This next Thor movie gonna be the last one I watch in theaters

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I mean...isn't that what spell books are for? Instructions on how to do stuff, summon stuff, project stuff? :russ:

They didn't explain how Stranged used to 'good book' to defeat Thanos without giving up the stone in 838 either. He refererd to the book and it gave him what he needed to do what needed to be done. How or why that needs a detailed explanation is beyond me.
Good point. lol
 

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I feel the fatigue, its prob why i enjoyed the batman so much. While they are still theater films i just dont care about day one much (outside of thor because Taika and BP cause i wanna see how they handle that situation without being spoiled).Ill see em when i see em.
 

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Why did Pym select Scott Lang? That was rather arbitrary and never explained. And how did Pym know he would eventually go back to a life of crime? And know he would turn back to crime in a timely manner to stop his adversaty from putting pym tech in the wrong hands? All thises movies have a level of lacking logic because they are fantastical stories that defy logic and reality.
All of Wanda's motivations are due to being corrupted by the Darkhold. And this option to go to a universe where she is dead and her kids are alive is kinda dumb. The first movie is about how using sorcery to manipulate what is to be is outlawed and/or frowned upon. THE BILL COMES DUE, ALWAYS. I think replacing a dead mother in another universe would fall under that category. Training America was not an option in her eyes since she is being corrupted by an evil book. But yes her sending those monsters as goons on her behalf was never explained how it was done and how dhe learned to do it.

It's very easy to answer your Ant Man questions using the storytelling logic they put in the movie or was easily known by the characters.

1. Why did Pym select Scott Lang? Scott Lang has an engineering degree from MIT. He needed a very smart patsy. He didn't chose him to succeed him. He only initially chose him to steal the other suit.......even if you didn't know about the degree they made it very clear that Lang was capable mechanically and very good as a thief which is what Pym needed. It's in the movie that he set up his house as a test to see if Lang could actually steal the other suit. It's not arbitrary. Pym deadass says it to Scott. Directly.

2. How did Pym know he would eventually go back to a life of crime? I know plenty of ex-convicts, who when stuck in a tough spot, will go back to crime. There's literal studies on it in this country. That's not a risky bet for Pym to take. If Scott didn't bite he could've tried another thief, but Scott bit. It's not unreasonable for a guy, who just got out of prison, wants to see his daughter, and the baby mom won't let him because of child support, can't get a legit job because of his past, to choose to go back to crime. That's not even a small leap. The entire prison system traps black men in this cycle all of the time. Just google repeat offender statistics. In the end, the ONLY reason Scott didn't end up in jail, as it was Pym's plan for him to be a patsy, was because his wife's cop husband vouched for him.

3. How would turn back to crime in a timely manner to stop his adversary? I don't completely understand this question, but it seems to be a question of timing. You're saying the timing was awfully convenient, but it wasn't Pym pushing Scott's timing. It was Scott's ex wife PLUS he wanted to see his daughter. He couldn't see her until he was paying child support. Both his wife and her cop husband was on his ass about that.

None of those questions were logic defying. I didn't even have to look the movie up to know the answers to those, but I know it's all in the movie. You didn't have to google nothing. You didn't have to watch any What Ifs or Disney+ shows.

BUT if you're saying all of her motivations are due to being corrupted by the Darkhold then ENDING of the fukking movie doesn't make sense. Why?? Because they SHOWED us what happens to people who are corrupted by the Darkhold via evil Strange. Evil Strange was not capable of the moral turn that happened with Wanda at the end. They literally made it up as an option to end the movie because they made her too strong and couldn't figure out a way to end it otherwise.......BUT do you want to know why going to a universe where the kids are alive and the mother is dead isn't dumb? Because Wanda stumbled upon that giant LOGIC problem at the climax of the movie when she saw the kids were scared of her. If she's going to be their mom in another universe then she has to take herself out. If you think replacing a dead mother would be bad how frowned upon, how do you think it would be received if she killed herself in another universe? That's what would literally need to happen for her insane plan to work. If she wasn't already dead in a universe she would need to murk herself.......Also, regarding the monsters, it's not explaining how she's able to control the power itself, it's the logic that the power implies. The power to control those monsters implies she already has the power to affect multiverses.... fukk. I'm just thinking about this. She USED America's power to transport Strange to Evil Strange's universe so she doesn't even need to steal it from America OR kill her for it. Just borrow it a little bit which is again something that could've been solved with a conversation over coffee. Corruption doesn't mean stupid.

You can say you enjoyed the movie. I enjoy fast and furious movies, but I also say they're dumb as shyt. I don't defend the logic of a car in space like you're trying to defend this movie. It's terrible lazy writing. I hope they don't do this same shyt to Black Panther 2.
 

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It's very easy to answer your Ant Man questions using the storytelling logic they put in the movie or was easily known by the characters.

1. Why did Pym select Scott Lang? Scott Lang has an engineering degree from MIT. He needed a very smart patsy. He didn't chose him to succeed him. He only initially chose him to steal the other suit.......even if you didn't know about the degree they made it very clear that Lang was capable mechanically and very good as a thief which is what Pym needed. It's in the movie that he set up his house as a test to see if Lang could actually steal the other suit. It's not arbitrary. Pym deadass says it to Scott. Directly.

