Concerning VIolence
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These dudes really erasing the factual existence of indigenous peoples of the Pre-Americas.
Next they'll say the Aztecs and the Mayans were black .
THEY CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS...the Untold History of Africans in the Americas
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These dudes really erasing the factual existence of indigenous peoples of the Pre-Americas.
Next they'll say the Aztecs and the Mayans were black .
Theres a lot of evidence by MesoAmerican scholars who think Sertima is full of shyt though: Ivan Van Sertima - Wikipedia @Swagnificent
So now you creating your own rules.
There are only 3 races. Black, White, and East Asian.
Everyone is either one of these 3 races or some mixture of them. For example, a lot of native Americans are descended from east Asians. Indians are descended from both whites and blacks. Whites in the north and blacks to the south. North Africans are mulatto. Most modern day Arabs are either white or mulatto. Pacific Islanders are either black or east Asian.
The people we today call Olmecs would be considered black since they would physically resemble modern day west Africans.
Columbus never touched America, breh.
Even the title of this book is smart-dumb.
Journals of the Spanish about the first encounters of the great Taíno s
Look how silly u sound, u going off lips and a nose as the features that make the Olmec black.
All u have to do is google the natives from Mexico and u can see that the natives of TODAY resemble the Olmec rocks.. u think that’s just a coincidence?
Or do u think those people who resemble the Olmec are black?
If u do some research then u can find more Olmec artifacts(masks) that even make them look Asian.
If we go by the theory that there is only three races, then they are highly likely from Asia.
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
These dudes really erasing the factual existence of indigenous peoples of the Pre-Americas.
Next they'll say the Aztecs and the Mayans were black .
shyt is wild disrespectful
dudes need to stop trying to steal and erase other people's histories.
Jesus Bhrist
All Star
We’re discussing the stolen history of Africans in America & the first thing you can think of is your perceived access to white women???
I swear the death of the black community is our relentless need to be romantic options for clear people.
My nikka where the fukk did I say In my post that i was fighting for access to OVERRATED CAVE bytchES, somebody linked a Twitter post of Tariq telling brothers to read all of J.A. Rogers Books, and all 3 volumes of sex and race discuss the topic of consensual miscegenation between blacks, whites and non-blacks which would completely shed light on the complexities of interracial pairings seeing that it's been going on for thousands of years , my theory is this is where Tariq got the negro bedwench trope from, there's even a book on mulatto communities that had autonomy and certain privileges during slavery which is pertinent to J.A. ROGERS BOOKS SEEING HOW HE WAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS THREAD....so chill bro you never seen me post about pawgs or make 100s of threads like other nikkaz on here Lusting over basic white bytches, but I don't dikk police and there are attractive white women out there, it's ok bro the world is not going to end if a black man decides to slut out some gutter white bytch
I never stated that they were, I stated that they (The Tainos) mentioned to Columbus that the ppl before them were black ppl. Columbus came around the 15th century. Civilization there didn't start in the 15th century.
StretfordRed
Afro-European
There’s a very active part of Native American scholars who talk about the attempted black washing of their history
Not read much of it but it seems like it’s whats potentially going on in this thread. But I’m just viewing from the outside
Pit Bull
GATOR
Ivan Van Sertima, nor anyone in this thread has said that the Olmecs were African. They Came Before Columbus was not about claiming the Olmecs were African people. He's saying that Africans were coming to the Americas before Columbus "discovered" the land, and in his book he presents the evidence. That other shyt you nikkas talking is some cac shyt to make him sound like a quack. They were depicted in some of their art such as this head. People never even read the shyt or heard the man speak but got an opinion on it. Posting racist cacademia bullshyt trying to discredit the man. Yall don't even know what the book is about but trying to say it's wrong.
Tell me where does this say the Olmecs were African?
"They Came Before Columbus reveals a compelling, dramatic, and superbly detailed documentation of the presence and legacy of Africans in ancient America. Examining navigation and shipbuilding; cultural analogies between Native Americans and Africans; the transportation of plants, animals, and textiles between the continents; and the diaries, journals, and oral accounts of the explorers themselves, Ivan Van Sertima builds a pyramid of evidence to support his claim of an African presence in the New World centuries before Columbus. Combining impressive scholarship with a novelist’s gift for storytelling, Van Sertima re-creates some of the most powerful scenes of human history: the launching of the great ships of Mali in 1310 (two hundred master boats and two hundred supply boats), the sea expedition of the Mandingo king in 1311, and many others. In They Came Before Columbus, we see clearly the unmistakable face and handprint of black Africans in pre-Columbian America, and their overwhelming impact on the civilizations they encountered."
