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[Adeptus Astartes]

War is politics. The UK lost the 'political will' after Yorktown to continue fighting the American colonists. The UK lost the political will to send more redcoats down to South Africa after the First Boer War.

Political will =/= military prowess, tech, and ability to project power, which is what OP was talking about.

America CAN be fukked with and is reaching the water's edge with respect to its military might.

Socially, yes. Militarily? By who? Russia is showing itself to be a paper tiger. China hasn't been battle tested since Korea and can't project power.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

*AHEM*

Now, sir...didn't your momma tell you to not tell lies?

Compare South Korea to North Korea. Mao told US he was gon push them off the peninsula and had to settle for a failed state that China wastes billions trying to stay afloat while South Korea is a world leader.

Saddam got owned twice.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

A big American myth, that especially American conservatives in the lead up to Reagan liked to say, is that we fought in Vietnam with one hand behind our backs.

That isn't a myth since Vietnam was never declared a 'war'. As such, 'one hand' was tied.​

America had 500,000 soldiers in Vietnam, dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than it dropped on Japan during WW2, spent over 1 trillion USD in today's money in Vietnam, invaded Laos and Cambodia and you're still saying you didn't try.

Numbers aren't equivalent for comparison since WW2 lasted 4 years for America while Vietnam was 8. ~500k troops was ONE year. The remaining years varied from 300k down to <200k.

WW2 cost 4 TRILLION in today's money.​

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Compare South Korea to North Korea. Mao told US he was gon push them off the peninsula and had to settle for a failed state that China wastes billions trying to stay afloat while South Korea is a world leader.

Saddam got owned twice.

Can you tell me, in your heart of hearts, that America won the Korean War and North Korea no longer exists today, as was the war aim of Gen. MacArthur in 1950?

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Political will =/= military prowess, tech, and ability to project power, which is what OP was talking about.


Socially, yes. Militarily? By who? Russia is showing itself to be a paper tiger. China hasn't been battle tested since Korea and can't project power.

You can have all the hi-tech weaponry in the world, but if the image of a dead American soldier in Mogadishu makes you squeamish, you're yellow-bellied and will lose wars.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Political will =/= military prowess, tech, and ability to project power, which is what OP was talking about.


Socially, yes. Militarily? By who? Russia is showing itself to be a paper tiger. China hasn't been battle tested since Korea and can't project power.

This isn't true. China fought Vietnam in 1979.

I'm speaking with military history AMATEURS and TODDLERS!

 

[Savvir]

Nazi Germany killed more Soviets than the Soviets killed of them. Still lost to the Soviets.

Uh.... Germany lost to the entire allied force not just Russia

You nikkas really need to study history

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

That isn't a myth since Vietnam was never declared a 'war'. As such, 'one hand' was tied.

Numbers aren't equivalent for comparison since WW2 lasted 4 years for America while Vietnam was 10. ~500k troops was ONE year. The remaining years varied from 300k down to <200k.

WW2 cost 4 TRILLION in today's money.​

You're like a Soviet citizen in 1970. You believe all the propaganda you learned in school and so your perception of reality is off-base. And then, when actual, historical events confront you - you just lie and obfuscate.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Yeah, it's a clear disconnect from reality or a lack of actual information. Especially in Vietnam, they rushed into it based on public sentiment and political scheming and disregarded concerns from actual military minds regarding terrain and the environment. This caused more problems than the actual enemy, they couldn't even use half the assets available and they still managed to murder millions while losing a fraction of their own. Well within the acceptable loss margins but again, it was I'll planned and the public wasn't prepared for it and they collapsed on the politicians.

Imagine your favorite team showing up to play for the Championship wearing the wrong gear, a game plan on a napkin, and their own fans booing them and still dropping 50 on the scoreboard before quitting at halftime.

You can recognize America's scumbaggery and still maintain logic. Brehs acting like they have to choose between being a cheerleader or an idiot.

The last war the American public actually got on code on so.e 'nah we gonna fukk these nikkas up' was WW2 against the Japanese, and we all know how that went.

I get what his perception is though. America fukked up by staying in some of these places too long. We have taken massive L's strategically in some areas(economically mostly this country would be so prosperous had we never went into Iraq), but tactically you may bloody our nose at first... maybe hasn't always happened, but eventually we will figure you out and we'll beat you as far as fighting you on the ground. The Ukrainian military is only fighting the Russians as well as they are because we have been training them for the better part of the last decade and they are using our tech. Before we trained them their military was a fukking joke, now they are putting up a real fight to the worlds second most powerful military.

The Russia-Ukraine war Is actually interesting to me because I want to see whose strategy will win out in the end. Russia and China, and a few other countries strategy has always been to just throw bodies at a problem until it goes away. That may work against weaker poorly equipped foes who you outnumber, but will that work against a highly trained and very well armed opponent who knows when, where, and how you are coming? Because that is what is happening in Ukraine right now. This is the closest proxy war to a full scale war between the two doctrines of warfare between near peer militaries. No military quite fights like the US, historically we do not just throw bodies at everything that isn't our style. How this war is going is telling me everything I need to know about how the eventual war in the seas and countries around China will go, because make no mistake Japan aint rebuilding it's military and South Korea isn't talking about acquiring nukes for no reason; there are gonna be 5 countries China will be at war with not including the US when it happens.

For what it's worth I don't think in the long run the Ukrainians will beat the Russians, they are simply completely out numbered and don't have the manpower that Russia does to throw at it, if Russia chooses to say fukk it and really go to the mattresses with the shyt. If Ukraine had help from a Nato member with a formidable military close by like I don't know maybe Turkey, yeah they would 100% of the way win hell Turkey at this point now almost for sure I think could fight Russia off if they came into conflict, Turkey just couldn't invade Russia so that's why I'd have to give Russia the edge as far as ranking them the best they can do is force them back. Turkey and Ukraine together would beat the fukking dogshyt out of Russia, and that's why I think all these countries in Asia are starting to ramp up their defense budgets because they are all gonna have to fight them together with us backing them up because by themselves they couldn't beat China, they simply don't have the manpower. India is the only country around there that don't gotta worry about China, they have the bodies to go toes with them.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

This isn't true. China fought Vietnam in 1979.

I'm speaking with military history AMATEURS and TODDLERS!

Saying they "fought" against the US is a stretch at best. They were support.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You're like a Soviet citizen in 1970.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Saying they "fought" against the US is a stretch at best. They were support.

American troops fleeing the Chinese by sea in 1950. Stop it!

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

PBS says y'all lost Iraq. Your taxpayer dollars paid this. Thanks! Gonna eat popcorn on your behalf:


Thanks for this one too!

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

You can have all the hi-tech weaponry in the world, but if the image of a dead American soldier in Mogadishu makes you squeamish, you're yellow-bellied and will lose wars.

Bruh do you live in America? A man walked into a school and killed dozens of children in this country and not only did we not ban guns, it has happened multiple times and we have seen pictures and videos of the shyt. Americans are fukking psychopaths the way we move, for the most part we are completely desensitized to the image of death. This isn't tribal warfare or over resources or anything, this is just people doing that shyt randomly because they can.

I say that saying I am in no way shape or form proud to be saying that about my country because it is nothing to be proud of. It is actually rather shameful and too many people here don't realize that.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

PBS says y'all lost Iraq.

And that has WHAT to do with Japan getting sent back to the Stone Age because they were Asian and wore sandals in 1945?

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