Things you didn't notice on The Wire until multiple watches

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Never saw it as Kenard trying to impress Marlo's crew, thanks. You're right that he was there when Omar ran up on Michael and badmouthed Marlo. So even though he wasn't aware that Marlos crew was actively hunting down Omar.....he did know that there was some beef.

Marlo did tell Chris and Snoop later that the young'n hit Omar.....so Kenard did take credit for the hit.

I didn't like it then, don't like it now...and think it was a copout done for shock value.

Speaking of Omar's return....The way the story is written, he and Butchie are NOT related, Butch is just his bank, but Omar's reaction to his death...and his campaign of terror back on the streets seems like how someone would avenge a family member. I know Omar has codes and principles and is coming back out of a sense of loyalty to Butchie but I never really got what their bond was.

The whole west side knew Marlo's crew was hunting Omar. Michael even said he was lucky that Omar didn't recognize him from the shootout at Monks apartment. Kenard killing him wasn't for shock value. There was layers and purpose to Kenard doing the deed. Omar's downfall was that he wasn't wary enough of kids. He forgot how deadly he was as a kid and should have known better. Remember HBO did flashback shorts before episodes for a minute. There was a Young Omar short where Omar was about Kenards age and he, his brother, and another dude robbed a middle aged working man at a bus stop. All they got was 5 dollars. Omar was like "we giving it back". The other dude was like "Hell no". Until young Omar but the gun in his face and made him give the wallet back.
A second instance of Omar underestimating a kids was when he and his BF were watching Marlo and Chris while they were talking to Mike. The boyfriend asked who Mike was. Omar said "he just a kid" and the ep went off. Mike proved to be way more than just a kid and these 2 scenes foreshadowed underestimation that would ultimately lead to Omars end.

As for Butchie and Omar, blood don't always make you family especially in the streets. For Butchie to have been Omar's bank you have to realize he's someone Omar has known probably since childhood to build up that type of trust. He often advised Omar as well as kept his money so you know this has to be a bond that goes back. Butchie was probably someone that Omar could always count on and never judged him for being gay. Butchie even knew Omar's grandma so he could be a long time family friend.

 

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The whole west side knew Marlo's crew was hunting Omar. Michael even said he was lucky that Omar didn't recognize him from the shootout at Monks apartment. Kenard killing him wasn't for shock value. There was layers and purpose to Kenard doing the deed. Omar's downfall was that he wasn't wary enough of kids. He forgot how deadly he was as a kid and should have known better. Remember HBO did flashback shorts before episodes for a minute. There was a Young Omar short where Omar was about Kenards age and he, his brother, and another dude robbed a middle aged working man at a bus stop. All they got was 5 dollars. Omar was like "we giving it back". The other dude was like "Hell no". Until young Omar but the gun in his face and made him give the wallet back.
A second instance of Omar underestimating a kids was when he and his BF were watching Marlo and Chris while they were talking to Mike. The boyfriend asked who Mike was. Omar said "he just a kid" and the ep went off. Mike proved to be way more than just a kid and these 2 scenes foreshadowed underestimation that would ultimately lead to Omars end.

As for Butchie and Omar, blood don't always make you family especially in the streets. For Butchie to have been Omar's bank you have to realize he's someone Omar has known probably since childhood to build up that type of trust. He often advised Omar as well as kept his money so you know this has to be a bond that goes back. Butchie was probably someone that Omar could always count on and never judged him for being gay. Butchie even knew Omar's grandma so he could be a long time family friend.

Disagree with the first part...........in the VERY first robbery that Omar's crew does.....he shoots the dj clue looking dude in the leg for not telling him where the stash is...then he points the shotgun straight at a kid...
'where it at,shorty?"......no hesitation, no remorse....and if the kid didn't tell..he would have gotten hit too


Omar was on a suicide mission....taking on Marlo's hitters, humiliating Marlo's name...daring Marlo to come see him. He didn't give a fukk about anything at that point....hobbled....no crew....just guerilla warfare against Marlo....by himself. The rant he yells to the streets before he gets hit....crippled...walking along.....he was near his end.

Kenard hitting him makes no sense... The WEAKEST person to ever be in the streets ,Dukie, smacks Kenard around.....but somehow K. kills the STRONGEST street character? hell no

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

No it wasn't the same guy. Not even the same actor.

:mjaggy:I still hate that nikka

 

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Disagree with the first part...........in the VERY first robbery that Omar's crew does.....he shoots the dj clue looking dude in the leg for not telling him where the stash is...then he points the shotgun straight at a kid...
'where it at,shorty?"......no hesitation, no remorse....and if the kid didn't tell..he would have gotten hit too


Omar was on a suicide mission....taking on Marlo's hitters, humiliating Marlo's name...daring Marlo to come see him. He didn't give a fukk about anything at that point....hobbled....no crew....just guerilla warfare against Marlo....by himself. The rant he yells to the streets before he gets hit....crippled...walking along.....he was near his end.

