"They Say Du-Wop Homeeee" The GREAT Dwight Howard Returns...2016-17 ATL Hawks Season Thread

[#1 pick]

lol we tanking for two weak draft classes in 2018 and 2019

I hope more guys come out of no where they senior year like my boy Collin Sexton

These are two of the best draft classes in years. NBA length, athletic ability and size. My two favorite classes in the last ten years. These two are top heavy classes.

 

[#1 pick]

I hope this move is signaling that the team is going to rebuild because if not


Losing the 31st pick isn't worth getting rid of Howard. Attaching that to Bazemore would have made more sense. Might as well hold on to Howard another year because the Center position is ass now. They have to be targeting one of the 5's at 19 and even then I don't see Patton, Allen or whoever producing right away.

Makes me think they are rebuilding which I'm fine with. Been waiting for it to happen for years.

No one wants Bazemore. The Lakers had to trade Russell just to get rid of Mozzy

 

[Motife43]

That's assuming THJR returns. Even if you brought Sap back this team would have to bust its ass to be an 8 seed. This isn't a playoff team right now



I want what Danny Ferry built: A competitive team that remained flexible via smart contracts and good trades. Being bad enough to tank isn't a strategy. So if you want to tear it down to get better through the draft why are you trading your 31st pick to get the 41st pick? If your intent is to get rid of bad contracts, why are you bringing back a bad contract in Miles Plumlee (12.5 per year through 2019-20)? This trade was a net loss on the two things I wanted (being competitive while maintaining cap flexibility), being bad isn't a strategy

We can't have a Danny ferry team (from a W-L standpoint) with this current squad. Re-signing Millsap or even THJ to a crazy deal limits flexibility down the road. I never said tank, I said retool, meaning restructure the roster try to find young guys on team friendly deals and then flourish.

I believe We can still win with this squad (depending on this offseason) and be a bottom tier playoff team but I wouldn't be mad if we didn't make the playoffs. the key is drafting well IMO. Schlenk was a part of a front office that did that

But "the if ain't broke don't fix it" attitude

 

[Rekkapryde]

No one wants Bazemore. The Lakers had to trade Russell just to get rid of Mozzy

yup.

 

[FreshFromATL]

The ONLY thing I can see from this deal is that someone in the organization thinks they can develop Plumlee into a decent player being he's only 28. If not, this WHOLE trade is pointless. Right now, Plumlee deal is just as bad as Dwight AND the Hawks traded down in the draft. shyt don't make sense on any account

 

[Steezy]

Accept fukking change brehs. If we had a decent gm instead of that fakkit knight we could've tanked and had possibly iggy Josh Smith Joe johnson and Chris paul..instead..we fumbled and ended up on a treadmill for 10 years..10 years of my basketball life ill never get back.

I trust shlenk..he's been around excellence for too long. I'm not worried about no plumlee contract..that shyt is the equivalent of 7 or 8 mil in the old FA world. We need to be BAD to get a future durant. Embiid..somebody that will develop into something to make players want to come. Meanwhile I love Dennis prince enough to watch them grow every game and hopefully bembry can get his shyt straight too.

If we make the playoffs with no howard or sap..that means Dennis is a all star and Tim took the leap. But I suspect we'll be picking top 5

 

[#1 pick]

We can't have a Danny ferry team (from a W-L standpoint) with this current squad. Re-signing Millsap or even THJ to a crazy deal limits flexibility down the road. I never said tank, I said retool, meaning restructure the roster try to find young guys on team friendly deals and then flourish.

I believe We can still win with this squad (depending on this offseason) and be a bottom tier playoff team but I wouldn't be mad if we didn't make the playoffs. the key is drafting well IMO. Schlenk was a part of a front office that did that

But "the if ain't broke don't fix it" attitude

You are my dude but there is no doubt that this team is finished if Sap leaves. They have poor analytics across the board without Sap. With him, it's slightly below average as well. This team is due for a 15-20 win season next year depending on the off-season moves

 

[Captain Crunch]

Y'all finally rebuilding?

 

[#1 pick]

Join us at the bottom, Hawk brehs.

Y'all not at the bottom. Y'all just suck but not bottom suck. We bottom suck. That's where we need to be. Having the 8th pick stinks for the most part

 

[Motife43]

You are my dude but there is no doubt that this team is finished if Sap leaves. They have poor analytics across the board without Sap. With him, it's slightly below average as well. This team is due for a 15-20 win season next year depending on the off-season moves

I agree. But we still have the draft and FA to add to the team. We aren't going Into the year with 9 players lol

Also this trade was nothing more than to get rid of Howard. Despite him still being a top 10 center, few teams would've wanted him. Clifford x Wop have been fruitful in the past and probably will be again. Just wondering what else would y'all have asked for in this deal? Lamb? 1st Rd pick?

 

[#1 pick]

I agree. But we still have the draft and FA to add to the team. We aren't going Into the year with 9 players lol

Also this trade was nothing more than to get rid of Howard. Despite him still being a top 10 center, few teams would've wanted him. Clifford x Wop have been fruitful in the past and probably will be again. Just wondering what else would y'all have asked for in this deal? Lamb? 1st Rd pick?

His top 10 status is due to production and talent. But his impact is terrible and anything more than 24 MPG can be a nightmare. He had negative value, it is what it is

 

[KnickstapeCity]

I'm on the block like D12, I got the white, no D12.









@Dwight Howard

 

[Motife43]

His top 10 status is due to production and talent. But his impact is terrible and anything more than 24 MPG can be a nightmare. He had negative value, it is what it is

I know you didn't like the fit, but again I agree with that. Like I said I'm interested in how the Charlotte experiment works

 

[AVXL]

If you look at every national reaction to this trade literally everyone has this as a bad trade for us and giving us a D and has the Hornets winning the trade

I'm still not sure why some of y'all support this trade

 

[AVXL]

We can't have a Danny ferry team (from a W-L standpoint) with this current squad. Re-signing Millsap or even THJ to a crazy deal limits flexibility down the road. I never said tank, I said retool, meaning restructure the roster try to find young guys on team friendly deals and then flourish.

I believe We can still win with this squad (depending on this offseason) and be a bottom tier playoff team but I wouldn't be mad if we didn't make the playoffs. the key is drafting well IMO. Schlenk was a part of a front office that did that

But "the if ain't broke don't fix it" attitude

When did I say "if ain't broke don't fix it"?

I read this critique from ABC Sports via ESPN about the trade:

"So since the Hawks are taking on the worse contract and the worse players, why are they also trading down in the second round?"

I also saw this on Sports Illustrated:

In sum, Atlanta traded out an expensive impact player for an expensive non-impact player, it dropped 10 spots in the draft order, it took on an extra year of eight-figure commitments to Plumlee, and it created a hole in the middle. There’s definitely value in being free of Howard’s moodiness and offensive fit issues, but not that much value. Millsap should run away to a real contender as quickly as possible and not look back.

So please explain why or how this trade is a win?

And breh this isn't a playoff team even with Sap. This team got worse in the short term, the money is about even (Hawks saved a few million) and we traded down. Where on earth is that a good trade?

Y'all hated Wop that much?