Thread on Government Shutdown: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OFFICIALLY REOPENED!

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:ohhh: I see you dont get how I favor our current system over Obamacare, and you want proof of how its better.

:ld:My fault. I'll explain.

I simply don't find the cost to my freedom to be worth the gain. Thus I see the change, as a change for the worse.

Its a simple weighing of cost vs benefits.:manny:
Trolls going to troll...:manny:
 

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Any republican who allows Obamacare to go through does not know history.

History shows when the democrats introduce a new entitlement they rule for years.
This shutdown is not about the future of the country but the future of the republican party.

In a way I kind of support it.

We need 2 competitive parties.
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D.C. Republicans Hate Obamacare, but GOP Governors Have Learned to Love It
Executives in Democratic states have almost all embraced the Affordable Care Act's Medicaid expansion -- and seen their political fortunes improve.
Molly Ball Oct 2 2013, 10:18 AM ET


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Chris Christie of New Jersey is one of the Republican governors who have embraced the federally funded expansion in some form. (Carlo Allegri/Reuters)
Republicans in Congress, you may have heard, are determined to stop Obamacare. So determined are some of them that they allowed the federal government to shut down when their efforts to stop the Affordable Care Act failed. But some Republican governors have a different view: Increasingly, they’re turning to a controversial part of Obamacare to save them politically.

The latest was Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett, a dismally unpopular Republican who’s up for reelection next year. After months of insisting his state wouldn’t agree to expand Medicaid — a component of health-care reform that the Supreme Court made optional for states — Corbett suddenly flipped last month, announcing that Pennsylvania would negotiate with the federal government to accept the expansion money through a modified program.

If his plan is approved, Corbett would become the 10th of the 30 GOP governors to take advantage of the Medicaid-expansion funds made available by Obamacare — up from just four at the beginning of this year. Perhaps not coincidentally, most of the others are also vulnerable incumbents seeking reelection in 2014.

Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, for example, was damaged in his home state by a divisive battle over right-to-work legislation last December. A poll in June had Snyder trailing Democrat Mark Schauer by 4 points. But last month, after a heavy lobbying effort of his own party in the state legislature, Snyder got a Medicare expansion passed in Michigan. A subsequent poll put Snyder 8 points ahead of Schauer. “I think certainly the success of Medicaid expansion was a boost for him among independents and maybe even some Democrats,” pollster Bernie Porn told MLive by way of explaining the surge.

The governors up for reelection next year were all elected in the 2010 Tea Party wave, many in states — like Michigan and Pennsylvania — that went on to vote for President Obama by wide margins in 2012. Now, their reelections hinge on their ability to win votes beyond the GOP base in a year when the Tea Party fervor has cooled substantially.

For many, the Medicaid expansion appears to offer such an opportunity. Though red-state conservatives like Texas Governor Rick Perry have resisted it as an expensive federal encroachment -- potentially leaving thousands uninsured who are too poor to qualify for health-care exchange subsidies but too well-off to qualify for standard Medicaid -- the expansion is initially 100 percent paid for by the federal government. Even in strongly Republican states where Obamacare is viewed unfavorably on the whole, the idea of expanding Medicaid is popular: One recent poll had 60 percent favoring the expansion in Georgia, though Republican Governor Nathan Deal has refused it.

The expansion gives Republican governors in Democratic states a point of collaboration with legislators, creating a benefit for their constituents at no cost to the state, at least at first. Two Southwestern Republicans with Democratic legislatures, Nevada’s Brian Sandoval and New Mexico’s Susana Martinez, were the first to embrace the expansion. In New Jersey, another strongly Democratic state, Republican Governor Chris Christie signed a budget expanding Medicaid this year, though he vetoed a proposal to make the expansion permanent.

Blue-state governors with Republican legislatures have had a trickier time. Ohio Governor John Kasich and Florida Governor Rick Scott would like to join the ranks of Medicaid-expanding Republicans, but both have been blocked by their own party in their respective legislatures. Kasich has stormed the state to make the case for expansion -- “We need this program to treat and help the working poor get comprehensive health care,” he told a Cleveland-area audience in mid-September -- and as he has done so, his approval ratings have climbed to their highest level since he took office. Scott’s embrace of Medicaid was shot down by Florida lawmakers, and he remains unpopular. But a poll over the summer put his approval rating above 40 percent for the first time in his governorship.

Another GOP governor in an Obama state, Iowa’s Terry Branstad, worked with both parties in his legislature to pass a modified Medicaid expansion; he is favored for reelection. Maine Governor Paul LePage, on the other hand, has vetoed expanding Medicaid in his state, which went for Obama by a 15-point margin; LePage is brutally unpopular, and recent polls have him losing if he seeks reelection. In fact, there’s only one Republican incumbent in an Obama-voting state who’s favored in 2014 despite unequivocally rejecting federally funded Medicaid expansion: Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.

