They killed Alpo Martinez

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?
 

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Troy still on some weak shyt. The streets only a "myth" for people unaware of the checks and balances; most dudes who get into it young learn the rules young. These dudes who get into it later have the misperception of these media rules...

Everybody should know there's always the threat of snitches and potential snitches. There's always the threat of your people turning on you, your "brothers". All that is in the game...

Troy justifies not really being cut like that with the streets being a myth...





Just to point out where my point of view is coming from, I used to despise snitches...

Being a snitch makes you the biggest p*ssy possible. This doesn't mean they won't hurt you in an advantageous situation but it also doesn't make them admirable gangsters because they'd still hurt you despite telling on people...

Regarding Po, couple things:

•there's an account of some dude back in the day smacking him up for fukking his woman, anyone know the story on this?

•Silk Perry says Po wasn't cut like that and he knew it...

•Alpo did his whole 24 years PC'd up, this dude was not on a normal yard around peers...

Personally I'm not inclined to believe Po was this rare breed of G, because there are types like him, guys that are dangerous with guns in their hands or with advantageous circumstances. There are guys who are street tough, guys who are prison tough, and some who are both. Prison is the ultimate exposal grounds because when you gotta walk that yard all that shyt you were part of outside is secondary to the activities of how you demo inside----->MANY nikkas will kill you on the streets and get the bytch brought out of them inside...

For this reason alone I'm not buying into the notion of Po as a different breed or respectable g, let alone other reasons. The nikka wouldn't even walk the yard after telling, and contrary to popular belief, there are snitches who are walking the yards at max prisons with a variety of outcomes...

I read up on his story the last few days and multiple accounts say this dude broke down in tears in court the day after his arrest, and immediately became an informant. Like, this nikka didn't even need time to bake on it, within a few days or a week he was already ratting. This is the worst kind of "street nikka", when he's up its all good but these types don't handle adversity well...

I've told dudes on here before, there are cats walking with verified bodies on them who really ain't cut like that. A nikka having killed someone only gets viewed as a "real gangster" outside the streets, ie by non-street folks, on the internet, in our media, etc...

Po was a killer and a "savage" in more ways than one definition but he was also kind of soft and if one nikka (Silk) saw it in him, there were others who did too. Whether people "ran down" on him checking his gangster is irrelevant as many dudes steer clear of people they get these impressions from anyway; other guys prefer not to involve themselves in politics that don't directly involve them, meaning if Po never hurt someone affiliated with them, they don't see the value in creating an issue where there is none...

So the crowd on here that says "well no one was checking him", this flies over your head...

The main issue here is "the streets" have become so saturated and oversimplified with galmorization, hype, entertainment, that people misperceive what it's really like in these rooms unless you've been in them, or what the players in the game are really like unless you've been them or around them directly...

Add to the glorification 80s dudes (and now 90s) get in general, there's a certain mythology those older guys take on as the decades disappear and the truth gets blurry. Obviously dude was a real factor in his day, but money and power (which he had in his youth) mask character deficiencies, and to the common observer if you've killed someone you're American Gangster....

Po was a gangster but not a unique breed of one and him being a gangster doesn't exclude him from being a buster...
No, Alpo was not smacked around.that would have been out there long ago. Also there are dudes who kill went to prison and got their face slashed of stabbed out but that doen mean they not dangerous anyone can take a loss in the streets. Sub Zero mentioned when Alpo was young, his goon ,mentor named Randy Love who is doing long prison stretch smack Po on some father figure mentor type thing but not on some punk way. Randy brother in the documentary spoke how Randy and Alpo would go and rob the Dominican wholesale drug dealers .. As far as Wayne contrary to popular beliefs Po was a goon before DC watch the Alpo Documentary but I find it odd folks on the outside only talk about the DC murders and Rich murders but not the other murders. He had some bodies in other places including two from NY stick up kids.


What I find amazing is that folks justify selling poison and murder but don't factor that being in the streets that snitching comes with the territory. You can't put a moral clause on someone . Whether it's Alpo or Wayne or anyone. I think some of folks questions can be answered listening to the unreleased lost Alpo tapes on the " Alpo Feds Media TV on YouTube" it's more indepth .he spoke he tested Wayne to see if Wayne would betray him.