Kenard hitting him makes no sense... The WEAKEST person to ever be in the streets ,Dukie, smacks Kenard around.....but somehow K. kills the STRONGEST street character? hell no

Omar got caught lackin breh it's simple

 

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Disagree with the first part...........in the VERY first robbery that Omar's crew does.....he shoots the dj clue looking dude in the leg for not telling him where the stash is...then he points the shotgun straight at a kid...
'where it at,shorty?"......no hesitation, no remorse....and if the kid didn't tell..he would have gotten hit too


Omar was on a suicide mission....taking on Marlo's hitters, humiliating Marlo's name...daring Marlo to come see him. He didn't give a fukk about anything at that point....hobbled....no crew....just guerilla warfare against Marlo....by himself. The rant he yells to the streets before he gets hit....crippled...walking along.....he was near his end.

Kenard hitting him makes no sense... The WEAKEST person to ever be in the streets ,Dukie, smacks Kenard around.....but somehow K. kills the STRONGEST street character? hell no

We'll never know if Omar woulda shot that kid. I want to say the showrunners explained what I just said in post show commentary. But I'm not 100% sure, haven't watched my season 5 DVD set in a while. I'm 95% sure tho, so Omar was probably bluffing on shooting that kid. The Wire didn't waste scenes or dialogue. Everything had a purpose. There was a reason they flashed back to an 11 year old Omar. There was a reason for an episode ending with Omar saying "he just a kid".
Even removing that theory, like homie just told you, Omar got caught slipping. It happens. He was wounded, running off pure emotion, and in alotta pain.
Dukie smacked Kenard once because Kenard was a 4 foot nothing 11 year old and Dukie was a teenager. Dukie then got his ass beat for it by Spider. Because of the respect Spider had for Kenard AND the disrespect he had for Dukie. Best believe Kenard snuck some punches in after Spider had Dukie down. Kenard didn't get slapped by Dukie because he was p*ssy. He was fukking with Dukie as always and Dukie was tired of it.

 

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cued up

 

[Jhoon]

Did anyone else notice how Weebay and Kenard look like father and son? the eyes?

Kenard gets beaten up by the weakest person on the show....Dukie...and takes out the most fierce character...Omar.

I still think it was a sellout move by the writers to have Kenard hit Omar. I've heard people regurgitate I guess how the writers justified it( having heard the legend of Omar,he was disappointed to see him in such a raggedy and hobbled condition,etc,etc,etc,), but it makes no sense to me.


In terms of the show...and people becoming the "new" so and so....who was Kenard supposed to be in that regard?
The new Weebay, the new Cutty?

The new Marlo.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Disagree with the first part...........in the VERY first robbery that Omar's crew does.....he shoots the dj clue looking dude in the leg for not telling him where the stash is...then he points the shotgun straight at a kid...
'where it at,shorty?"......no hesitation, no remorse....and if the kid didn't tell..he would have gotten hit too


Omar was on a suicide mission....taking on Marlo's hitters, humiliating Marlo's name...daring Marlo to come see him. He didn't give a fukk about anything at that point....hobbled....no crew....just guerilla warfare against Marlo....by himself. The rant he yells to the streets before he gets hit....crippled...walking along.....he was near his end.

Kenard hitting him makes no sense... The WEAKEST person to ever be in the streets ,Dukie, smacks Kenard around.....but somehow K. kills the STRONGEST street character? hell no

Most of the realist street dudes was killed by some clown ass dude, shot in the back or off guard. The point was anybody could be clipped. Even little kids is murdering. If a grown ass man or even 16 year old walked in, Omar would have been more alert. The moment he saw it was some innocent looking 10 year old, he took his eyes off him. And that was his fatal mistake

As for Kenard. nikka was torturing animals. First sign of a psychopath. He definitely shot that nikka and then ran around bragging bout it. That’s how he got jammed up at the end. So he definitely wanted the rep too. But mostly to kill somebody. Why else would he already have a pistol on him?

 

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Watched the Wire and then saw films that seemed to have influenced the show

first is self explanatory

2. In Once Upon A Time In America, the "pocket watch" and how it gets repeatedly stolen.....is like Old Face Andre's traveling ring....



3. The welcome back party for Avon......is shot like the welcome back party(from jail) that is thrown for Deniro's character.String even has a tuxedo on in the scene.

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this is an earlier post in the thread....post #183

#4 CLEARLY influenced how they wrote Omar's end

Dude who replied to my earlier post said that one of the writers for the Clockers screenplay.....or the author of the book himself.....was involved with the Wire

Spoiler

Richard Price here as the guy leading the literary group discussion of The Great Gatsby, when D'angelo is in prison.

