getting caught when pulling the pull counter etc

The reason Floyd looks like that at 40 is because no.1 he got blessed with genetics
no.2 he doesn't drink
no.3 he doesn't smoke
no.4 he eats clean
no.5 he stays in shape unlike some fighters that blow up between fights

I know its hard for you nikkas to believe a 40 year old can look like that but its possible if you live a clean life. If Floyd was still dropping guys easily at his age people would be calling him a PED user.. now hes not knocking guys out hes a PED user? We can't even get an accurate answer all we're getting is a bunch of 'it could be possible ' and a bunch of 'Maybe'

Your argument about him fighting defensively to hide the PED power implies that hes been doing that his entire career because defense is what hes always been about. Theres a reason they called him 'Pretty Boy Floyd' .

Its a good thing I've got 'Campfire storytellers' in the tags, it looks like they're back for Round 2 in this thread

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

If you think Floyd's reflexes, conditioning, speed, agility, and stamina has improved as he's aged, you really don't know shyt about Floyd or boxing. Berto talking about how hearing Floyd deep breathing in his ear, stealing rounds, looking up at the clock to pace himself, isn't the sign of someone with improved conditioning or stamina. The main thing Berto left away with was how sharp Floyd's mind and boxing acumen was. Unless you're willing to go down the rabbit hole that PED makes you think better, you might wanna bail out on this line of thinking moving forward.

Nobody's reflexes, conditioning, etc. stays the same as they age, but one thing you gotta factor into the Berto fight was Floyd clearly didn't put 100% into that. He went into that legit thinking it was his last fight, 4 months after pouring everything he had into the Manny fight. All he talked about in camp was how difficult it was and how tired he was.

You will see a different Floyd now than you saw against Berto. After 2 years off. He's healthy and refreshed.

 

[Champ_KW]

Nobody's reflexes, conditioning, etc. stays the same as they age, but one thing you gotta factor into the Berto fight was Floyd clearly didn't put 100% into that. He went into that legit thinking it was his last fight, 4 months after pouring everything he had into the Manny fight. All he talked about in camp was how difficult it was and how tired he was.

You will see a different Floyd now than you saw against Berto. After 2 years off. He's healthy and refreshed.

Floyd has been saying the same thing about this camp. It's taxing on his body still. And I disagree. Floyd did indeed put 100% into that fight. That's the main reason why he's 49-0. He approaches the Gatti's of the world the same way he approaches the De la Hoya's. Floyd's last hurrah was against Canelo. Every fight since that one, the slippage has been apparent.

 

[Newzz]

Its a good thing I've got 'Campfire storytellers' in the tags, it looks like they're back for Round 2 in this thread

Who's "they're"?

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Floyd has been saying the same thing about this camp. It's taxing on his body still. And I disagree. Floyd did indeed put 100% into that fight. That's the main reason why he's 49-0. He approaches the Gatti's of the world the same way he approaches the De la Hoya's. Floyd's last hurrah was against Canelo. Every fight since that one, the slippage has been apparent.

I agree with you about his approach but take his fight with Berto. He did whatever he wanted in there. First round, he was jumping in with the lunging left hook. Of course he's not at a physical prime, nowhere near. I think it was just the grind of putting your body through hell for 20 plus years taking its mental toll. I've always thought that his lack of interest was because he didn't have a foil, an equal that could realistically pushed him and got bored. He was sometimes bored in the ring and could easily coast to a ud12.

He's like, look at this doofy nikka swinging all crazy and shyt. Take this uppercut homie.

He does not fight like PBF anymore, that's sad in itself but that's what it is. He was more offensive in the berto fight than other fights of late.

I hope that he knows that he has everything to lose this fight, not just for him but his pockets down the road. To not fukk up his money with himself and his fighters down the road, he had to put on a stellar performance, like, he's going to have to try this fight as he needs to establish an air of superiority in that boxers throw hands better than MMA fighters.

 

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

Who's "they're"?

@Newzz and Mr Leoruckus

All up in this thread like the Klitschko brothers

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Conor is a lot more athletic than Maidana.

Athletic isnt really that effective in boxing, unless you are skilled. A lot or great boxers dont have athletic bodies or even look in shape for that matter. Boxing is a skill and honing those skills and techniques is far greater.

