There’s a serious war going on right now regarding Kamala Harris blackness and her lineage

[xoxodede]

You just described the Trump clan though

This is the issue.

This is going to get worse.

Black Americans who want to be identified by ethnicity/lineage -- whether they label themselves as "ADOS" or supporters of the so-called "ADOS movement" or not -- will be blamed and mocked for laying claim and putting up much needed boundaries. But, this is necessary.

Trump and others are indeed going to use this against us -- it's known - and I anticipate that -- and I hate it.

But, it's something that needs to happen. I'm sorry.

Black Americans/ADOS have been on this before "the Trump Clan" or his son retweeting and deleting that post. We know our people. She is not. Everyone can lay claim to their culture/ethnicity/accomplishments -- Kenyans, Nigerians, Jamaicans, Caribbean, etc -- but when it comes to Black Americans/AA -- everyone wants to be on this -- it's every bodies to claim, everybody helped -- this United Diaspora thing helped ADOS become who we are -- and made our culture. NO.

And most non-ADOS and apparently half-ADOS who identify with their non-Black American side --really and truly think we don't have a culture outside of the arts -- and hip-hop. It's disrespectful AF.

It's not divisive -- it's facts -- and it's respectable that non-ADOS/Black Americans -- who are not descended from Colonial and Antebellum era Chattel Slavery -- allow us to speak and define for ourselves and our culture/ethnicity and who is apart/descended from it.

Don't think just cause you have Black skin, have ancestors from Africa and you and your family who immigrated in -- deal with racism/discrimination and went to an HBCU that you can speak and be us. You can't. I can't be a Jamaican just by being Black in Jamaican -- and dealing with racism. It's a culture/history/ethnicity/lineage that comes with that -- same for us.

This "we all Black" thing is played. We may be all Black in race but not in culture/ethnicity/lineage -- and it's time for boundaries to be finally put in place.

People think you have Black skin in America - and again get discriminated against and deal with racism - then you are Black American. NO. You are Black and you are a American -- but you are not apart of the Black American ethnicity/lineage/culture.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Harris is exactly who we need not get behind.

I have not seen one person in here say they are voting for Harris. I'm not getting behind Harris but I'm also not getting behind Trump stirring shyt up and then going back into the shadows. He got what he wanted with that tweet.

 

[saturn7]

People are making this about everything else but what it's really about. This is about a White race American man questioning the experiences and authenticity of a Black race American woman. Putting her policies and likability aside, what Donald Jr did was problematic and he knows it because he deleted the tweet. Unless Harris is claiming she is ADOS, I dont see what she did wrong. She only talked about her plight as a Black race woman in the USA. She has a right to do that even if she is unlikable or has policies you do not agree with.

What Trump Jr did is play the Birther card. Questioning if she is really an American citizen.

What ADOS has done (we was on Kamala's neck since 2017!!) is just point out that Harris does not share our LINEAGE. We never questioned her citizenship status.

We have identified that she is not for Black Americans not due to some conspiracy theories but due TO HER OWN RECORD AS PROSECUTOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

Don't conflate the right wings new Birther angle against Kamala with ADOS reasons for not supporting her.

Tone and Yvette have to make this clear and not look like our criticisms of Kamala are the same as these Birthers.

 

[Pressure]

Do you have any other arguments against ADOS then this tired shyt you repeat everyday???

The issues ADOS has with America and this political system have NOTHING to do with Trump or whoever is in the WH right now.

Act like Democratic benign neglect only started one Trump became President.

Outside of reparations the ADOS narrative doesn't hold for a distinctive shared black experience that is unique from the experience of other blacks in America.

Racism isn't that nuanced.

 

[Pressure]

People are making this about everything else but what it's really about. This is about a White race American man questioning the experiences and authenticity of a Black race American woman. Putting her policies and likability aside, what Donald Jr did was problematic and he knows it because he deleted the tweet. Unless Harris is claiming she is ADOS, I dont see what she did wrong. She only talked about her plight as a Black race woman in the USA. She has a right to do that even if she is unlikable or has policies you do not agree with.