He was one of the writers for the show

 

[K-ZOE]

cued up

Not sure if you posted this scene to help your point or what. Everybody remembers it and everybody saw he pointed a gun at a kid. But notice that there were plenty of older teens in the room including Bodie and Poot. He didn't point at them and ask. He knew the lil kid would give it up after seeing Sterling get his leg damn near blown off. And I don't think I ever said Omar wouldn't clap a kid. I said he underestimated them.
It should also be noted that at the time this scene was shot the Omar character was slated for only a few episodes. They decided to make him a recurring character after filming the season was well underway. His character wasn't fleshed out yet.

 

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this is an earlier post in the thread....post #183

#4 CLEARLY influenced how they wrote Omar's end

Dude who replied to my earlier post said that one of the writers for the Clockers screenplay.....or the author of the book himself.....was involved with the Wire

Spoiler

Richard Price here as the guy leading the literary group discussion of The Great Gatsby, when D'angelo is in prison.

He was one of the writers for the show

OK? And in Clockers shorty clearly got the drop on Errol because Errol didn't think this lil kid was rolling up on him for any smoke. He underestimated him.

 

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Not sure if you posted this scene to help your point or what. Everybody remembers it and everybody saw he pointed a gun at a kid. But notice that there were plenty of older teens in the room including Bodie and Poot. He didn't point at them and ask. He knew the lil kid would give it up after seeing Sterling get his leg damn near blown off. And I don't think I ever said Omar wouldn't clap a kid. I said he underestimated them.
It should also be noted that at the time this scene was shot the Omar character was slated for only a few episodes. They decided to make him a recurring character after filming the season was well underway. His character wasn't fleshed out yet.

Let me shut down your argument right away about the kid.
When Omar and crew crashed the door...the brought Stink and the pit workers into the apt.....dj clue...the young kid were the ones inside (who knew where the drugs were).....they caught another guy coming down the stairs....but dj clue and the young kid were the ones inside.....Omar and crew staked it out and knew what was what.
He didn't aim at the kid because of the reason you mentioned, but because he and clue-minatti were the ones who were inside the spot when they crashed in....Poot,Bodie, Stink and whoever else they forced inside were outside when the drop was being made.
You created a scenario to fit your viewpoint, but the way the scene plays out..more than likely it's how I described it.

I think the mistake some people make is that they watch the show with commentary on, so their views and interpretations aren't their own..but how the writers/directors see it..(or they watch with closed captions)

For example....dj clue was a minor character....I've watched the entire series about 10 times..and NEVER noted or heard his name. How did you know his name was Sterling? Closed captioning? commentary? Did another character later mention him getting shot?

 

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OK? And in Clockers shorty clearly got the drop on Errol because Errol didn't think this lil kid was rolling up on him for any smoke. He underestimated him.

season 5 had fewer episodes than the other seasons.....and it shows in the sloppy storytelling and resolutions

Kenard hitting Omar was a copout....plain and simple.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Let me shut down your argument right away about the kid.
When Omar and crew crashed the door...the brought Stink and the pit workers into the apt.....dj clue...the young kid were the ones inside (who knew where the drugs were).....they caught another guy coming down the stairs....but dj clue and the young kid were the ones inside.....Omar and crew staked it out and knew what was what.
He didn't aim at the kid because of the reason you mentioned, but because he and clue-minatti were the ones who were inside the spot when they crashed in....Poot,Bodie, Stink and whoever else they forced inside were outside when the drop was being made.
You created a scenario to fit your viewpoint, but the way the scene plays out..more than likely it's how I described it.

I think the mistake some people make is that they watch the show with commentary on, so their views and interpretations aren't their own..but how the writers/directors see it..(or they watch with closed captions)

For example....dj clue was a minor character....I've watched the entire series about 10 times..and NEVER noted or heard his name. How did you know his name was Sterling? Closed captioning? commentary? Did another character later mention him getting shot?

Why does that bother you? Why wouldn’t people go to the source to get answers. If I write a story and tell you thebhows and why’s, my version is correct. It’s nice you can find some hidden things and interpretations. But at the end of the day, that person is making up shyt and the writer actually has the definitive answer. Unless you saying the writer is lying

 

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Why does that bother you? Why wouldn’t people go to the source to get answers. If I write a story and tell you thebhows and why’s, my version is correct. It’s nice you can find some hidden things and interpretations. But at the end of the day, that person is making up shyt and the writer actually has the definitive answer. Unless you saying the writer is lying

I was super late to catching on to the Wire. Heard about it for years before I watched it..after the series was over....having discussion online and in real life I heard people make interpretations of events that later found out weren't their interpretations at all ...just repeated from director's commentary.

They copy something they read from director of a reviewer and then try to re arrange events from the show to fit that viewpoint. Read my take on the pit stashhouse robbery. Does it makes sense to you?

Don't mind me.Just a pet peeve of mine, art is open to personal interpretation. Directors and writers put a story out and have intentions about actions and events. I'm just saying that in this situation...there are inconsistencies.