Of course it can come together and make a super fighter like RJJ. But you forget we just saw an unathletic Mikey Garcia give a clear victory over another skilled and full time boxer in Broner who is a much greater athlete.

Boxing is one of a few sports where pure technique reigns supreme. You can throw an athlete into football, basketball, etc. and they will find success far easier than in boxing. Boxing is all about the years of work. That is what McGregor's fans dont seem to understand. Floyd could lose every physical aspect of this matchup (weight, height, speed, power, etc) but he would still be light years ahead because his brain and technique can't ever be duplicated by McGregor.

 

[Newzz]

@Newzz and Mr Leoruckus

All up in this thread like the Klitschko brothers

Ok...well this post is directed towards you too then:


Lastly, quit trying to for Floyd

I've literally said in my posts that I've never heard of Floyd turning down VADA testing, and here yall go

to try and defend Floyd against a non-attack


Once again: ANY FIGHTER WHO REFUSES VADA DRUG TESTING IS A SUSPECT FOR PED USAGE.


Aint no exclusions from that. Floyd, Pacquiao, Canelo, GGG, Ward, Broner, Spence....ANY OF EM EVER REFUSE VADA DRUG TESTING, THEN THEY ARE POSSIBLE PED USERS

 

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

Ok...well this post is directed towards you too then:


Lastly, quit trying to for Floyd

I've literally said in my posts that I've never heard of Floyd turning down VADA testing, and here yall go

to try and defend Floyd against a non-attack


Once again: ANY FIGHTER WHO REFUSES VADA DRUG TESTING IS A SUSPECT FOR PED USAGE.


Aint no exclusions from that. Floyd, Pacquiao, Canelo, GGG, Ward, Broner, Spence....ANY OF EM EVER REFUSE VADA DRUG TESTING, THEN THEY ARE POSSIBLE PED USERS

There isnt that much difference between USADA testing and VADA testing (other than VADA being cheaper). VADA is better in the sense that it allows more athletes the opportunity to be tested and thus cleans up the sport. The only reason people have started bringing up VADA testing is because it came from the Mayweather-Pacquiao rivalry where Pacquiao conveniently used VADA testing in fights where he was the clear favourite.. and since Floyd has only ever used USADA people decided well USADA must be bad.

People seem to forget Conte is associated with VADA and we know his history. Bottomline is all these drug testing agencies are similar and most people dont know shyt about them they just run behind them because one of their favourite fighters is under their program. USADA has more credibility because its been around longer, of course its had its shady moments but corruption is everywhere (remember USADA isn't just boxing).

Mr Leonidas is a Pacman stan and thats just one of the money talking points they use. Mayweather vs Pac became USADA vs VADA
Pacman stan accusing Floyd of being on PEDs like his man wasn't 'scared of needles' when it came time to fight Floyd back in 2010 they should talk about how Pacmans head got bigger over the course of his career or how a guy that was getting dropped at lower weights moves up and blows people out

Tell your fighters get your pockets up and stop hating on USADA

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

There isnt that much difference between USADA testing and VADA testing (other than VADA being cheaper). VADA is better in the sense that it allows more athletes the opportunity to be tested and thus cleans up the sport. The only reason people have started bringing up VADA testing is because it came from the Mayweather-Pacquiao rivalry where Pacquiao conveniently used VADA testing in fights where he was the clear favourite.. and since Floyd has only ever used USADA people decided well USADA must be bad.

People seem to forget Conte is associated with VADA and we know his history. Bottomline is all these drug testing agencies are similar and most people dont know shyt about them they just run behind them because one of their favourite fighters is under their program. USADA has more credibility because its been around longer, of course its had its shady moments but corruption is everywhere (remember USADA isn't just boxing).

Mr Leonidas is a Pacman stan and thats just one of the money talking points they use. Mayweather vs Pac became USADA vs VADA
Pacman stan accusing Floyd of being on PEDs like his man wasn't 'scared of needles' when it came time to fight Floyd back in 2010 they should talk about how Pacmans head got bigger over the course of his career or how a guy that was getting dropped at lower weights moves up and blows people out

Tell your fighters get your pockets up and stop hating on USADA

Dude you lube up every time Mayweather's name is mentioned on here. You become quiet once his abuse to women, failed drug tests and A-side cheat codes get mentioned so stop it. I don't wanna here anything outta you again. I posted the article and @Newzz already tried to help you maggots. Their are stark differences between usada and VADA. VADA has uncovered more cheats than USADA has. And people were bringing up VADA before USADA when they noticed it was catching more cheaters.

