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sometimes war is needed, and it's always been the case from the beginning of the time. However war is not nice, we all sit back in the comfort of our homes for the most part not affected.

However I think war should be a last resort, you can't just go in and then go out,
 
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thekingsidiot's original source has some relevant information if anyone is up for a read. They put down hard facts that some of you may be interested in. It wouldn't surprise me if it's an arm of a military apparatus. Just to keep in mind as you're reading.

http://www.debka.com/article/23218/The-sarin-shells-fired-on-Damascus---by-Syrian-4th-Division’s-155th-Brigade---were-followed-by-rockets-on-Israel-and-car-bombings-in-Lebanon-

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Debka doesn't put facts at all cause they don't provide any. They create the scenario( the background) but won't provide the proof for it. This is Israel....they brought the WMD lies to Iraq. Creating war is what they do...since the creation of the state. Im not surprised you even took my post seriously until you saw Israel on it.
 
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Debunking the "U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government's Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013"

Eric Draitser
StopImperialism.com


The document entitled “U.S. Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons on August 21, 2013”, released in tandem with public statements made by Secretary of State John Kerry, is merely summary of a manufactured narrative designed to lead the US into yet another criminal and disastrous war in the Middle East. Having been released prior to even preliminary reports from UN chemical weapons investigators on the ground in Syria, the document is as much a work of fiction as it is fact.

It begins with the conclusion that “The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013.” Naturally, one would immediately wonder how such a conclusion was reached when even the expert investigators on the ground have yet to conclude their own study. If these experts with years of training in the field of chemical weapons, toxicology, and other related disciplines, have yet to make such a determination, it would seem more than convenient that the US has already reached this conclusion.
Moreover, based on its own admissions as to the sources of this so-called “intelligence”, very serious doubt should be cast on such a dubious government report. The document explains that:

These all-source assessments are based on human, signals, and geospatial intelligence as well as a significant body of open-source reporting…In addition to US intelligence information, there are accounts from international and Syrian medical personnel; videos; witness accounts; thousands of social media reports from at least 12 different locations in the Damascus area; journalist accounts; and reports from highly credible non-governmental organizations.

First and foremost, any critical reading of this document must begin with the notions of “human intelligence” and “witness accounts”. Such terminology indicates that the US is simply basing pre-conceived conclusions based on rebel sources and the much touted “activists” who seem to always be the sources quoted in Western media reports. Secondly, it is obvious that US officials have cherry-picked their eyewitness accounts as there are many, from both sides of the conflict, which directly contradict this so-called high-confidence assessment.

As reported in the Mint Press News by Associated Press reporter Dale Gavlak, Syrians from the town of Ghouta – the site of the chemical attack – tell a very different story from the one being told by the US government. Residents provide very credible testimony that “certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.” What makes such testimony even more compelling is that it comes from anti-Assad Syrians, many of whom have seen their children die fighting Assad’s forces. One of the Ghouta residents described his conversations with his son, a fighter tasked with carrying the chemical weapons for the Nusra Front jihadi group, who spoke of Saudi-supplied weapons being unloaded and transported. His son later was killed, along with 12 other rebels, inside a tunnel used to store weapons.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan seen here commiserating with his fellow war criminal George W. Bush. Prince Bandar earned himself the nickname "Bandar Bush" because of his close friendship with both George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush as well. Educated in the US, Bandar has long been understood to be the intermediary between Washington and Riyadh.


It is essential to also dispute the very notion that “social media reports” constitute credible evidence to be used in making a case for war. It is a long-established fact that US and other intelligence agencies are able to manipulate twitter, Facebook and other social media in whatever way they see fit. As the Guardian reported back in 2011:

The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda…each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history, and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations ‘without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.’


Essentially then, the United States is using social media, a system over which they have control, to justify their pre-fabricated war narrative. Additionally, the idea that videos constitute a shred of evidence is laughable. As any investigator can tell you, videos are easily manipulated and, even if they are untouched, they cannot be used to assess the culprit of a crime. Videos merely show what is visible, not the underlying motives, means, and opportunity – all part of genuine investigation.

Finally, one must feel serious apprehension at the idea of journalist reports as being part of this pastiche called a “high confidence assessment,” for the simple reason that Western coverage of the conflict in Syria is mostly coming from journalists outside the country or those already sympathetic to the rebel cause. Whether they are paid propagandists or simply convenient tools used as mouthpieces of the corporate media, their reports are highly suspect, and certainly should have no role in shaping war-making policy.

It is critical to examine the “intelligence information” referred to in the assessment. It would seem that, according to the document itself, much of the case for war is based on human intelligence. Many news outlets have reported that the entire case against Assad is being based on an intercepted phone call provided to US intelligence by none other than the Israelis. Israel, with its long track record of fabricating intelligence for the purposes of war-making, is not exactly a neutral observer. As one of the principal actors in the region calling for the overthrow of the Assad government, Tel Aviv has a vested interest in ensuring a US intervention in Syria.

The ardently pro-Israel FOX News reported that:
The initial confirmation that the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad was responsible for a chemical weapons attack Aug. 21 came from a tip from the Israeli intelligence service…a special unit of the Israeli Defense Force – an intelligence unit that goes by the number 8200…helped provide the intelligence intercepts that allowed the White House to conclude that the Assad regime was behind the attack.

