This Myth That LeBron James Makes His Teammates Better.......

[Victim of Racism]

Himself. I'd be shocked if he was still playing like this at the end of the year.

So, his teammates are playing poorly because they're just not good enough and they need Lj's help to raise their level of play, but Lj's problem is that he's getting used to the system?

 

[Victim of Racism]

because we know he can flip the switch when it matters. The other guys cant so he's proving a point.....

If this were true, they wouldn't have a losing record. If this were true, he wouldn't have gotten punked by Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, and J.J. Barea in the 2011 Finals and Kawhi in the 2013 and 2014 Finals.

 

[Texas2step]

It keeps the spot up shooters from having to create their own shot, so yea it simplifies the game for that player and keeps the offense in sync. I never said Lebron was the only player that creates these opportunities.

Say for instance Lebron draws Tristan Thompson's man further away from him to block a lane to the basket, that frees up Thompson to catch down low for an open dunk or to grab an offensive board if a shot comes off. Defining roles for your teammates with your playing style simplifies what they have to do on the court. I think that makes Lebron's teammates better so you can agree or disagree, it dont matter. Its convenient to up this thread after Lebron had a bad game.

Ok I understand that but that is what they are designed to do. There is only one ball and all 5 players can't be deeply involved in an offense. It is part of the offense so it doesn't necessarily makes them a better player. I mean when someone sets a pick for Lebron, are they making him a better player by giving him a better opportunity to score? it is just part of the offense

I think the problem is people all of sudden believe Lebron to be this great leader and winner when that is just not the case. (The Cavs) A Lebron lead team lacked mental toughness and had immaturity issues. He did not have those issues with the Heat mainly because he co-lead with already made champion. When he was the leader on the Cavs, he often shrunk in big moments during those years and arguably it continued when he was on the Heat. In all of his finals, he only had one good finals performance and that was the year they beat OKC but the rest he played poorly even the year they beat the Spurs. He really only played great in game 5 & 7 that finals because that was the finals when they was backing off of him daring him to shot and he was timid not like a winner

 

[ghostwriterx]

@Microfracture....I see you viewing this thread, what you gotta say breh?


I know you watching all the games and dont see anything LeBron is doing to make an impact on Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson, Varejao, or Love. They are playing like they always play and LeBron just stands around the perimeter watching them.........unless he has the ball, and then he creates or drives.


That's not conducive with playing with a Kyrie Irving, who's also use to running the offense and being ball-dominant (as he should, being that he's the natural PG anyways).

Are we sure Kyrie is a natural pg?

 

[ghostwriterx]

The down right truth to this thread is the fact that Bron SERIOUSLY NEEDS to be in complete control of the offense to be able to put his imprint on it, if not, you are minimizing what he can do . He could EASILY fix this by working on playing without the ball like Wade did (Wade has led all guards in scoring off of off the ball cuts over the last 4 years, and 4 seasons prior to Bron being there) but if he aint got the rock he aint gone do shyt and that's why I never liked his game. Its a MUST that everybody he plays with has to adjust their games to play with him, while he will not adjust anything to play with them. Kyrie is a good enough ballhandler to get Bron good looks, but Bron would rather do it himself. K Love is a good enough passer to get Bron good looks, but Bron would rather do it by himself.

I don't know rather to call it a bad thing or just a situational thing cause it got Miami 2 rings, but I don't think that Heat team ever MAXIMIZED their talents because of this issue. Its kinda hard to comprehend if you are not a hardcore bball watcher, but its something that is very visible.

Curious what you think that would/should have looked like?

 

[Newzz]

Are we sure Kyrie is a natural pg?

Yep.

 

[Jplaya2023]

The down right truth to this thread is the fact that Bron SERIOUSLY NEEDS to be in complete control of the offense to be able to put his imprint on it, if not, you are minimizing what he can do . He could EASILY fix this by working on playing without the ball like Wade did (Wade has led all guards in scoring off of off the ball cuts over the last 4 years, and 4 seasons prior to Bron being there) but if he aint got the rock he aint gone do shyt and that's why I never liked his game. Its a MUST that everybody he plays with has to adjust their games to play with him, while he will not adjust anything to play with them. Kyrie is a good enough ballhandler to get Bron good looks, but Bron would rather do it himself. K Love is a good enough passer to get Bron good looks, but Bron would rather do it by himself.

I don't know rather to call it a bad thing or just a situational thing cause it got Miami 2 rings, but I don't think that Heat team ever MAXIMIZED their talents because of this issue. Its kinda hard to comprehend if you are not a hardcore bball watcher, but its something that is very visible.

In order for Lebron to reach his potential he's needs specialist all over the court with him.