Read the damn article and stop being a parasite. Or stay ignorant and go march with Floyd at a free speech rally.

 

[Newzz]

There isnt that much difference between USADA testing and VADA testing (other than VADA being cheaper). VADA is better in the sense that it allows more athletes the opportunity to be tested and thus cleans up the sport. The only reason people have started bringing up VADA testing is because it came from the Mayweather-Pacquiao rivalry where Pacquiao conveniently used VADA testing in fights where he was the clear favourite.. and since Floyd has only ever used USADA people decided well USADA must be bad.

People seem to forget Conte is associated with VADA and we know his history. Bottomline is all these drug testing agencies are similar and most people dont know shyt about them they just run behind them because one of their favourite fighters is under their program. USADA has more credibility because its been around longer, of course its had its shady moments but corruption is everywhere (remember USADA isn't just boxing).

Mr Leonidas is a Pacman stan and thats just one of the money talking points they use. Mayweather vs Pac became USADA vs VADA
Pacman stan accusing Floyd of being on PEDs like his man wasn't 'scared of needles' when it came time to fight Floyd back in 2010 they should talk about how Pacmans head got bigger over the course of his career or how a guy that was getting dropped at lower weights moves up and blows people out

Tell your fighters get your pockets up and stop hating on USADA

This entire post was incorrect.


Instead of me going thru, one by one and breaking it down, i'll just leave a simple :forreal: and keep it moving.


Yall need to learn about VADA, because I'm not about to go over this again. I did it a few times, and that was for the breh @ChocolateGiddyUp who was the biggest opposer of VADA testing, but I think he's even also come around to the fact that VADA is > USADA due to the fact, only VADA is out here busting these cheats. Their tests are more strict, and they catch everything. Who's the last 3 Boxers that USADA caught cheating?


Like I said, I've never heard of Floyd ever refusing VADA testing....he just picks USADA which is fine if he doesn't mind possible facing someone who's on PEDs. The problem is in those fighters who CHOOSE to not have VADA when it's brought up, and I've yet to ever hear that situation about Floyd, so I don't know what yall are trying to about

 

[Newzz]

Dude you lube up every time Mayweather's name is mentioned on here. You become quiet once his abuse to women, failed drug tests and A-side cheat codes get mentioned so stop it. I don't wanna here anything outta you again. I posted the article and @Newzz already tried to help you maggots. Their are stark differences between usada and VADA. VADA has uncovered more cheats than USADA has. And people were bringing up VADA before USADA when they noticed it was catching more cheaters.

Read the damn article and stop being a parasite. Or stay ignorant and go march with Floyd at a free speech rally.

They came attacking me even after I was defending Floyd



They just ready to pounce at any mention of his name or character

 

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

Dude you lube up every time Mayweather's name is mentioned on here. You become quiet once his abuse to women, failed drug tests and A-side cheat codes get mentioned so stop it. I don't wanna here anything outta you again. I posted the article and @Newzz already tried to help you maggots. Their are stark differences between usada and VADA. VADA has uncovered more cheats than USADA has. And people were bringing up VADA before USADA when they noticed it was catching more cheaters.

Read the damn article and stop being a parasite. Or stay ignorant and go march with Floyd at a free speech rally.

Can you please explain to us what relevance Floyd's domestic violence has in regards to Boxing? You can't do that because it has none whatsoever. Regardless of what really did happen, the man did his time in prison. The man till this day denies hitting her and asks for pictures if he really did put the beats, I'm not going to drag on with that because not only is it he-said-she-said but because it has nothing to do with boxing and no I do not cosign putting hands on women. Funny you like bringing up things that have nothing to do with boxing but when people speak on Kovalev's racism you're the first to say 'no stop guys i dont like what he says but i admire his in ring ability' . Remember you're the same black man that called me a picaninny while defending Kovalev, then you ran to daddy patscorpio when the heat got put on you. Know yourself child

@Newzz yes in recent times VADA has caught more boxers than USADA, despite that both organizations have roughly the same level of effectiveness. I see nothing wrong with a fighter choosing to not go for VADA testing if they are going through USADA/WADA or any other that has a good reputation. I'm not going to say which is better because both organizations have controversy surrounding it. We've seen with USADA the controversy surrounding Broner-Demarco (lying about results), the Morales situation, throwing out tests then giving vague reasons as to why so I can see why there is distrust towards USADA.

