This quote from Karl Marx should be read by every black man and woman in America.

[boogers]

The United States wasn't built like that when Marx was alive.
There weren't even any COLONIES in the US when Marx was alive.
"America" is bracketed.

@I Really Mean It You ain't slick

karl marx died like 20 years after the civil war breh what are you smoking

like he died literally at the start of the industrial revolution and modern capitalism, wtf lol

fool ass



btw i owe you a neg

YOU fukked up

 

[Mike Nasty]

But slavery was abolished in 1865, and America kept on going?

 

[RehReh]

Fun fact he's buried around the corner from me

 

[African Peasant]

But slavery was abolished in 1865, and America kept on going?

Slavery was the primitive accumulation of capital.

After extracting wealth from slavery and flippng it into industrial capitalism, slavery wasn't needed anymore.

It was the ignition.

 

[jj23]

Book should be recommended reading. Speaks primary of the benefits of slavery to the British empire, but parallels can also be drawn against that to America.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

I'm reading a book on the links between Capital and Race right now, and it's very interesting.

It's essentially saying that Marx apparently correctly identified the birth of "America" (and colonial domination) as foundational for capitalism, but didn't explicitly put 1492 as the beginning date, but rather much later with the expropriation of land from British farmers (Enclosures) in the XVIIIth century.

So there seems to be this whole debate spanning the XXth century to this day, between traditional marxists and dissidents, about the beginning of capitalism and how important racism is for its creation and maintenance. The tradition, especially among abolitionist marxists and other marxists of color, insists on just that, and it seems like this perspective is gaining prevalence.

I didn't know the intricacies of the whole class reductionism debate, but it is not recent at all.

 

[MostReal]

Be a socialist brehs

 

[I Really Mean It]

karl marx died like 20 years after the civil war breh what are you smoking

like he died literally at the start of the industrial revolution and modern capitalism, wtf lol

fool ass

didn’t even bother responding to that dumb shyt. i even mentioned the date of the quote in my post.

 

[I Really Mean It]

Book should be recommended reading. Speaks primary of the benefits of slavery to the British empire, but parallels can also be drawn against that to America.

EVERYONE was eating off of our labor. white people in all social classes, from the cook on a slave ship to the owner of an insurance company, were feasting on the wealth confiscated from the centuries of forced labor our ancestors performed.

and that money didn’t just stay in the us; it circulated throughout europe. it was a slave-centered economic paradigm that reshaped the world into a racial hierarchy that exists to this day, and black people remain at the very bottom of it.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Thats basic fukking history, not rocket science.


America was a slave/penal colony first

 

[boogers]

Fun fact he's buried around the corner from me

i would be way too tempted to pee on it. communism killed, starved, imprisoned, and economically enslaved hundreds of millions of people. it would be a privilege. i am in no way a capitalist, fukk karl marx

i never understood why people stick to IDEOLOGIES. take the good parts from an idea and put them into use. design a system where people are treated fairly for what they do, and can live good lives and respect one another. a system of fair play where hard work is rewarded, not exploited. racism isnt uniquely american but modern american capitalism has made it so much worse.

EVERYONE was eating off of our labor. white people in all social classes, from the cook on a slave ship to the owner of an insurance company, were feasting on the wealth confiscated from the centuries of forced labor our ancestors performed.

and that money didn’t just stay in the us; it circulated throughout europe. it was a slave-centered economic paradigm that reshaped the world into a racial hierarchy that exists to this day, and black people remain at the very bottom of it.

yep. its so ingrained in us that even the way our brains process information has embedded bigotry. like the common parlance of calling chicken thighs and legs "dark meat" and breasts "white meat." victorian england was so fukking racist that racism was more acceptable than referring to a titty or a leg or anything sexual in any form! 'white meat' not 'breast' - its so insidious and evil jesus man

i gotta go to bed but shyt like this keeps me up at night

 

[frankster]

Slavery & The Rise of Capitalism​

 

[Mister Terrific]

I'm reading a book on the links between Capital and Race right now, and it's very interesting.

It's essentially saying that Marx apparently correctly identified the birth of "America" (and colonial domination) as foundational for capitalism, but didn't explicitly put 1492 as the beginning date, but rather much later with the expropriation of land from British farmers (Enclosures) in the XVIIIth century.

So there seems to be this whole debate spanning the XXth century to this day, between traditional marxists and dissidents, about the beginning of capitalism and how important racism is for its creation and maintenance. The tradition, especially among abolitionist marxists and other marxists of color, insists on just that, and it seems like this perspective is gaining prevalence.

I didn't know the intricacies of the whole class reductionism debate, but it is not recent at all.

If slavery was the “foundation of capitalism” why didn’t Ancient Rome, China or Spanish America, Songhai Empire or the Mongol Empire transition to free market economy? Colony literally comes from the Ancient Greek “Apoikia”

Ancient Rome is estimated to be 1/3rd slave where as America was about 10-20% of the population.

Marcus Crassus probably had thousands of human chattel under him, didn’t make him invest in new technology or innovate. In fact the common response to an excess of slaves for the Roman Empire was more conquest. Korea was essentially a slave society with as much as 70% of the population slaves during the Joseon dynasty.

I do agree that the rise of capitalism and industrialization spelt the end for slavery as it was no longer able to compete with paid labor, I don’t see any evidence the expansion of the institution under the trans Atlantic slave trade was tied to it.

Also there was a fervent moral opposition to slavery. This revisionism that the civil war and British abolition of slavery were not moral conflicts and simple economic was taught to our parents and is very much in line with lost cause revisionism.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Nah it's just you "fukk liberals" fake militant coli niccas that need a reminder of this.

Black political movement, especially in America, has always been deeply rooted in classica egalitarian, Marxist, and socialist thought.

Yet OP and the rest of his set be the main ones pushing that "black people are actually more conservative" bullshyt.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

If slavery was the “foundation of capitalism” why didn’t Ancient Rome, China or Spanish America, Songhai Empire or the Mongol Empire transition to free market economy? Colony literally comes from the Ancient Greek “Apoikia”

Ancient Rome is estimated to be 1/3rd slave where as America was about 10-20% of the population.

Marcus Crassus probably had thousands of human chattel under him, didn’t make him invest in new technology or innovate. In fact the common response to an excess of slaves for the Roman Empire was more conquest. Korea was essentially a slave society with as much as 70% of the population slaves during the Joseon dynasty.

I do agree that the rise of capitalism and industrialization spelt the end for slavery as it was no longer able to compete with paid labor, I don’t see any evidence the expansion of the institution under the trans Atlantic slave trade was tied to it.

Also there was a fervent moral opposition to slavery. This revisionism that the civil war and British abolition of slavery were not moral conflicts and simple economic was taught to our parents and is very much in line with lost cause revisionism.

I don't understand your question or your points.

Because something is foundational to another thing doesn't mean it'll necessarily lead to it.

For example, the common tale is that the development of agriculture was foundational to the creation of cities (and hierarchies). That doesn't mean it always led to it. Many peoples were invested in agricultural activities but did not build cities. That doesn't take away from the fact it can be considered as foundational when they did indeed build them.

Also, Marx and marxists are talking beyond the transatlantic slave trade. I said 1492. When Christophe Colomb pulls up to the continent looking for gold, takes the lands from the Natives for its resources and enslaves them for their labor, leading to their rapid genocides. This is what is debated as the beginning of capitalism.