The reason Alpo name was talked about he gave a recorded message about his life over one hour long while he was locked up years ago and followed by the same person making a VHS /DVD documentary about him and the magazine article when hood street magazines were popular at the time and that led to the wave and mystery.
All in all, his participation in the early bike dirt bike culture,the fashion,the women,the posting sex videos of local chicks at parties ,smashing cakes in people faces , the other crazy stuff including taking photos of folks that was talking sh$$t with them shaking their hands.
At the end of the day whether folks choose how Alpo did it in the streets or they side with Alpo enemies. They all were selling poison so none of them are angels
 

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?
Because At that time Azie was not a street corner type of dude he stayed under the radar and too many hustlers we're all over the streets so cops had their hand full and this was was right before the wave of murders and as crack cocaine was peaking ,Azie stayed selling only powder coke and since he seem to be fair and treating folks well and wasn't greedy he also stayed under the radar. It's when he got shot and the two guys killed multiple people along with the many guys showing up to the hospital based careers n that Alpo Documentary, that cops immediately were on Azie and while Azie was on hospital bed he confessed . I think folks we're angry that the shooters and particular At the guy who set up the robbery Azie looked out for him and felt it wasn't justify to go at Azie that was their food . Also Azie tesity on those dudes went under the radar and Azie life story was less intrigued as society ran with Alpo story.

Since Azie didn't tell on his friends and others, I guess they felt a sign of relief and played on his good side. Like it or not , if someone had a chance to snitch on you but didn't ,whether you agree with his actions or not, you might feel obligated to reach out to him or bless him with money or keep it cool with him even if it's being cool from a distance.



This is why streets is none sense cause you may mind your business making your money and look out for others ,you will have someone greedy and take it to the next level .

One of the dudes name RonDu who robbed and shoot at Azie and killed those people, one of them also did home invasion on Fat Cat girlfriend house.

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?

vlad ask him here



He says some people were salty he cooperated but at the end of the day he says they tried to murder him out of nowhere + if he had them dudes killed police would have been on there ass

another interesting thing he says is that he thinks after Rich brother got killed Alpo thought everything was about to be over and that's why he killed rich
 

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?
I believe Kevin Chiles when he said Azie was a rat. He has paperwork with Azie's name mentioning him. Also, I read Azie's autobiography and he said he used to date a cop while he was at his peak. That type of shyt makes you think...
 

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I believe Kevin Chiles when he said Azie was a rat. He has paperwork with Azie's name mentioning him. Also, I read Azie's autobiography and he said he used to date a cop while he was at his peak. That type of shyt makes you think...
to be fair, i explained on this page why Azie told. To be frank, I don't blame him. On a street level his sister's boyfriend came home from prison and he gave him money car and dude wanted to hustle and Azie was goin to give him a dude who would sell for him but instead he had Azie set up and those dudes killed several innocent civilians and shot Azie in the head . Yes Azie could have got his crew looking for them but this is why the streets is retarded cause no one complained that Azie was greedy and he let people eat and fed his crew yet it's always someone that will mess everything up and that led to cops on Azie. Of course it's all negativity they all guilty on that level but once again all that who snitch and who ratted meanwhile dudes killing women and young female in that apartment.that's breaking the rules in itself.
 

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I explained on this page why Azie told. To be frank, I don't blame him. On a street level his sister boyfriend came home from prison and he gave him money car and dude wanted to hustle and Azie was goin to give him a dude who would sell for him but instead he had Azie set up and those dudes killed several innocent civilians and shot Azie in the head . Yes Azie could have got his crew looking for them but this is why the streets is retarded cause no one complained that Azie was greedy but he let people eat and fed his crew yet it's always someone that will mess everything up and that led to cops on Azie. Of course it's all negativity they all guilty but once again all that who snitch who ratted meanwhile dudes killing women and kids .
what are you talking about? Kevin Chiles had nothing to do with Azie getting shot and robbed. That's a whole different situation. Chiles was getting money like Alpo, Rich Porter, Azie and many others at the time too. When Chiles does his interviews, he brings official paperwork with names on it. I was shocked as everyone else when he produced paperwork with Azie's name on it lol. Kevin Chiles is not the guy that robbed and shot Azie along with his family. Chile's started Don Diva magazine.
 