Tell me where does this say the Olmecs were African?
"They Came Before Columbus reveals a compelling, dramatic, and superbly detailed documentation of the presence and legacy of Africans in ancient America. Examining navigation and shipbuilding; cultural analogies between Native Americans and Africans; the transportation of plants, animals, and textiles between the continents; and the diaries, journals, and oral accounts of the explorers themselves, Ivan Van Sertima builds a pyramid of evidence to support his claim of an African presence in the New World centuries before Columbus. Combining impressive scholarship with a novelist’s gift for storytelling, Van Sertima re-creates some of the most powerful scenes of human history: the launching of the great ships of Mali in 1310 (two hundred master boats and two hundred supply boats), the sea expedition of the Mandingo king in 1311, and many others. In They Came Before Columbus, we see clearly the unmistakable face and handprint of black Africans in pre-Columbian America, and their overwhelming impact on the civilizations they encountered."
GetInTheTruck
Member
They were an ancient egypto-nubian race that sailed over here after a war with barbarous caucasoid hybrids from the Mediterranean decimated their population, particularly the young men and women. They had no choice but to send their older men out on a survival expedition, but before they did that they altered their genes in order to mask their intentions because this voyage of course had to be kept secret. Not only that, but they also had to manufacture an entirely new language in order to avoid detection lest their true identities be exposed and their plans foiled. No records were kept of this voyage, the only thing we really know is that when they arrived in the Americas they were greeted by a savage people in desperate need of civilization. These great civilizers, who because of their advanced age, knowledge, and wisdom were called "Old Macs," or "Elder Macs" by the straight haired savages, would eventually become known as the "Olmec" over time. The rock sculptures were cut to honor these old macs from Egypt, whom the savages considered to be Gods.
DaKidFromNoWhere
Superstar
While you all talking about CACS not acknowledging this the Natives are not also.
They been sold us out for that check and recognition.
They been sold us out for that check and recognition.
SlimeyLilDude
Richest shooter
The orgin of FBA. This is the reason Tariq use Foundational Black Americans
Start at 40:35
https://www.washingtonpost.com/hist...stery-first-enslaved-africans-what-became-us/
The country is marking the 400th anniversary of the arrival of the first enslaved Africans to the English colony of Jamestown. The significance of their arrival cannot be overstated; from that moment onward, slavery existed in the colonies that became the United States in an unending chain until the passage of the 13th Amendment nearly 250 years later.
But those “20 and odd Negroes” were not the first enslaved Africans to set foot on the continental U.S. That happened 93 years earlier when Spanish explorers brought 100 slaves with them to a doomed settlement in what is now South Carolina or Georgia. Within weeks of their arrival, those enslaved Africans revolted. Then they vanished.
She was captured and enslaved 400 years ago. Now Angela symbolizes a brutal history.
In order to understand their story, it is important to know who brought them there and who else was enslaved.
Start at 40:35
https://www.washingtonpost.com/hist...stery-first-enslaved-africans-what-became-us/
The country is marking the 400th anniversary of the arrival of the first enslaved Africans to the English colony of Jamestown. The significance of their arrival cannot be overstated; from that moment onward, slavery existed in the colonies that became the United States in an unending chain until the passage of the 13th Amendment nearly 250 years later.
But those “20 and odd Negroes” were not the first enslaved Africans to set foot on the continental U.S. That happened 93 years earlier when Spanish explorers brought 100 slaves with them to a doomed settlement in what is now South Carolina or Georgia. Within weeks of their arrival, those enslaved Africans revolted. Then they vanished.
She was captured and enslaved 400 years ago. Now Angela symbolizes a brutal history.
In order to understand their story, it is important to know who brought them there and who else was enslaved.
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SlimeyLilDude
Richest shooter
By the early 1520s, nearly all of the indigenous people in the Spanish colony of Hispaniola were dead. Enslaved Africans were brought in to replace them in the backbreaking search for gold — gold that was getting harder and harder to find.
Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón, a government functionary in the colony, wanted to start a settlement of his own, and he got permission from the King and Queen of Spain to send scouts sailing up the east coast of what is now the United States to find a good spot. According to historian and anthropologist Guy E. Cameron, that permission came with the specific instructions that they build friendly relationships with any indigenous people they encountered.
