This Myth That LeBron James Makes His Teammates Better.......

[Born2BKing]

So getting more touches means you're a better player now?

Lol, I thought it was common sense. These dudes are hilarious man.

 

[FTBS]

shaq, odom, pau all had their best season in the league with Kobe
wade and bosh have had much better seasons without lebron




go checks the stats


then go sit down

They were all pretty much the same guy that they always were. They all had comparable output before they teamed with Kobe. They all also happened to be in their respective primes while playing with Kobe. If Kobe didn't play with Pau until the last couple of years would you be suggesting that he made him worse? Did he make Nash and Howard worse this year?

 

[Swagnificent]

He doesn't make them better stats wise, but he definitely makes the game easier for them, no question.

yea...he makes them all jump shooters

and if their shot if off they're in danger of getting eliminated

I always thought the style the Heat played was too risky for the playoffs. To win multiple championships you need multiple guys who can get their own shot.

With D-Wade being now and with Bosh reduced to a 3 point shooters, Heat only got one now. They are in danger of being beaten by the Pacers or Spurs. They won't be a dynasty playing this way.

 

[Swagnificent]

Kobe> Bron


but as a black man why are assist the measuring standard and all good when it comes to Steve nash....but it is marginalized when a black man does it? #c00ns up in this thread

and the funny thing is Kobe's supposed to be the selfish player yet his teammates always have their best statistical seasons with him and Bron is supposed to be unselfish but all his teammates suffer statistically with him

like I said anyone whose watched Bron play for most of his career knows he's a ball pounder......just like CP3 and all those other PGs who get those inflated assist numbers

 

[Swagnificent]

It's not about lebron as much as it is the whole "makes his teammates better" stuff is an essentially worthless basketball cliche that doesn't mean much other than "he demands a double team and gets otherwise marginal players open shots occasionally"...but gets used as some mystical abstract attribute that functions like a cheat code in a videogame...and selectively applied in arguments to denigrate or glorify players based on preconceived notions...Melo loses against the pacers in the prior round and it's largely because "he didn't make his teammates better"...I think the Heat will end up beating the Pacers and beat the Spurs in the Finals, but if they don't...the talking point won't be how Bron failed to make his (already far superior teammates respective to Melo's) teammates better...it'll be how they failed him...and depending on his personal play, what he didn't do

What I will kind of say that's a more Lebron-centric type thing, is how the status/perception of players he plays with seems to be diminished instead of raised and the resulting deficit going to Bron's greatness...whereas we see in the case of a guy like Pau went from being an unsung marginal one time all-star, to being hailed as "the best big in the league" the moment he was traded to the Lakers and paired with Kobe....wade went from a top 3 in the entire league to little more than simply Bron's second option...and Bosh went from allstar big scorer big, to basically just a role player

I think this is because LeBron is horrible at playing off the ball as a superstar. He needs the ball and he needs it for 20 of the 24 seconds. As a result, he reduces most of his teammates to role players. Basically the only way LeBron can be successful is to be the only guy dominating the ball. Kobe on the other hand can play both on the ball and off the ball. How many times you see Kobe tell his teammates to post-up Pau on the wing? He does it many times especially when Pau has it going.

The only time LeBron has never been the focus of his team was 2011 and we all saw how he pouted and fizzled in the finals. He's basically forced the Heat to cower to his will. And now they're basically a glorified version of the Cavs. Because he's reduced all his teammates to jumpshooters, he now has to live or die by their jumpers when playing great defensive teams like the Pacers.

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

Lakers fans have nothing better to do than troll at this point of their worthless season

KG made his teammates better in Minnesota and didn't win shyt. He went to Boston and did any of their stats improve? No. Did he stop making teammates better?

Don't be fukking retarded. Kobe is what he is but he's never had a complete game like LeBron and never will. Even when LeBron ends up with 3 titles, you Kobe stans will only hold on to his rings. Enjoy the best basketball player you will see while he's playing. I don't see any vets taking smaller contracts to go play with Kobe, but for some reason, these guys got no problems taking less to play with Bron Bron.

How many players from the OP have done shyt since not playing with LeBron? Stop being ignorant and stay in a Lakers off season thread. You guys can start a petition not to amnesty bean or something.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

It's a myth that he's an elite on ball defender as well.

Now this is true....I disagree with the thread tho.