3pt specialist
defensive specialist
etc
etc

Wade had to adjust his game to lebron, and bosh had to become rasheed wallace on detroit but it worked for them.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Curious what you think that would/should have looked like?

Not gone to game 7's with the likes of the 2012 celtics who were flabbynsick, 2013 pacers, 2013 spurs.

Not lose to the mavericks in the finals, or be vaselined by the spurs last year.

That team should've loss no less then 3 playoff games per year over the last 4 seasons

 

[ghostwriterx]

Not gone to game 7's with the likes of the 2012 celtics who were flabbynsick, 2013 pacers, 2013 spurs.

Not lose to the mavericks in the finals, or be vaselined by the spurs last year.

That team should've loss no less then 3 playoff games per year over the last 4 seasons

Now you're talking results though, you seemed to be alluding to the "success" of the offense before. At any rate. 08 Celtics went to a game 7 in the first round against Atlanta and Cleveland with Lebron playing like sh*t. 09 Lakers went to a game 7 against a Rockets team without Yao. Sh*t happens. They got to 4 straight finals and went back to back. If we're saying they "underachieved" because they didn't win 4 straight...

Heat were a flawed team to begin with (no size) and once Wade's athleticism dropped off they became vulnerable. Their defense got raped by San Antonio, not sure what that has to do with LeBron's offensive game.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Yep.

I think you're the only one breh. Always looks like he's playing 1 on 5 to me.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Funny how @Newzz was on the Cavs wagon in mid-July, now that they lost 2 of 3,
he's back to his old ways.

These #LWO posters in Cleveland ain't loyal

 

[Newzz]

Funny how @Newzz was on the Cavs wagon in mid-July, now that they lost 2 of 3,
he's back to his old ways.

These #LWO posters in Cleveland ain't loyal

Why do yall keep trying to tell me who I got love for


I dont fukk with LeBron James....simple as that. He's a great player, but I just dont fukk with his style of play.


Rooting for the CAVS success is something I have always done since I was a baby and will always do (I would love for them to win the 'Ship), but like I said back in July....dont think that because LeBron is back in Cleveland, that im gonna change my stance on him and his game


And I didnt

 

[Newzz]

Now, let's see what he can do with Kyrie Irving who's already a 2x All-Star and best individual season was 23 ppg, 6 apg, 4 rpg, 1.5 stls, and 45% FG:


Is he gonna make him better like the GAWD Kobe would (because countless players have had their best individual seasons alongside Kobe, including Shaq/Gasol/Bynum/Oden/Walton/Parker/Hill/Meeks) or is this gonna be another case of LeBron playing alongside ANOTHER player and watering him down again like he did Wade and Bosh


I'll be a first-hand #witness to that this upcoming season

@Captain_Crunch....I posted this IN this thread on July 17th, 2014...the day LeBron returned http://www.thecoli.com/posts/9272572/

This thread is the TRUTH and has yet to be proven wrong. Again:

What teammates has he made better?

This myth has been going on forever, but the FACTS are that nobody he's played with (players of note) have had their best seasons playing alongside LeBron James.

Carlos Boozer? Best seasons were with Deron Williams
Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Best season was in 2003.....before LeBron
Ricky Davis? Best season was in 2003...before LeBron
Larry Hughes? Best seasons were with Gilbert Arenas
Ben Wallace? Best seasons were with Chauncey Billups
Delonte West? Best seasons were with Paul Pierce (and with Gloria )
Mo Williams? Best seasons were with Michael Redd in 07 and 08
Antawn Jamison? Best seasons were with Gilbert Arenas
Shaq? Best seasons were with Kobe
Hell, Anderson Varejao? Best seasons were after LeBron left
Dwyane Wade? Aint been the same since LeBron came to South Beach
Chris Bosh? Aint been the same since he left Toronto. Went from putting up 24 and 10 to putting up 16 and 6


LeBron stan: Bu-bu-bu-bu-but Wade is washed up, Bosh sucks, Chalmers is garbage, Ray Allen is too old, Cole World is Ice Cold, we dont have no bench LeBron needs help! We have a worse roster than the 2007 - 2010 Cavs



Every other logical NBA Fan: But he's playing with 3 other HOFers and he supposedly makes his teammates better



Now, let's see what he can do with Kyrie Irving who's already a 2x All-Star and best individual season was 23 ppg, 6 apg, 4 rpg, 1.5 stls, and 45% FG:


Is he gonna make him better or is this gonna be another case of LeBron playing alongside ANOTHER player and watering him down again like he did Wade and Bosh


I'll be a first-hand #witness to that this upcoming season


Facts are Facts.


Dont kill the messenger.....kill the myth

What has changed, except Im being proven right as usual

 

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