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Rich,Stan, Darryl
Contrary to popular belief, Alpo and Rich became cool later on but they all had their own click and Alpo was from East Side it wasn't like Alpo and Rich were everyday close types but not justifying anything

On side note, Did rich have preacher kill one of his friends bother for selling on his turf? I saw a video about that on YouTube.if I find it I'll post it. But the Darryl dude got shoot out with cops and was paralyzed waist down from shooting and got multi million dollar settlement but later reversed due to his criminal history and whatever else the judge said. .
 

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I never mentioned anything about Kevin Chiles.perhaps you misunderstood fam . Azie got shot from his sister's boyfriend goons that rushed the apartment and the two dudes shot (killed) the people that was in the apartment with Azie and the sisters boyfriend that set it up ran was caught days later.the original explanation was about why Azie testified and I broke down how the streets is retarded and folks talks about snitching yet dudes killed women in that apartment and put heat on the block and Azie out of greed.

Side note, that's sad how Kevin mom died though.
yeah but you quoted me when I said that Kevin Chiles said Azie was a rat and you explained the story of Azie being robbed. What I'm talking about is a completely different situation from him telling on someone that attacked him.
 

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yeah but you quoted me when I said that Kevin Chiles said Azie was a rat and you explained the story of Azie being robbed. What I'm talking about is a completely different situation from him telling on someone that attacked him.
My fault I'll erase it
 

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to be fair, i explained on this page why Azie told. To be frank, I don't blame him. On a street level his sister's boyfriend came home from prison and he gave him money car and dude wanted to hustle and Azie was goin to give him a dude who would sell for him but instead he had Azie set up and those dudes killed several innocent civilians and shot Azie in the head . Yes Azie could have got his crew looking for them but this is why the streets is retarded cause no one complained that Azie was greedy and he let people eat and fed his crew yet it's always someone that will mess everything up and that led to cops on Azie. Of course it's all negativity they all guilty on that level but once again all that who snitch and who ratted meanwhile dudes killing women and young female in that apartment.that's breaking the rules in itself.

I don't even know where to start with this. These threads always show whose really been in these rooms or amongst these personalities and who hasn't, and who just sees this stuff as folklore or entertainment, and who is just speculating for random reasons...

You may not blame Azie for snitching but just because you show love to people doesn't mean there's a pass on not trying to hurt you...

The streets are retarded because it's a never ending cycle of destruction, not this bullshyt reasoning you coming with. If Azie wasn't greedy he woulda quit while he was ahead but the problem with seeing real paper is you delude yourself and become greedy, it's never enough. You're always chasing a higher high, in this sense that means more money...

If you think cops weren't on Azie's radar until he got shot, you big tripping. That's not how this works, fam, especially when you're eating the way he was...

The justification for why he told is ridiculous but it's a common excuse snitches make. Furthermore, if the thing about him snitching on Kevin Chiles is true, he was a snitch anyway and will use any reasoning he can to save his own neck and protect his own interests....

You made a comment earlier that I need to clarify: I'm not memorializing any of these dudes. They are all overrated and they all had their hand in destruction as you and others have pointed out. But whether you realize it or not, and I'd be the first to say it's nonsensical, but there is a moral structure in that immoral lifestyle. It's why snitching is looked down upon in the first place. It doesn't mean people don't break all the rules because they do but there is a moral structure cats understand...

Women who affiliate knowingly with street figures aren't true civilians, and they are part of the cycle. These are the same women who hold contraband or transport it for their significant other's, brothers, fathers, etc. They'll lie to protect their loved ones interests. They'll affiliate with these dudes as long as they are enjoying the fruits of the labor their loved ones are putting in...

There are also women who are more active participants who deal or hurt people directly, so there really isn't a law that you don't hurt women, it's a nuanced grey area thing. You don't go around beefing with women because that life has a level of misogyny to it too, and you're viewed as weak if you seek out confrontations with women, but women that are part of the culture aren't civilians and this is pretty well understood outside...

Harming children and babies is a real problem. Harming real civilians is an inconsistent grey area thing...
 

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?

Azie never snitched. He only told on the his sister's boyfriend and that was because he and his accomplices shot him nine times, killed three others and wounded two others. He was granted immunity from his past crimes and couldn't be prosecuted if he took the stand.
 

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One question I had though is how did Azie get away with catching a case?

They must have known he was in the game for years before he retired ... how the fukk did Azie not catch a few years too or did they only care about murders at that time?

Why does no one mention the fact that Azie also snitched? Cos it was different circumstance?
Who A snitched on?
 
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