Thinking of converting to Islam (srs)

[ChatGPT-5]

What would constitue "proof"?

How you answer this question is going to expose some things.

evidence.

 

[Karb]

evidence.

What kind evidence? You need to establish what you mean by evidence.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

What kind evidence? You need to establish what you mean by evidence.

ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/
noun

1. 1.
   the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

 

[Karb]

I am not denying that God did and/or does not communicate with individuals through channeling. I am saying that man's interpretation of the divine and its true meaning are separate.

Is God incapable of insuring that the Truth be revealed and transmitted as He intended it to be understood?

 

[Karb]

ev·i·dence
ˈevədəns/
noun

1. 1.
   the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I did not ask you to define the meaning of the word "evidence". I asked you specifically to describe the kind of evidence that would be sufficient for you.

If you do not understand this simple question, then there's nothing to debate.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

I did not ask you to define the meaning of the word "evidence". I asked you specifically to describe the kind of evidence that would be sufficient for you.

If you do not understand this simple question, then there's nothing to debate.

in other words, you have none. Their are no various kinds of evidence, evidence is self explanatory.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

there is still chance join with Jesus Christ

 

[Karb]

in other words, you have none. Their are no various kinds of evidence, evidence is self explanatory.

You've clearly never studied philosophy. "Evidence is self explanatory"

Let me walk you through this, breh. Are you requesting scientific evidence (which is one type of evidence)? :Mjwtf:

 

[ChatGPT-5]

You've clearly never studied philosophy. "Evidence is self explanatory"

Let me walk you through this, breh. Are you requesting scientific evidence (which is one type of evidence)? :Mjwtf:

Do you have any evidence?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

It's a universal message and the Core message regarding the nature of God is not different from the message of, say, Moses.

You might've practised a dry religion, but it was certainly not Islam. There's a vast spiritual tradition within Islam and this is something which is acknowledged even by Western academics. The writings of Al-Ghazali, Averroes (Ibn Rushd), Ibn Qayyim etc were studied even by Christian and Jewish scholars.

"God is one" is not some revolutionary contribution from Islam, or even the Abrahamic faiths in general.

There is nothing "spiritual" about Islam. It's nothing but empty rules, regulations, and threats of hellfire for unbelievers. How is that universal? Something so simple as MUSIC which is a common enjoyment for humanity in general is banned in Islam, what does that tell you? Again, it's a joyless faith.

A lot of converts to Islam fall for the okey doke, I was one of them. After extensive experience and study, I saw it for what it is. You don't have to be a Muslim to be devoted to one God.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Is God incapable of insuring that the Truth be revealed and transmitted as He intended it to be understood?

Depends on how you conceptualize God.
Based on the world we live in today, Humanity has strayed pretty far from whatever that original message was.

 

[Karb]

Do you have any evidence?

Yes, but what's sufficient for me might not be for you. Which is why we need to establish what you consider as sufficient evidence for the existence of God.

You're the one who needs evidence, so tell me what type of evidence you're requesting.

Is it scientific evidence? Stop dodging the question.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

Yes, but what's sufficient for me might not be for you. Which is why we need to establish what you consider as sufficient evidence for the existence of God.

You're the one who needs evidence, so tell me what type of evidence you're requesting.

Is it scientific evidence? Stop dodging the question.

I think you're having a hard time reading, I said ANY evidence.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Following your own whims and desires is not "spiritual". It's delusion.

Thinking that the Divine did not send direct communications to humanity is ridiculous.

You just don't like the idea of having demands and expectations placed on you due to your own ego. You don't want to submit to the Divine, you want to do whatever makes you feel good. You're enslaved to your whims, breh.

Reflect on how ridiculous it would be if everyone followed their own sets of "spiritual beliefs".

In theory, my idea of being "spiritual" could be to lie, cheat and hurt other people. In the absence of universal truths, anything can be labeled "spiritual".

So why are those non-muslims who are good, moral individuals who happen to have their own views about spirituality condemned to hellfire by Allah?

Muslims claim Allah is most merciful, but 90% of the Qur'an is about how non-muslims are in for an eternity of torment if they don't repent and accept some Arab named Muhammad as God's messenger. How does this compute?

Doctrines which preach about eternal hellfire on one side and a "pie in the sky" on the other are primitive, and suited for savages, not rational and intuitive individuals.

Look at what great civilizations like Egypt have left behind. We can appreciate it's legacy even today, despite our beliefs about God. What will we have from Islam, or the Abrahamic faiths in general, to appreciate 5,000 years from today besides war, hatred, and bloodshed?

 

[Karb]

"God is one" is not some revolutionary contribution from Islam, or even the Abrahamic faiths in general.

There is nothing "spiritual" about Islam. It's nothing but empty rules, regulations, and threats of hellfire for unbelievers. How is that universal? Something so simple as MUSIC which is a common enjoyment for humanity in general is banned in Islam, what does that tell you? Again, it's a joyless faith.

A lot of converts to Islam fall for the okey doke, I was one of them. After extensive experience and study, I saw it for what it is. You don't have to be a Muslim to be devoted to one God.

Islamic monotheism is unique and the conception of God in Islam is most in line with human logic.

Islam revolves around purifying the human spirit and elevating it through prayer, meditation, remembrance of God, breaking the ego and freeing oneself from attachment to ephemeral things.

You have to be spiritually present during acts of worship and the state of your heart is always at the center of everything that you do. How is that not spiritual?

I mean, there are literally countless books on Islamic spirituality.

You were taught a dry, soulless form of Deen and now you think that's all there is to it.