This perfectly illustrates what the Democratic Party is all about.

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Of course, many of you are disingenuous. Acting as if Democrats have magic powers and can just snap their fingers and make things happen but are choosing not to.


@Payday23 Bringing up Dems could have codified Roe v Wade from 1973-1981 when there was a TON of conservative/anti-abortion Democrats in Congress back then, Nixon & Ford being President for half of that time. The ERA couldn't even get ratified. Just ridiculous :mjlol:
Another case of Democrats not thinking ahead. Continue with the playbook though.


Privately, Nixon told top aides that while he feared the ruling could encourage sexual promiscuity, he believed abortions should be available in certain circumstances, such as for pregnancies resoluting from incest or interracial relationships.

Mary Ziegler, a law professor at Florida State University who studies abortion, believes that the Senate probably had a bipartisan majority that supported abortion rights when Roe was decided, but advocates did not feel a pressing need to pass legislation.

“It seemed to be kind of like overkill, because at the time, the abortion rights movement trusted the courts to protect abortion rights for some time,” Ziegler told The 19th.

During the 1976 presidential campaign, both Republican Gerald Ford and Democrat Jimmy Carter opposed abortion in some cases. That year Congress for the first time approved the Hyde Amendment, which bars using federal dollars for most abortions, including in the government’s Medicaid health insurance program.

More Democrats than Republicans voted for for it, handing abortion rights opponents their first post-Roe victory. But some of those Democrats did so because it seemed like abortion rights were settled law and the Supreme Court would step in when it was challenged, according to Ziegler.

“There were some Democrats and progressives who voted for the Hyde Amendment in part because they thought the Supreme Court would invalidate it — it was part of an appropriations bill, so if you liked other stuff in the appropriations bill, that was fine, because the Supreme Court would take care of it,” Ziegler said



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When it starts to take too long, you see the Democratic Party essentially saying: Well, we’re not going to worry about this, we’ll get to this later,” Ziegler said.

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Richards said that when she got to Planned Parenthood in 2006, the Democratic Party was still recruiting congressional candidates who did not support abortion rights. The organization “really worked hard to establish that it was a fundamental right, and that it was something that the Democratic Party needed to lead on.”

Abortion rights advocates found an ally in then-Sen. Barack Obama, who told Planned Parenthood early in his Democratic White House bid that “the first thing I’d do as president” would be to codify Roe by signing the latest iteration of the Freedom of Choice Act. But four months into his presidency, Obama said it was “not my highest legislative priority” and suggested energy would be better spent reducing unintended pregnancies.

But Democratic differences on abortion threatened to derail Obama’s namesake health care law. With Republicans united in opposition, Democrats could not afford to lose a single senator, and Ben Nelson, an anti-abortion Democrat from Nebraska, was the final holdout. To win his support, party leaders included a version of an amendment that prohibits Affordable Care Act plans from covering abortion, which was originally offered by another anti-abortion Democratic representative, Bart Stupak of Michigan. To appease opponents, Obama also issued an executive order reiterating that federal money would not be used to pay for abortions. Meanwhile, abortion rights advocates tried to take solace in the fact ACA plans would cover contraception.





Democrats constantly give up the cake just to get the crumbs
 

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how would anyone have optimism and faith in america's future when people like you in the name of purity are more than willing to cede power to republicans to prove a point that the status quo is worse than allowing republicans to do their thing.
How's that any different than the Democratic party giving up what they want passed to Republicans who don't support it so they drop the entire issue or water it down to where it rarely has an impact long term.
 
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It’s funny how the biggest establishment proponents are also the biggest nihilists And have no optimism and faith.


The absolute hard as diamond resolve to refuse to even entertain the thought of anyone other than Republicans, Progressives, or people disengaged from politics for being the reason why the quality of life for so many millions of people erodes year after year is what gets me most about some of these dudes.

They got it all figured out and everyone else is either crazy, stupid, or both.
 

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That sounds good, but once again it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. And you missed the point again.