The Cook Political Report rates Walker’s reelection “likely,” and a recent set of polls showed him leading every prospective Democratic opponent by 4 to 7 points. But if Walker suddenly finds himself trailing, he wouldn't be the first to change his tune on Medicaid — and reap the political rewards.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...gop-governors-have-learned-to-love-it/280182/
 

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Hyundai to defer payments due from US government staff
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The US is a key growth markets for South Korean carmaker Hyundai Motor
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Hyundai Motor will defer payments due from US federal employees affected by the partial government shutdown.

More than 700,000 employees face unpaid leave due to the shutdown which was triggered after the two houses of Congress did not agree on a new budget.

Hyundai said affected employees who currently own its vehicles will be given a payment relief "for as long as they are out of work".

Employees looking to buy a new car will be given a 90-day payment deferral.

"We recognize the impact on family budgets that the furlough will drive," John Krafcik, chief executive of Hyundai Motor America, said in a statement.

Backing customers
Hyundai had offered a similar scheme, the Hyundai Assurance programme, during the peak of the global financial crisis four years ago to help consumers who had lost their jobs.

Many analysts have said that the move had helped the South Korean firm win customer loyalty and boosted its sales in recent years.

The company said that its latest offer to help the federal employees was an addition to that programme and aimed at "helping workers at a time when they most need it".

"Like we did almost four years ago when we launched Hyundai Assurance, this is our way of saying 'We've got your back' during this uncertain time," Mr Krafcik said.

Under the latest offer, Hyundai will extend all auto loan and lease payments during the shutdown for current Hyundai owners who are put on unpaid leave.

The programme is available to all customers who have financed their purchase or lease through Hyundai Finance America.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24361142

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@Liquid why are you responding to this clown....he's one of those guys who is posting precisely because thecoli is so lax about the impracticality ratio we allow.
:ehh: I actually like their opinions, it's good to look at anothers person's perspective. The problem is most people on the coli(HL are extremely liberal). So hearing someone with a more center / right pov is like blasphemy. Whether they're trolling or not remains to be seen, but it's not like there isn't a descent proportion of the country that thinks along lines of @DEAD7 and @Kritic are getting / "trolling" at..

With that said more often than not I tend to skip over their post, because I don't have the time nor patience to read all that jargon atm.....
 

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This garbage again :wow: @Brown_Pride you can take this one, I can't even respond to this anymore.
you know my stance. I only see someone with a differing opinion. :manny:
I don't like it, i don't support it, i think it's based in some bullshyt, but ultimately that's representitive of what we're going to up against. Shoving our heads in the sand and pretending they don't exist is silly.

Also, if we remove everyone with differing opinions the we'll all just be standing here like:


is that what we really want

*(fyi this isn't a response to you more just a response in general to "cleaning house".)
 

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:ehh: I actually like their opinions, it's good to look at anothers person's perspective. The problem is most people on the coli(HL are extremely liberal). So hearing someone with a more center / right pov is like blasphemy. Whether they're trolling or not remains to be seen, but it's not like there isn't a descent proportion of the country that thinks along lines of @DEAD7 and @Kritic are getting / "trolling" at..

With that said more often than not I tend to skip over their post, because I don't have the time nor patience to read all that jargon atm.....
That's exactly how I am.

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I still havent heard a good reasonable argument as to why a person should be fined by the federal government for not purchasing a private product
your sound like those "independents" in 07 who were looking for a reason to vote for barack..

them ppl'll just make sh1t up and you'll buy it.

they make sh1t up all the time. and yall keep falling for it all the time. like damn. how yall grown ass mens and live with yourselves falling for this sh1t over and over again. yall like my ex's believing my lies when i want to smash...
 

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Any republican who allows Obamacare to go through does not know history.

History shows when the democrats introduce a new entitlement they rule for years.
This shutdown is not about the future of the country but the future of the republican party.

In a way I kind of support it.

We need 2 competitive parties.
I see what you mean, but the fact is that they're playing with 800,000+ people's lives just for an attempt to gain political posture. People are absolutely furious with the Republican Party ATM. There is a reason that Hilary is already the heavy favorite in 2016. Mid year elections might get ugly for them.
 

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Except car insurance isnt regulated by the federal government... again I have yet hear logical argument as to why the FEDERAL government can fine those who do not purchase a private product

So you would be fine if the state did it ?
 

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Except car insurance isnt regulated by the federal government... again I have yet hear logical argument as to why the FEDERAL government can fine those who do not purchase a private product
As if there is a difference? :rudy: Now you're just arguing semantics. In terms of government intervention and in the context of your argument, federal and state government are synonymous.
 
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