2. How did Pym know he would eventually go back to a life of crime? I know plenty of ex-convicts, who when stuck in a tough spot, will go back to crime. There's literal studies on it in this country. That's not a risky bet for Pym to take. If Scott didn't bite he could've tried another thief, but Scott bit. It's not unreasonable for a guy, who just got out of prison, wants to see his daughter, and the baby mom won't let him because of child support, can't get a legit job because of his past, to choose to go back to crime. That's not even a small leap. The entire prison system traps black men in this cycle all of the time. Just google repeat offender statistics. In the end, the ONLY reason Scott didn't end up in jail, as it was Pym's plan for him to be a patsy, was because his wife's cop husband vouched for him.

3. How would turn back to crime in a timely manner to stop his adversary? I don't completely understand this question, but it seems to be a question of timing. You're saying the timing was awfully convenient, but it wasn't Pym pushing Scott's timing. It was Scott's ex wife PLUS he wanted to see his daughter. He couldn't see her until he was paying child support. Both his wife and her cop husband was on his ass about that.

None of those questions were logic defying. I didn't even have to look the movie up to know the answers to those, but I know it's all in the movie. You didn't have to google nothing. You didn't have to watch any What Ifs or Disney+ shows.

BUT if you're saying all of her motivations are due to being corrupted by the Darkhold then ENDING of the fukking movie doesn't make sense. Why?? Because they SHOWED us what happens to people who are corrupted by the Darkhold via evil Strange. Evil Strange was not capable of the moral turn that happened with Wanda at the end. They literally made it up as an option to end the movie because they made her too strong and couldn't figure out a way to end it otherwise.......BUT do you want to know why going to a universe where the kids are alive and the mother is dead isn't dumb? Because Wanda stumbled upon that giant LOGIC problem at the climax of the movie when she saw the kids were scared of her. If she's going to be their mom in another universe then she has to take herself out. If you think replacing a dead mother would be bad how frowned upon, how do you think it would be received if she killed herself in another universe? That's what would literally need to happen for her insane plan to work. If she wasn't already dead in a universe she would need to murk herself.......Also, regarding the monsters, it's not explaining how she's able to control the power itself, it's the logic that the power implies. The power to control those monsters implies she already has the power to affect multiverses.... fukk. I'm just thinking about this. She USED America's power to transport Strange to Evil Strange's universe so she doesn't even need to steal it from America OR kill her for it. Just borrow it a little bit which is again something that could've been solved with a conversation over coffee. Corruption doesn't mean stupid.

You can say you enjoyed the movie. I enjoy fast and furious movies, but I also say they're dumb as shyt. I don't defend the logic of a car in space like you're trying to defend this movie. It's terrible lazy writing. I hope they don't do this same shyt to Black Panther 2.
Not trying to write a novel about this but I will just say:
3. Pym's entire motivation was to stop Yellowjacket from selling his tech to nefarious organizations. There was a time crunch to stop that from happening. So he had to pick the right guy, count on him going back to a life of crime AND do it in time to be trained to be Antman in order to do the heist before Yellowjacket sold the Pym tech. Kinda of a big leap IMO.

And yeah, just like I said earlier you thinking it was "terrible lazy writing" isn't something I agree with or have to. But that seems like an absolute fact to you so why continue discussing? We are at an impasse.
These type of movies I give more leeway than most to not make complete realistic sense because they aren't trying to be realistic. I like both Antman 1 and MoM and probably Antman slightly more due to better character development. And I say they both have story points that are suspect. But it doesn't mean I don't like the overall movie.
 

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I don't even remember the las one I saw in theaters, I think it was Joker, there's too many advantages to watching at home.
 

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Me too. I'll be back for the X-Men. MCU feels like rocafella at the end when everyone got a chain. Just too much content now. It's looking shaky and the backlash been amplifying
 

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The only phase 4 movie i didn't like was the Eternals :yeshrug:
The D plus shows have been hit or miss but I like F&WS, Loki, and What if.
The movies are all building to the collapse of the multiverse.
 

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A "wrap" is definitely a cyse. :mjlol:

They just need to do some different shyt with their characters as well. That's all.

Why would they though? And I'm saying this as someone that didn't like "No Way Home".

They have a formula, they make billions of dollars off of it. It would be like expecting McDonald's to change up. It's not gonna happen.

And honestly 'Loki", "Wandavision", and the latest Strange movie were different. But they ain't gonna change up too much. It is what it is at this point.

Fred.
 

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Why would they though? And I'm saying this as someone that didn't like "No Way Home".

They have a formula, they make billions of dollars off of it. It would be like expecting McDonald's to change up. It's not gonna happen.

And honestly 'Loki", "Wandavision", and the latest Strange movie were different. But they ain't gonna change up too much. It is what it is at this point.

Fred.

because everything does wear itself out if you don't diversify. the Netflix joints were a good change of pace from the movies in tone/setting.

real interested to see what they do with DD. If they goofy it up or make it more PG13 than Mature/R like the Netflix joints.

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