This generation is off to a ridiculously bad start (rant)

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Gamers don't hold these companies accountable for what they do.

Too many of us are fanboys blindly defending all the bullshyt hardware makers do and placing spinning all their bad business practices.

Its getting so bad many of our game releases are "remasters" of last generation games and many people are even justifying that by saying "I didn't get to play it back then so I'll cop now"

As if they couldn't go out and get the hardware to play that game back then or even now that both the game and hardware are bottom dollar to be had. A prime example of this BS is Dark Souls 2. Game came out a year ago and a year later there's a remaster that cost $60. Vanilla game could probably he had for half that or less and hell that was a multi-platform game.

Video game companies don't respect their customers. Beyond that they see them as something to be milked.
 

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How did that work out for you? :sas1:
I bought it day one for $52 at Bestbuy using my GCU, played it and beat it and really enjoyed it. The game was lacking content and replayability so I sold it a few weeks later or so. Wasn't the end of the world.
Now about FEZ... Bought it for probably less than $5 and it's still sitting in my library....
 

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Gamers don't hold these companies accountable for what they do.

Too many of us are fanboys blindly defending all the bullshyt hardware makers do and placing spinning all their bad business practices.

Its getting so bad many of our game releases are "remasters" of last generation games and many people are even justifying that by saying "I didn't get to play it back then so I'll cop now"

As if they couldn't go out and get the hardware to play that game back then or even now that both the game and hardware are bottom dollar to be had. A prime example of this BS is Dark Souls 2. Game came out a year ago and a year later there's a remaster that cost $60. Vanilla game could probably he had for half that or less and hell that was a multi-platform game.

Video game companies don't respect their customers. Beyond that they see them as something to be milked.
Breh, that's a perfectly valid justification. Why would I, a consumer go out and buy an ADDITIONAL piece of hardware that will take up space and power in my setup just to play an old game when I can play the same game presumably on my current hardware with better visuals??

Like check it, if I had a PS4 and I got rid of my PS3... Why would I go out and buy a PS3 to play TLOU or GOW3 when I could just play it on PS4?? Assuming that it's my first time playing it, it would be a brand new game. Why would I buy a PS2 to play FFX when I can just play it on PS4 now?? I never got more than 10 hours into FFX on both PS2 and PC(PCSX2) so nowadays if I ever wanted to get back into it, the remastered version is what I'm copping. I feel like the whole "This gen is mostly remaster" sentiment grossly overstated. It's more new games than remasters and most remasters aren't even developed by the main developer of the OG team anyway. Certain remasters make sense for some, some don't for others.
 

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A prime example of this BS is Dark Souls 2. Game came out a year ago and a year later there's a remaster that cost $60. Vanilla game could probably he had for half that or less and hell that was a multi-platform game.
yep, that shyt is wack. at least the Divinty Original Sin 'Enhanced Edition' will be free for previous owners
 

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Breh, that's a perfectly valid justification. Why would I, a consumer go out and buy an ADDITIONAL piece of hardware that will take up space and power in my setup just to play an old game when I can play the same game presumably on my current hardware with better visuals??

Like check it, if I had a PS4 and I got rid of my PS3... Why would I go out and buy a PS3 to play TLOU or GOW3 when I could just play it on PS4?? Assuming that it's my first time playing it, it would be a brand new game. Why would I buy a PS2 to play FFX when I can just play it on PS4 now?? I never got more than 10 hours into FFX on both PS2 and PC(PCSX2) so nowadays if I ever wanted to get back into it, the remastered version is what I'm copping. I feel like the whole "This gen is mostly remaster" sentiment grossly overstated. It's more new games than remasters and most remasters aren't even developed by the main developer of the OG team anyway. Certain remasters make sense for some, some don't for others.
What stopped you from getting a PS3 or getting one now that they can be had all dirt cheap?

You can get a PS3 for $100 and it has a full library of games that can also be had for cheap. You can get the entire God of War Saga for $20 or so or you can buy just God of War III Remaster for $40. Which is the better buy?

They charge the $40 for that game because they know customers will pay it. If we do the math on God of War III compared to the saga price God of War III cost $4 in the saga. Even if they triple the price that's $12. You'd smile and pay 10x the price to get it on the PS4 though?

The Final Fantasy X remaster is $20 on the PS3 right now. it's $50 on the PS4. Both run in 1080p at 30fps. The PS4 version has game breaking bugs and lets you pick the old soundtrack over the remade one. Talk is it won't ever get patched either.

I quit buying remasters day one. There's still a reason to buy but I'd rather buy them used a year or more later then the price has tanked. The problem isn't even the remasters as much as it's the over inflated price being charged for them.
 

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What stopped you from getting a PS3 or getting one now that they can be had all dirt cheap?

You can get a PS3 for $100 and it has a full library of games that can also be had for cheap. You can get the entire God of War Saga for $20 or so or you can buy just God of War III Remaster for $40. Which is the better buy?