 

[Ohene]

Dont forget Andrew Bynum and Earl Clark as well





But, I dont even wanna turn it into a LeBron vs Kobe thread.


I'm just tired of hearing how LeBron makes his teammates better.......but all his teammates best seasons are WITHOUT him



This myth has to stop.

You put the best player in the league on every team and obviously their numbers go down ...this is especially true when the player does everything possible on a stat sheet.

So if Lebron goes from Miami to the Bobcats and starts putting up 40 a game...are we going to say that Kemba or Kidd-Gilchrist make players better than Lebron does?

Why am I even saying this...the board's already been trolled

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I think this is because LeBron is horrible at playing off the ball as a superstar. He needs the ball and he needs it for 20 of the 24 seconds. As a result, he reduces most of his teammates to role players. Basically the only way LeBron can be successful is to be the only guy dominating the ball. Kobe on the other hand can play both on the ball and off the ball. How many times you see Kobe tell his teammates to post-up Pau on the wing? He does it many times especially when Pau has it going.

The only time LeBron has never been the focus of his team was 2011 and we all saw how he pouted and fizzled in the finals. He's basically forced the Heat to cower to his will. And now they're basically a glorified version of the Cavs. Because he's reduced all his teammates to jumpshooters, he now has to live or die by their jumpers when playing great defensive teams like the Pacers.

 

[MikelArteta]

:crack:

 

[NYC Rebel]

Lakers fans have nothing better to do than troll at this point of their worthless season

KG made his teammates better in Minnesota and didn't win shyt. He went to Boston and did any of their stats improve? No. Did he stop making teammates better?

Don't be fukking retarded. Kobe is what he is but he's never had a complete game like LeBron and never will. Even when LeBron ends up with 3 titles, you Kobe stans will only hold on to his rings. Enjoy the best basketball player you will see while he's playing. I don't see any vets taking smaller contracts to go play with Kobe, but for some reason, these guys got no problems taking less to play with Bron Bron.

How many players from the OP have done shyt since not playing with LeBron? Stop being ignorant and stay in a Lakers off season thread. You guys can start a petition not to amnesty bean or something.

These aren't Lakers fans, b

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I think this is because LeBron is horrible at playing off the ball as a superstar. He needs the ball and he needs it for 20 of the 24 seconds. As a result, he reduces most of his teammates to role players. Basically the only way LeBron can be successful is to be the only guy dominating the ball. Kobe on the other hand can play both on the ball and off the ball. How many times you see Kobe tell his teammates to post-up Pau on the wing? He does it many times especially when Pau has it going.

The only time LeBron has never been the focus of his team was 2011 and we all saw how he pouted and fizzled in the finals. He's basically forced the Heat to cower to his will. And now they're basically a glorified version of the Cavs. Because he's reduced all his teammates to jumpshooters, he now has to live or die by their jumpers when playing great defensive teams like the Pacers.

Naw I think he plays good enough off the ball...and has developed a good enough of a post game that he's clearly the heat best post option...the thing with him and wade I think comes down to them playing a similar game, Lebron being the better player, wade being intermittently hampered by injuries...so why not play the game as Bron, the best player on the team and in the league, dictates it and feels most comfortable...it's a pretty easy decision...so while yeah there's implications to that on how it affects other players (wade and bosh are reduced as players individually), you get players that fit that style of play (the various 3pt mercanaries the Heat currently employ)...and the heat have done that...and proved they can win that way....I don't want to get into non-sensical kobe-hater territory where we're condemning and indicting his style of play after every loss, as if it hasn't been proven you can win with it...it's all a matter of just going out on the floor and getting it done

Also I think "glorified version of the cavs" is hardly an insult at all...those cavs teams were leading the league in wins and favored to win the ship in the couple years before Bron left...the team was tailor fitted around Bron's skill set and preferred style of play, but because they never got it done in the playoffs it's been rewritten as some doomed piece of crap team...

 

[#StarkSet]

They were all pretty much the same guy that they always were. They all had comparable output before they teamed with Kobe. They all also happened to be in their respective primes while playing with Kobe. If Kobe didn't play with Pau until the last couple of years would you be suggesting that he made him worse? Did he make Nash and Howard worse this year?

i didnt realize bosh was washed up

 

[FTBS]

i didnt realize bosh was washed up

I didn't say or imply he was. My point was that...you know exactly what my point was. Nice try though.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Kobe Stan's are the worst