It would seem rather convenient that one of the primary beneficiaries of a war to topple Assad would be the primary source of the sole piece of evidence purportedly linking Assad to the attack. If this strikes you as at best a flimsy pretext for war, you would be correct.

The assessment also outlines the way in which Washington arrived at its conclusion that Assad carried out the attacks. The document states:
We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weapons attack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that the scenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The body of information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about the attack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between the capabilities of the regime and the opposition.


In analyzing the above excerpt, it should be immediately clear to anyone who has been following events in Syria closely, that this conclusion is based on faulty premises and outright lies. First, the idea that it is “highly unlikely” that the chemical attack was carried out by the opposition is an impossible assertion to make given that there is abundant evidence that the “rebels” carried out chemical attacks previously. As the widely circulated video showing rebels mounting chemical weapons onto artillery shells demonstrates, not only do they have the capability and delivery system, they have a significant supply of chemicals, certainly enough to have carried out the attack. Moreover, the multiple massacres carried out by Nusra Front and other extremist rebel factions demonstrates that such groups have no compunction whatsoever about killing innocent civilians en masse.
 

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You're exactly why this thread was made. You dismiss it with a few words as if you're describing the color of the sky.



So when are you enlisting/getting commissioned and joining the infantry to go help those adults and children out yourself?
Ok.

I'm too old to enlist. But just to add, it doesn't look like you are doing anything more than me to help them out.
 

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1. U.S. used Agent Orange( Chemical Weapon) in Vietnam, Laos and Thailand
2. U.S. gave Iraq chemical weapons....killed hundred of thousands....
3. U.S. bombed Fullejah with Chemical Weapons in Iraq 2004
4. Israel used White Phosphorus( Chemical Weapon) in Operation Cast Lead in 2009.
Where do you get your sources?

1. Yes, Agent Orange was used. That was before my time. The long-tem effects of Agent Orange were unknown but the short-term effects were nothing like mustard gas and other banned chemical munitions.
2. Iraq obtained chemical munitions from the former country of East Germany.
3 . The US didn't use chemical munitions in Fallujah.
4. It was Hamas that fired a white phosphorous shell into Israel.
 
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Where do you get your sources?

1. Yes, Agent Orange was used. That was before my time. The long-tem effects of Agent Orange were unknown but the short-term effects were nothing like mustard gas and other banned chemical munitions.
2. Iraq obtained chemical munitions from the former country of East Germany.
3 . The US didn't use chemical munitions in Fallujah.
4. It was Hamas that fired a white phosphorous shell into Israel.

1. 400,000 people died off A.O.( Monsanto Company's Monster) and Long Term Effects are Parkinson's Disease, Cancer, Heart Disease and worse. You truly haven't seen the today pictures of the victims and their families that were effected.... http://www.ehow.com/facts_5201375_long_term-effects-agent-orange.html

Pics of Agent Orange Victims...

Agent-Orange-dioxin-skin-damage-Vietnam.jpg


220px-Agent-orange-dead-deformed-babies.jpg


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2. U.S. gave Saddam directly....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/us-gave-iraq-intel-ignored-chemical-attacks_n_3817868.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/

3. I don't know where you get your facts from but they aren't real. Both White Phosphorus and Depleted Uranium was used..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uring-assault-on-city-of-fallujah-514433.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq
http://www.alternet.org/world/falluja-babies-and-depleted-uranium-americas-toxic-legacy-iraq
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/06-5

I won't show those Iraqi Children because the effects are far worse to post here.


4. Again you provide no proof on your statements..
http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...ite-phosphorus-gaza-clear-undeniable-20090119
 

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1. 400,000 people died off A.O.( Monsanto Company's Monster) and Long Term Effects are Parkinson's Disease, Cancer, Heart Disease and worse. You truly haven't seen the today pictures of the victims and their families that were effected.... http://www.ehow.com/facts_5201375_long_term-effects-agent-orange.html

Pics of Agent Orange Victims...
Agent-Orange-dioxin-skin-damage-Vietnam.jpg


220px-Agent-orange-dead-deformed-babies.jpg


59446490-agent-orange.jpg


2. U.S. gave Saddam directly....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/us-gave-iraq-intel-ignored-chemical-attacks_n_3817868.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/

3. I don't know where you get your facts from but they aren't real. Both White Phosphorus and Depleted Uranium was used..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uring-assault-on-city-of-fallujah-514433.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq
http://www.alternet.org/world/falluja-babies-and-depleted-uranium-americas-toxic-legacy-iraq
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/06-5

I won't show those Iraqi Children because the effects are far worse to post here.


4. Again you provide no proof on your statements..
http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...ite-phosphorus-gaza-clear-undeniable-20090119
Well, I can see that you are anti-American.
 

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No just don't try to debate when you don't have shyt to go on but your made up statements. Troll somewhere else.

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Oh, is that the way it is? You talk like a crazy. Those people who drive around in cars with a billion political bumper sticker all over... that's you. UFOs and Chemtrails and 9/11 conspiracy B.S.




Man... whatev's...
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Ok.

I'm too old to enlist. But just to add, it doesn't look like you are doing anything more than me to help them out.


how old are you because i've seen 33 yr olds with no prior years of service in bootcamp....
 
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