They charge the $40 for that game because they know customers will pay it. If we do the math on God of War III compared to the saga price God of War III cost $4 in the saga. Even if they triple the price that's $12. You'd smile and pay 10x the price to get it on the PS4 though?

The Final Fantasy X remaster is $20 on the PS3 right now. it's $50 on the PS4. Both run in 1080p at 30fps. The PS4 version has game breaking bugs and lets you pick the old soundtrack over the remade one. Talk is it won't ever get patched either.

I quit buying remasters day one. There's still a reason to buy but I'd rather buy them used a year or more later then the price has tanked. The problem isn't even the remasters as much as it's the over inflated price being charged for them.
lol breh, it's 2015. People bought new machines (PS4s), why would they want to go out and buy old ass hardware? They wanna game on their new machine. Gaming on the pS4 is so much more enjoyable than the PS3.
 

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What stopped you from getting a PS3 or getting one now that they can be had all dirt cheap?
:dwillhuh:You missed the part where I said I don't want to have another piece of hardware in my gaming space. I have a Wii U here, had a PS4(Getting one again near Persona 5 release) and a gaming PC. I sold my PS3 for a reason. I played most of the games I wanted to on PS3 already and it was a little long in the tooth so to speak. I only had the PS3 around up until the day Persona 5 was announced for PS4. Hell, if Persona 4 Arena/Arena 2 was remastered for PS4 I'd cop day one. That came out right when PS4 was just coming out...
You can get a PS3 for $100 and it has a full library of games that can also be had for cheap. You can get the entire God of War Saga for $20 or so or you can buy just God of War III Remaster for $40. Which is the better buy?
If I have a PS4 already and I want to play just GoW3 for example, I'd just buy GOW 3 remastered which will probably go for even lower than $40 if you have GCU or buy it on sale which always happen with new releases. I'd rather just pay that than to buy an old system, and buy the game just to play at 720P/~40fps. I can play Gow 1/2 on PC via emulation or I can play it on PS Vita or PS Now if I want to.

They charge the $40 for that game because they know customers will pay it. If we do the math on God of War III compared to the saga price God of War III cost $4 in the saga. Even if they triple the price that's $12. You'd smile and pay 10x the price to get it on the PS4 though?
No, I'd sigh when I realize I need to buy a PS3 again to play it and then hook it all up and regress to 720P/30fps. :comeon:

The Final Fantasy X remaster is $20 on the PS3 right now. it's $50 on the PS4. Both run in 1080p at 30fps. The PS4 version has game breaking bugs and lets you pick the old soundtrack over the remade one. Talk is it won't ever get patched either.
Let's not just reduce it to vague "1080p/30fps" statements because that's only telling half the story. The PS4 version is easily the better version. Better controller, faster and sleeker OS to use while playing, broadcasting, sharing and shareplay etc make the PS4 version a no brainer. Your argument is for people who are still perfectly happy on last gen consoles.
With four versions of the Spira saga in circulation, the PS4 remaster adds a few crucial finishing touches to the existing remastering work. It doesn't match the generational leap in quality of the existing PS3 release, but the refinements are well-considered and it easily ranks as one of the best treatments of Square Enix's back catalogue seen to date. Effects are added, world detail is sparingly bolstered with higher-grade models and textures, but the real icing on the cake is in Final Fantasy X and X-2's aliasing-free 1080p presentation. Even though they each remain bound to 30fps, these two games have simply never looked better on a Sony console.

Add in cross-save compatibility with Vita and PS3 and a new option to run with the game's original soundtrack, this is without a doubt the definitive version. As one of Square Enix's first major in-house efforts on PS4, this shows an early confidence in the team's use of the hardware ahead of bigger titles. Putting its divisive character redesigns aside, there's also a modesty in its approach that honours the style of the original 2001 release - something we hope will carry forward in more remasters of its PS2-era classics.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-final-fantasy-x-x2-hd-remaster-ps4-face-off

These "game breaking" bugs are most likely going to be patched. Pure conjecture on your part saying it won't get fixed ever. I'll happily buy the FFX PS4 version if ever wanted to play that.


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quit buying remasters day one. There's still a reason to buy but I'd rather buy them used a year or more later then the price has tanked. The problem isn't even the remasters as much as it's the over inflated price being charged for them.
That's the thing, the remasters are purely optional. There's nothing forcing you to buy them.:manny:
 
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lol breh, it's 2015. People bought new machines (PS4s), why would they want to go out and buy old ass hardware? They wanna game on their new machine. Gaming on the pS4 is so much more enjoyable than the PS3.
God of War Saga cost $20.
God of War III Remastered cost $40.

Is playing God of War III on the PS4 so much more enjoyable you'd rather pay $40 for a game that effectively sells for $4 on the PS3? Mind you they already sold God of War III for the $60 and it already had it's cycle.

