Thread on Government Shutdown: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OFFICIALLY REOPENED!

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The problem with your statement, is that too many people you are conflating socialized healthcare with universal healthcare. I have certain problems with the bill myself, but if your initial point is a semantics game then you're usually not in a good spot. Universal healthcare simply means healthcare for everyone in a society. So, if it achieves it's desired result, universal healthcare will occur. Second, it is a mix of socialized and private insurance. A big part of that involves modification to medicare. But that's another discussion.
Its not a semantics game and I am quite clear about the differences between all of the terms being bandied about. It is true that too many people tend to purposely obfuscate the term "universal healthcare" with "single payer healthcare" as a way of manipulating their bases. Dems love the "universal healthcare" moniker because it makes their base look at the ACA as some wonderful bill sent from the heavens to make sure everyone gets health care just like in England and Canada while Repubs us the term "universal healthcare" to rile up their base over the specter of evil Commie socialist medicine taking over the good old US of A. So to me the correct use of words is important because people on both sides of this issue would be better able to discuss this subject if the correct terminology was used.
And calling it a mix of "socialized and private insurance" is misleading too because it makes people think that the government will be footing the bill for everyone's health insurance (instead of that only being the case for those below a certain income level who will qualify for tax credits, partial subsidies, or coverage under expanded Medicade) when in actuality the combination basically breaks down to private companies providing the insurance based on rules set by the government.
 

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Proof of the ACA being worse...you know, those things called facts. Don't worry, I'll wait.

"I don't like the government telling me what to do.." is the best you could come up with?!

So what do you plan to do in regards to the government running your life and telling you how to spend your hard earned money? Surely you have a plan. I mean on the day you decided to wake up and pick one thing from the vast list of things your government demands of you, what followed had to be a historic plan of action.

I'm incredibly interested in seeing how much further you're going to continue to side step my original comment and your reply.
I answered you directly :what:

I said "no", its too late for that obamacare is rolling out whether like it or not...





I get it. You want the government running your life, you like being a slave to big government... cool. That doesnt mean those of us that value our freedoms and liberties are wrong... :aicmon:






All that aside, your argument is basically show me that unicorns fart gold dust.
Obamacare has never existed, and there is no way for anyone to know for sure EITHER way what the overall effect will be. Resting your argument on that is idiotic, but I respect it.:obama: You essentially cant be proven wrong til its too late.:obama:
 

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two things in the ACA that I actually like (the no pre-existing condiions rule and allowing parents to keep their kids on into their mid-20s) could have been done as signing statements to any number of bill that has come across the President's desk without turning into a giant pay day for the insurance industry.
Stop. I'd prefer single-payer healthcare too than this, but it's pretty silly when people say this. The insurance companies deny people with pre-existing conditions not because they're evil, but because they're businesses with bottom lines, and that's why I'm not for for-profit healthcare, at least not without a public option to compete with it.

But that being said, they can't afford to cover pre-existing conditions and keep people on their parents' coverage without an influx of new, healthy insured people paying in. Health insurance companies are not balling like banks. The average annualized profit margin of health insurers is like 6%.
 
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right, another typical dodge and shift to something else tactic by a troll.

You are now dismissed.
of course expect you to come with a stupid conclusion like that without responding to my post. and so long as you get 5 daps you feel like you came out on top.
 

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@Liquid why are you responding to this clown....he's one of those guys who is posting precisely because thecoli is so lax about the impracticality ratio we allow.
 

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I answered you directly :what:

I said "no", its too late for that obamacare is rolling out whether like it or not...



I get it. You want the government running your life, you like being a slave to big government... cool. That doesnt mean those of us that value our freedoms and liberties are wrong... :aicmon:





All that aside, your argument is basically show me that unicorns fart gold dust.
Obamacare has never existed, and there is no way for anyone to know for sure EITHER way what the overall effect will be. Resting your argument on that is idiotic, but I respect it.:obama: You essentially cant be proven wrong til its too late.:obama:


You did not answer me directly. You made a claim that the ACA is worse than our current system and any universal healthcare system. I asked you to provide some facts to your claim, you replied to me about the government running your life (the same nonsense you're still talking about).

So if there is no way for anyone to know for sure, how did you come to your original conclusion that ACA is worse?

Me and the unicorns who fart gold dust are still waiting....
 

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You did not answer me directly. You made a claim that the ACA is worse than our current system and any universal healthcare system. I asked you to provide some facts to your claim, you replied to me about the government running your life (the same nonsense you're still talking about).

So if there is no way for anyone to know for sure, how did you come to your original conclusion that ACA is worse?

Me and the unicorns who fart gold dust are still waiting....
:ohhh: I see you dont get how I favor our current system over Obamacare, and you want proof of how its better.

:ld:My fault. I'll explain.

I simply don't find the cost to my freedom to be worth the gain. Thus I see the change, as a change for the worse.

Its a simple weighing of cost vs benefits.:manny:
 

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Any republican who allows Obamacare to go through does not know history.

History shows when the democrats introduce a new entitlement they rule for years.
This shutdown is not about the future of the country but the future of the republican party.

In a way I kind of support it.

We need 2 competitive parties.
 
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