The scouts returned with details of the coastline of what is now South Carolina and Georgia and something else — 70 indigenous people they had abducted and enslaved.
Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón, a government functionary in the colony, wanted to start a settlement of his own, and he got permission from the King and Queen of Spain to send scouts sailing up the east coast of what is now the United States to find a good spot. According to historian and anthropologist Guy E. Cameron, that permission came with the specific instructions that they build friendly relationships with any indigenous people they encountered.
The scouts returned with details of the coastline of what is now South Carolina and Georgia and something else — 70 indigenous people they had abducted and enslaved.
SlimeyLilDude
Richest shooter
Ayllón was angry; kidnapping was not exactly a building block of comity and friendship. Still, he did not order their immediate return. Soon the captives all started to die “of sorrow and hunger, for they would not eat,” according to a Spanish historian at the time.
One of the captives, named Francisco, survived. He quickly picked up Spanish, and Ayllón grew to like him. Ayllón brought Francisco to Spain to help convince the king and queen that although the scouting missions had not gone as planned, they should still be allowed to colonize. Francisco told them how amazing the land was — just like Spain! — and how welcoming his people, the Shakori, would be. He embellished quite a bit, Cameron wrote, and it is easy to see why: Convincing the Spanish to sail back to the Carolina coast was the only way he could get home.
Detail of a 1529 map showing the "Land of Ayllon," the doomed settlement of San Miguel de Gualdape. (Diego Ribero /Library of Congress)
Permission granted, Ayllón and Francisco sailed for Hispaniola, where they gathered people and supplies for their settlement. A few months later, likely in early June of 1526, they had 500 colonists, 100 enslaved Africans, plus livestock, plants and provisions packed onto three ships.
They arrived on Aug. 9 and immediately ran into a big problem when one of the ships sank. They managed to rescue all of the passengers but lost most of their food.
As soon as they were on land, Francisco disappeared into the trees, leaving the colonists no way to communicate with their new neighbors. The colonists settled farther south — between South Carolina’s Pee Dee River and Georgia’s Sapelo Island — named it San Miguel de Gualdape and ordered the enslaved Africans to clear the land and start building homes and a church.
They had arrived too late in the season to plant crops, however, and with the food supplies destroyed, the colonists began to starve. Plus, as Cameron’s research with Stephen Vermette in the Georgia Historical Quarterly indicates, they experienced an unusually cold fall.
Powhatan and his people: The 15,000 American Indians shoved aside by Jamestown’s settlers
Then, an unknown infectious disease spread through the settlement. And a group of settlers who sought help from indigenous neighbors were killed. Within a few months, 350 of the 500 settlers had died. It is unknown how many of the enslaved people perished; the Spanish did not keep a count.
Then, on Oct. 18, Ayllón himself died. His chosen successor did not sit well with some of the settlers, and two factions developed. Then, the Spanish historian wrote, “it happened that some of the Negro slaves independently set fire to [a leader’s] house … and as the fire burnt they all gathered to kill him; and in this way they managed to escape.”
Thus the first enslaved Africans known to have been brought to the continent were also the first to revolt.
“It appears that the Africans ran into the forest, never to be seen again,” Cameron wrote.
Weeks later, when the remaining Spanish bailed on the settlement and sailed away, there was no mention of any enslaved Africans onboard.
The birthplace of American slavery debated abolishing it after Nat Turner’s bloody revolt
It is impossible to know what happened to the Africans when they escaped into the forest. There are no written records. Would the Shakori or another indigenous group have recognized them as victims of the Spanish and taken them in? Or would they have seen them as an extension of the colonizers and killed them? Would they have been able to survive on their own?
Little is known about the Shakori today, but Cameron speculates they probably would have helped the Africans so long as it did not negatively impact their own preparations for winter. It is also possible some of the Africans traveled south as winter approached; Africans knew about the movement of the moon and stars, and would have known that the weather would be warmer farther south, Cameron wrote.
A Brass Ankle family near Summerville, S.C., in December 1938. The Brass Ankles are a tri-racial isolate group believed to be descended from runaway enslaved Africans, white indentured servants and Native Americans. (Marion Post Wolcott/Library of Congress)
Legends about “Black Indians,” tri-racial isolate groups and maroon communities abound in the southeastern United States. The Lumbee of North Carolina surmise they are descended from Native Americans who intermarried with white settlers and freed African slaves. The Brass Ankles of South Carolina are believed to come from intermarried runaway African slaves, white indentured servants and Native Americans, although that is just a theory. They were classified as “free people of color” before the Civil War.