People are really letting racist whites define blackness for them.

 

[Artenche]

ADOS is made to divide black people in America.

 

[Concerning VLoLence]

Outside of reparations the ADOS narrative doesn't hold for a distinctive shared black experience that is unique from the experience of other blacks in America.

Racism isn't that nuanced.

Actually it is

Preference for Second-Generation African Immigrants Over Native-Born Black Americans: A College Admission Simulation...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01973533.2017.1390751?journalCode=hbas20&

 

[xoxodede]

Define “strong black American vote”. 80%?

John Kerry 4 years prior a white man with a white wife got 88% of the black vote

There was a record high of Black Voters in 2008 and in the 2012 election. Higher than anyone - especially John Kerry..lol. Barack had 96% and signed up/encourage new voters.

Source: Winning the Race: Black Voter Turnout in the 2008 Presidential Election on JSTOR

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The black voter turnout rate declined for the first time in 20 years in a presidential election, falling to 59.6% in 2016 after reaching a record-high 66.6% in 2012. The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. (It’s also the largest percentage-point decline among any racial or ethnic group since white voter turnout dropped from 70.2% in 1992 to 60.7% in 1996.) The number of black voters also declined, falling by about 765,000 to 16.4 million in 2016, representing a sharp reversal from 2012. With Barack Obama on the ballot that year, the black voter turnout rate surpassed that of whites for the first time. Among whites, the 65.3% turnout rate in 2016 represented a slight increase from 64.1% in 2012.

Source: Black voter turnout fell in 2016 US election

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Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout. As in past years, black women turned out at a higher rate than black men.

Source: Exit polls: How Obama won

More sources:
Minority Turnout Determined the 2012 Election​

 

[xoxodede]

ADOS is made to divide black people in America.

Exactly. As it should. We are all different ethnicities/cultures/lineages. You and I are not the same -- just cause we have Black skin, deal with racism -- and ancestors are from Africa.

To not allow Black Americans to have and lay claim to their ethnicity - which is unique is not cool -- and it doesn't show respect.

 

[saturn7]

ADOS is made to divide black people in America.

Divide us from what????

Motherfukkers who don't share our lineage and don't have our same specific claim and needs??

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Show me a prosector the coli actually likes.

 

[xoxodede]

Outside of reparations the ADOS narrative doesn't hold for a distinctive shared black experience that is unique from the experience of other blacks in America.

Racism isn't that nuanced.

What are you saying? Besides reparations -- we are not different or unique from those who immigrated here?

ADOS isn't about experiencing racism or discrimination. It's a ethnicity/lineage. What is so hard to get?

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Black Americans/ADOS have been on this before "the Trump Clan" or his son retweeting and deleting that post. We know our people. She is not.

Dede you know I respect you alot. You are one of my favorite posters on here but can you find me a clip or quote of Harris saying that she is ADOS? She is a black race woman in America. She looks like a black race woman and she described the plight of a black race woman to Joe Biden at the debate. Me, you or Trump jr have not walked in her shoes but I'm certain me and you can understand the she described. I'm not claiming that she is ADOS but I'm not going to discredit her blackness.

 

[Pressure]

7

Actually it is

Preference for Second-Generation African Immigrants Over Native-Born Black Americans: A College Admission Simulation...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01973533.2017.1390751?journalCode=hbas20&

Studies have also shown that immigrant blacks outpace whites as selective schools as well. The conclusion was that it had more to do with resources of immigrant blacks than anything else.

That falls in line with trends showing well of families children are more likely to end up in college.

I'm not sure this has anything to do with race as much as it's an indicator that college admissions aren't merely based on merit and showing that blacks make up much of the core poor demographic in this country.

 

[Pressure]

What are you saying? Besides reparations -- we are not different or unique from those who immigrated here?

ADOS isn't about experience racism or discrimination. It's a ethnicity/lineage. What is so hard to get?

Southern blacks and Northern blacks have distinct cultural differences.