If someone asks you for money and votes, but they do nothing they said they were going to do….. and they keep asking for you to give money and vote. At what point are you going to get tired of their bullshyt?
why do you think I said that I understand what she's saying? :unimpressed:

Not tryna let dems off the hook, I dont understand how folks believe that the Dems. Should be able to get sweeping legislation passed when the senate and Supreme Court are just going to vote based on party lines and block any of their proposed bills.


As if Trump, McConnell and "middle American' voters aren't the reason why we're at the point that we're at.
I will say the Dems are doing their constituents a disservice by ignoring the progressive wing of the party.



Also The real issue with her argument is that attempting to codify roe vs wade means that it still would've had to go through judicial review thru the Supreme Court with respect to the constitution. And the SCOTUS hasn't been realiably liberal since the 60s. And Biden has stated that he doesn't even want to expand the SCOTUS

So long story short, even if the dems had congress and the 60 needed in the senate, there's no guarantee that roe v wade wouldn't be overturned.

And Biden has stated that he doesn't even want to expand the SCOTUS. I don't know why because I could see a guy like Trump doing it If need be :snoop::francis:
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You got so angry this thread got angry faces that you flew into TLR and posted your bullshyt. Maybe there's a better place for you to operate. You are clearly surrounded by dumb folks in HL according to your comments.

Go where you will be happy.


Yo I just checked out that thread and the anger and insecurity is next-level. :laff:

The radical extremist gun-nut I took apart yesterday hate-posted so hard he was practically crying but was too shook to @ me so he was forced to just allude to shyt instead.
 

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Could is such a useless term when the folks weren’t elected to do that.

I saw white women crying over Roe on Friday and twerking on boats with Trump flags flying on Saturday.

American voters aren’t serious. :mjlol:
 

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I agree with her; what the fukk have the Dems been doing since 1973? Just fundraising rather than trying to pass legislation


This 100%. The corp. wing of the Dem party doesn't want to fix anything, because then they'd no
longer be able fundraise off that issue. Meanwhile, crypt keeper Pelosi was campaigning HARD for a Pro Life
conservative in Texas. They are willing accomplices.
 

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I believe the entire working class of this nation could move to support working-class issues if we saw them more and not these dorks we currently fawn over. All of em too, the Bushes, Clintons, OBamas, Bidens, Reagans etc. We saw it happen for a long time in this country and then those dorks took over and pushed back.

It doesn't start at the electoral level though. It starts with unions and communities and finding that we all tend to agree on these issues, but the dorks up top aren't interested in changing things unless we force it.


Because we are humans. I am not going to live my life as nihilist who excepts that pain is the status quo. We can get better. Think of better to do better.
Over here in the real world republicans are actively making people lives worse

Democrats are not.

Biden has been very pro union his time in office.

Blaming democrats is just dumb. They aren’t out here restricting healthcare rights, voting against policies to relieve the baby formula shortage, making it easier for people to have guns etc
 

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This 100%. The corp. wing of the Dem party doesn't want to fix anything, because then they'd no
longer be able fundraise off that issue. Meanwhile, crypt keeper Pelosi was campaigning HARD for a Pro Life
conservative in Texas. They are willing accomplices.
Didn’t the house pass a bill to codify abortion rights that failed in the senate?

 

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Over here in the real world republicans are actively making people lives worse

Democrats are not.

Biden has been very pro union his time in office.

Blaming democrats is just dumb. They aren’t out here restricting healthcare rights, voting against policies to relieve the baby formula shortage, making it easier for people to have guns etc
In your real world, you told us inflation wasn't a thing and would correct itself.

You don't know what you are talking about.
 

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I wish people would stop cutting the clip and play the rest of her statement. She said some shyt people really need to hear.

"When it comes down to the primaries... We need to get as many people to the polls as possible to vote for more progressive Democrats. We need to get the old white Democrats out of office and put in new younger people who will actually defend the rights of women and people all over this country, and then when it comes to mid terms we need to make sure we have those same people who voted for the progressive people in the primaries coming back to the midterms and voting again and making sure that these more progressive Democrats get into office and can actually make the change that we need."

Damn well that don’t fit OPs agenda.

Somebody go post this in his TLR thread :mjlol:
 
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