Could some of their ancestors be those very first runaways? It is impossible to know.
In 1920, black historian Carter G. Woodson observed, “One of the longest unwritten chapters in the history of the United States is that treating the relations of the Negroes and the Indians.”
One of the captives, named Francisco, survived. He quickly picked up Spanish, and Ayllón grew to like him. Ayllón brought Francisco to Spain to help convince the king and queen that although the scouting missions had not gone as planned, they should still be allowed to colonize. Francisco told them how amazing the land was — just like Spain! — and how welcoming his people, the Shakori, would be. He embellished quite a bit, Cameron wrote, and it is easy to see why: Convincing the Spanish to sail back to the Carolina coast was the only way he could get home.
Detail of a 1529 map showing the "Land of Ayllon," the doomed settlement of San Miguel de Gualdape. (Diego Ribero /Library of Congress)
Permission granted, Ayllón and Francisco sailed for Hispaniola, where they gathered people and supplies for their settlement. A few months later, likely in early June of 1526, they had 500 colonists, 100 enslaved Africans, plus livestock, plants and provisions packed onto three ships.
They arrived on Aug. 9 and immediately ran into a big problem when one of the ships sank. They managed to rescue all of the passengers but lost most of their food.
As soon as they were on land, Francisco disappeared into the trees, leaving the colonists no way to communicate with their new neighbors. The colonists settled farther south — between South Carolina’s Pee Dee River and Georgia’s Sapelo Island — named it San Miguel de Gualdape and ordered the enslaved Africans to clear the land and start building homes and a church.
They had arrived too late in the season to plant crops, however, and with the food supplies destroyed, the colonists began to starve. Plus, as Cameron’s research with Stephen Vermette in the Georgia Historical Quarterly indicates, they experienced an unusually cold fall.
Powhatan and his people: The 15,000 American Indians shoved aside by Jamestown’s settlers
Then, an unknown infectious disease spread through the settlement. And a group of settlers who sought help from indigenous neighbors were killed. Within a few months, 350 of the 500 settlers had died. It is unknown how many of the enslaved people perished; the Spanish did not keep a count.
Then, on Oct. 18, Ayllón himself died. His chosen successor did not sit well with some of the settlers, and two factions developed. Then, the Spanish historian wrote, “it happened that some of the Negro slaves independently set fire to [a leader’s] house … and as the fire burnt they all gathered to kill him; and in this way they managed to escape.”
Thus the first enslaved Africans known to have been brought to the continent were also the first to revolt.
“It appears that the Africans ran into the forest, never to be seen again,” Cameron wrote.
Weeks later, when the remaining Spanish bailed on the settlement and sailed away, there was no mention of any enslaved Africans onboard.
The birthplace of American slavery debated abolishing it after Nat Turner’s bloody revolt
It is impossible to know what happened to the Africans when they escaped into the forest. There are no written records. Would the Shakori or another indigenous group have recognized them as victims of the Spanish and taken them in? Or would they have seen them as an extension of the colonizers and killed them? Would they have been able to survive on their own?
Little is known about the Shakori today, but Cameron speculates they probably would have helped the Africans so long as it did not negatively impact their own preparations for winter. It is also possible some of the Africans traveled south as winter approached; Africans knew about the movement of the moon and stars, and would have known that the weather would be warmer farther south, Cameron wrote.
A Brass Ankle family near Summerville, S.C., in December 1938. The Brass Ankles are a tri-racial isolate group believed to be descended from runaway enslaved Africans, white indentured servants and Native Americans. (Marion Post Wolcott/Library of Congress)
Legends about “Black Indians,” tri-racial isolate groups and maroon communities abound in the southeastern United States. The Lumbee of North Carolina surmise they are descended from Native Americans who intermarried with white settlers and freed African slaves. The Brass Ankles of South Carolina are believed to come from intermarried runaway African slaves, white indentured servants and Native Americans, although that is just a theory. They were classified as “free people of color” before the Civil War.
Could some of their ancestors be those very first runaways? It is impossible to know.
In 1920, black historian Carter G. Woodson observed, “One of the longest unwritten chapters in the history of the United States is that treating the relations of the Negroes and the Indians.”