At the same time I can see why people don't trust VADA either. We heard Robert Garcia mention the testing when it came to Rios and how he was told to piss in a cup then it was just sent off somewhere.. makes some believe that VADA could potentially tamper with some results either way that testing was unprofessional . We've also seen that Conte is associated with VADA and that already has people suspicious especially since hes worked with fighters (I believe he still does?) , so now there are questions of whether theres a conflict of interest.

Its clear in boxing that VADA wants to push USADA out and become the drug testing agency for the sport and thats fine, I just don't like some of the bully tactics they do to get it - like 'oh if you dont test with us you must be on PEDs ' . Both do their job of cleaning sport, of course nothing is perfect but its better than nothing.

Lastly, if you don't have a problem with Floyd using USADA then why are we having this conversation? Would you be against a fighter choosing to not go for VADA if they went for USADA instead?

 

[Newzz]

Can you please explain to us what relevance Floyd's domestic violence has in regards to Boxing? You can't do that because it has none whatsoever. Regardless of what really did happen, the man did his time in prison. The man till this day denies hitting her and asks for pictures if he really did put the beats, I'm not going to drag on with that because not only is it he-said-she-said but because it has nothing to do with boxing and no I do not cosign putting hands on women. Funny you like bringing up things that have nothing to do with boxing but when people speak on Kovalev's racism you're the first to say 'no stop guys i dont like what he says but i admire his in ring ability' . Remember you're the same black man that called me a picaninny while defending Kovalev, then you ran to daddy patscorpio when the heat got put on you. Know yourself child

@Newzz yes in recent times VADA has caught more boxers than USADA, despite that both organizations have roughly the same level of effectiveness. I see nothing wrong with a fighter choosing to not go for VADA testing if they are going through USADA/WADA or any other that has a good reputation. I'm not going to say which is better because both organizations have controversy surrounding it. We've seen with USADA the controversy surrounding Broner-Demarco (lying about results), the Morales situation, throwing out tests then giving vague reasons as to why so I can see why there is distrust towards USADA.

At the same time I can see why people don't trust VADA either. We heard Robert Garcia mention the testing when it came to Rios and how he was told to piss in a cup then it was just sent off somewhere.. makes some believe that VADA could potentially tamper with some results either way that testing was unprofessional . We've also seen that Conte is associated with VADA and that already has people suspicious especially since hes worked with fighters (I believe he still does?) , so now there are questions of whether theres a conflict of interest.

Its clear in boxing that VADA wants to push USADA out and become the drug testing agency for the sport and thats fine, I just don't like some of the bully tactics they do to get it - like 'oh if you dont test with us you must be on PEDs ' . Both do their job of cleaning sport, of course nothing is perfect but its better than nothing.

Lastly, if you don't have a problem with Floyd using USADA then why are we having this conversation? Would you be against a fighter choosing to not go for VADA if they went for USADA instead?

the reason we are having this conversation is because yall came at me...even though I was defending your boy from PED slander

If VADA was brought up as a testing agent of choice by a participant, and one of the fighters refused VADA in order to demand "we dont catch boxers" aka USADA instead...then he's a possible PED user. Period.

There's no reason in the world to choose the less strict drug testing agent, unless you want a better chance of trying to cheat and not get caught

 

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

the reason we are having this conversation is because yall came at me...even though I was defending your boy from PED slander

If VADA was brought up as a testing agent of choice by a participant, and one of the fighters refused VADA in order to demand "we dont catch boxers" aka USADA instead...then he's a possible PED user. Period.

There's no reason in the world to choose the less strict drug testing agent, unless you want a better chance of trying to cheat and not get caught

My apologies

In this case though, I don't see anything wrong with choosing USADA over VADA. This is a boxing match between two of the biggest stars in MMA
USADA covers UFC drug testing