They don't respect you as a customer. That's why they sell a $4 game with a $36 new hardware tax. The average video game consumer isn't worthy of that respect anyway because not only will they pay it but they'll toss the game on their shelf and call it part of their "backlog." A collection of games they're likely never gonna play.

Darksiders 2
$40 on the PS4

$17 on the PS3


Why would they make a backwards compatible system ever again? The profit margins are higher on selling us games we either already bought or are old as hell?
 

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God of War Saga cost $20.
God of War III Remastered cost $40.

Is playing God of War III on the PS4 so much more enjoyable you'd rather pay $40 for a game that effectively sells for $4 on the PS3? Mind you they already sold God of War III for the $60 and it already had it's cycle.


They don't respect you as a customer. That's why they sell a $4 game with a $36 new hardware tax. The average video game consumer isn't worthy of that respect anyway because not only will they pay it but they'll toss the game on their shelf and call it part of their "backlog." A collection of games they're likely never gonna play.

Why would they make a backwards compatible system ever again? The profit margins are higher on selling us games we either already bought or are old as hell?
For me, yes it's a lot more enjoyable to game on PS4. The UI/OS is way better, the visuals are better and the controller is a lot better.

edit: Like fatboi said
"The PS4 version is easily the better version. Better controller, faster and sleeker OS to use while playing, broadcasting, sharing and shareplay etc make the PS4 version a no brainer. Your argument is for people who are still perfectly happy on last gen consoles."

As for the pricing, the PS4 versions cost more because they spent money to port it to the PS4 and make profits, obviously. The only reason GoW3 is so cheap on PS3 now is because there's no demand for it. But clearly there is some demand for a 1080p60fps re-release of that game for a current system, so that's also why they can charge $40 for it. You're looking into this shyt too deep when you say stuff like "they don't respect you as a customer". It's like you're taking this shyt personal. You don't have to buy these remasters, especially if you already played the original game.
 

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God of War Saga cost $20.
God of War III Remastered cost $40.

Is playing God of War III on the PS4 so much more enjoyable you'd rather pay $40 for a game that effectively sells for $4 on the PS3? Mind you they already sold God of War III for the $60 and it already had it's cycle.

They don't respect you as a customer. That's why they sell a $4 game with a $36 new hardware tax. The average video game consumer isn't worthy of that respect anyway because not only will they pay it but they'll toss the game on their shelf and call it part of their "backlog." A collection of games they're likely never gonna play.

Darksiders 2
$40 on the PS4

$17 on the PS3


Why would they make a backwards compatible system ever again? The profit margins are higher on selling us games we either already bought or are old as hell?

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Did you forget that you need a PS3 to play God of War 3??
I think you ASSUME everyone to have THIS as their setup:
BestConsoleSetup.jpg


Lol.

And yeah, I think 1080P/60fps is THAT much more enjoyable. Hell, I paid frigging $200 just to upgrade my CPU in my rig just so I can play GTA V at 60fps 95% of the time. I guess I'm getting raped by Intel since the game worked fine with my dual core CPU right?

Hell, people who upgrade their hardware to play the same games that can be played comfortably on a PS3/PS4 are suckers too right?? :pachaha: The only remasters I felt that were a slap in the face were remasters of games on PC! Sleeping Dogs and Dark Souls 2 were stupid imo and should be free since it essentially should run as an update to the existing game.
 

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This generation is terrible. The only "transcendent" experience I've had so far is The Last of Us and that's only because i never owned a PS4.
 

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Did you forget that you need a PS3 to play God of War 3??
I think you ASSUME everyone to have THIS as their setup:
BestConsoleSetup.jpg


Lol.

And yeah, I think 1080P/60fps is THAT much more enjoyable. Hell, I paid frigging $200 just to upgrade my CPU in my rig just so I can play GTA V at 60fps 95% of the time. I guess I'm getting raped by Intel since the game worked fine with my dual core CPU right?

Hell, people who upgrade their hardware to play the same games that can be played comfortably on a PS3/PS4 are suckers too right?? :pachaha: The only remasters I felt that were a slap in the face were remasters of games on PC! Sleeping Dogs and Dark Souls 2 were stupid imo and should be free since it essentially should run as an update to the existing game.

Video game companies are sort of like chicks. A chick is gonna do what you let her get away with and if she peeps you'll tolerate something she's gonna see how far she can push that. Once you cross a certain threshold she will lose respect for you place you in the simp category and its a wrap. You'll "loan" her $20 today then next month she ask for $100 and a couple of weeks later there's an emergency and she needs $500.

We let them do this to us and show them we'll tolerate it and they're gonna push it till it breaks.

Oh you'll buy Rock Band Beatles? Well how about Guitar Hero Areosmith and 10 Tony Hawk games? When gamers get tired of the bs and speak with their wallets the crap gets cut.

Gaming got this bad because gamers were pushovers who let companies get away with whatever and rationalized and justified corporate bullhsit.
 
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