Thread on how china became a science superpower according to the economist.
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One of the main things they started doing a little over 20 years ago was just put Engineers and Scientists all over their government, their entire board at one point was nothing but Scientists and Engineers:
You couldn't earn a seat in Chinese government without being an engineer for quite some time.
Meanwhile our Congress is full of people who legit don't know how to use Wi-Fi properly.
That said, the smartest person in our Congress is Thomas Massie who's an M.I.T graduate with a BS and MS degree in Electrical Engineering, but that dude is a batshyt crazy Republican although it's funny he's anti-Israel on top of that. That guy stays going at the AIPAC and has been a straight up enemy to them.
You couldn't earn a seat in Chinese government without being an engineer for quite some time.
Meanwhile our Congress is full of people who legit don't know how to use Wi-Fi properly.
That said, the smartest person in our Congress is Thomas Massie who's an M.I.T graduate with a BS and MS degree in Electrical Engineering, but that dude is a batshyt crazy Republican although it's funny he's anti-Israel on top of that. That guy stays going at the AIPAC and has been a straight up enemy to them.
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Cap
They stole tech cause they are not beholden to copyright or patent laws
They just some reverse engineering ass mfs
They stole tech cause they are not beholden to copyright or patent laws
They just some reverse engineering ass mfs
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Also, say what you want, but they do follow through despite how much shyt people give them. This was nearly 10 years ago:
Now fast forward to today:
This guy is no Chiese shill either, in fact the opposite:
One of the reasons why if we want to move manufacturing to Mexico, we need to make sure it's done right otherwise that's going to just be a ton of pollution on our continent.
I think even that Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder said sometime recently our government's bullshyt parties/politics (Republicans) is so counterproductive and sabotages real progress which has allowed so many dictatorship governments (like China) to just fly right by in many categories. We literally had four years of anti-science and they want to bring another four-eight years more of it.
Then in the meantime you have people all on youtube and social media stateside spreading "broscience" instead and and accusing some incredible engineers and scientists who legit are at the top of their class as being DEI hires. shyt is a mess. They really can't handle the fact they aren't the star of the show so they want to sabotage everyone else. It's funny how they also say the pronoun shyt is impeding progress, no it's Republican bullshyt that impedes the most progress but half this dumbass country votes for them to take government and congress positions.
Now fast forward to today:
This guy is no Chiese shill either, in fact the opposite:
One of the reasons why if we want to move manufacturing to Mexico, we need to make sure it's done right otherwise that's going to just be a ton of pollution on our continent.
I think even that Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder said sometime recently our government's bullshyt parties/politics (Republicans) is so counterproductive and sabotages real progress which has allowed so many dictatorship governments (like China) to just fly right by in many categories. We literally had four years of anti-science and they want to bring another four-eight years more of it.
Then in the meantime you have people all on youtube and social media stateside spreading "broscience" instead and and accusing some incredible engineers and scientists who legit are at the top of their class as being DEI hires. shyt is a mess. They really can't handle the fact they aren't the star of the show so they want to sabotage everyone else. It's funny how they also say the pronoun shyt is impeding progress, no it's Republican bullshyt that impedes the most progress but half this dumbass country votes for them to take government and congress positions.
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Weird how a supposed problack site is obsessed with China all of a sudden
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Pay attention to the wording. They specify "science superpower", making a distinction between that and China being an actual superpower nation.
Black Haven
We will find another road to glory!!!
I say the same thing when I see folks post gender debates, diaspora infighting etc trying to score a hot thread off controversial topics. lol tired of seeing that ignorant shyt
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Kooley_High
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No offense but these are too many tweets. Just post the article
Gritsngravy
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Why is this so unbelievable for yall?
Have y’all not been paying attention to what’s been going on in the country?
Have y’all not been paying attention to what’s been going on in the country?
China is a country with a billion plus people , so of course they going to produce more engineers and research paper . If china wasn’t considered a threat by the U.S , they would have taken India’s place and all of these tech companies CEO would have been Chinese instead of Indian .
They steal a lot but they also build a lot. Having a centralized government with one vision has some perks. Communist governments always excelled in this area because they don't have to argue about it, it just gets done.
Over here they would be nitpicking thru budgets for years and debating the merits of some of these projects. The west is more advanced but slower to actually put tech to use for the general public
This.
Politics is in the way.
Lol at the slow people in here thinking this is about being pro China. Always with the surface level thought process.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
He’s a French Chinese propagandist. China is unstoppable, the west (America) is falling, Brics, Taiwan, Ukraine etc the whole bag .
In reality
China’s clampdown on fake-paper factories picks up speed
As part of a misconduct crackdown, Chinese funders are penalizing researchers who commission sham journal articles from ‘paper mills’, but some say the measures still don’t go far enough.Although China is producing more top-tier work, it still produces a vast amount of lower-quality science too. On average, papers from China tend to have lower impact, as measured by citations, than those from America, Britain or the eu. And while the chosen few universities have advanced, mid-level universities have been left behind. China’s second-tier institutions still produce work that is of relatively poor quality compared with their equivalents in Europe or America. “While China has fantastic quality at the top level, it’s on a weak base,” explains Caroline Wagner, professor of science policy at Ohio State University.
This is like shopping for Chinese products, you can find them at different price ranges, and they come in different levels of qualities. There are indeed paper mills in China and low quality research works, which is also a well known issue in China
Even if we dismiss half of all Chinese STEM graduates as cheats and unqualified for their jobs, China still has twice as many qualified graduates as the US, then you have to consider that many graduates from US universities are Chinese nationals, too.
China’s clampdown on fake-paper factories picks up speed
As part of a misconduct crackdown, Chinese funders are penalizing researchers who commission sham journal articles from ‘paper mills’, but some say the measures still don’t go far enough.
www.nature.com
This the same China where most academic papers are thrown out?
Here's another Economist article from this year: Fake Research?!
China cracks down after investigation finds massive peer-review fraud | Science | AAAS
China having among the most retracted papers in the world last year:
More than 10,000 research papers were retracted in 2023 — a new record (nature.com)
More than 10,000 research papers were retracted in 2023 — a new record
The number of articles being retracted rose sharply this year. Integrity experts say that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
www.nature.com
And my favorite video on the subject
