Religion/Spirituality Theism Discussion (Abrahamic Religions, Religious Philosophy, etc.)

[Black Magisterialness]

Religion and science should coexist....i don't think we have the ability of complex, objective and abstract thought to just think about bullshyt.






Who's to say if God speaks it doesn't make a "bang"

 

[theworldismine13]

 

[wize fool]

Religion and science should coexist....i don't think we have the ability of complex, objective and abstract thought to just think about bullshyt.






Who's to say if God speaks it doesn't make a "bang"

Islam and science have coexisted for years. A Muslim developed the scientific method by studying Allah's creation.

 

[Blackking]

Just a couple of questions.

Are these two things synonymous in modern times (last 1-2 thousand years)? Why is Christianity the main characteristic of the West?

Can you be a Christian and still speak out against the results of Western influence on the nations of the world?

What are the ways that the domination of the West (US, W Europe) in the world - has helped the nations in Africa, South America, and Asia?

Is it right for someone to be a minority in a Western nation and champion the history and foreign policy of that nation?--- like for a black, Asian or Arab person screaming USA at a GOP convention... or just being patriotic.

 

[theworldismine13]

"yo man, nikkaz is dying in the streets, why dont you address real issues!"

 

[WhiteDawg3000]

was hopin this thread would do numbers, would have liked to see the responses...

 

[NZA]

yeah, it does seem synonymous considering how gentiles all over the world became christian primarily through some overtly imperialist act, or incidentally imperialist acts.

yes, a christian can speak against western influence because christians, as a whole, have little consensus on practically everything. the population is too big to be held to any consistency. case in point, the way christianity in the american south was used by both whites and blacks on opposite sides of racial politics. both are authentically christian because there is no real authority keeping score.

help is of course subjective. it helped give a written language to some people who didnt use one prior, ultimately, the gains of western humanism have filtered into some people's consciousness, so there is at least a little tension in communities that practice anti-human policies like female circumsision, or suppression of free speech.i cant objectively say that anything is a benefit to people because im sure there are people with counter arguments. foreign written languages can erode native culture, and humanism's focus on individual rights can break down social cohesion.

i guess it is right if that person feels the nation has a public contract with them as a citizen or resident that is mutually beneficial to them. also, that minority may have a home country that is dangerous or oppressive, making their western home better almost by default if it is at least somewhat progressive.

 

[jadillac]

This is not scriptural.

Doesnt the bible say "all are born in sin, shapen in inequity" "You must be born again to enter heaven" etc. According to theology, you're a born sinner and have no choice in the matter bc Adam did the damage.

Isn't that why people baptize their babies, ya know....just to be safe?

But it would be pretty hard to praise/believe in a god who didn't stop(or caused it to happen) that violent tornado in Oklahoma that not only killed the kids, but caused them to die by drowning helplessly in the school basement. THEN send them to hell to be burned & tortured even further for zillions of years. What did they do? Oh I know, they were born human, or maybe they sheepishly lied about taking a cookie outta the cookie jar.

That's a pretty tough sell for religion, nobodys gonna follow that, nobody's gonna give money, etc. That's a worse act than any human would ever do. No human would do that, so surely no god would, right? But that excuse can't fly b/c "gods ways are not our ways", right?

So let's create this idea that there's an age of accountability. Some non-descript age that a person is eligible for hell. Nobody knows what it is exactly....maybe 15, maybe 13....maybe 19 for some.

Oh and while we're at it, this idea about eternal fire and torture....yeah that's a bit crazy....no ones gonna follow that a supposed loving god is gonna torture people in hell for trillions of years. People like Ghandi(and the ones before him) are burning in eternal fire right now...some average Chinese farmer who worked on his farm al his life to provide for his family is burning and being tortured by the devil.....
So let's soften this a little.

Let's create purgatory. A place where people go for a little while. Maybe there's fire there, maybe not. Until they're clean then they get to go to heaven.

Everybody wins.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I'm glad you found the idea of children burning in hell humorous this morning.

 

[Bud Bundy]

depends on which denomination you are part of

mormans can baptize you even if you die so they get around that problem.

 

[jadillac]

I'm glad you found the idea of children burning in hell humorous this morning.

Nowhere did I say it was funny. You clearly didnt read my post.

Do that before you speak, please.

Thanks.

 

[jadillac]

depends on which domination you are part of

mormans can baptize you even if you die so they get around that problem.

I dont think most people, at least none I grew up aroudn consider Mormons to be "real" Christians. Even Catholics get the look from many baptist or other christians sects, but at least they go by the bible.........asking church ppl to read the book of Mormon was . Almost akin to reading the koran or buddishm texts

 

[p00rky]

You wasted your time posting all that. People are going to read the title and post something negative without even reading your post.

 

[Bud Bundy]

I dont think most people, at least none I grew up aroudn consider Mormons to be "real" Christians. Even Catholics get the look from many baptist or other christians sects, but at least they go by the bible.........asking church ppl to read the book of Mormon was . Almost akin to reading the koran or buddishm texts

if you look at the history all those denominations who split from the Catholics (even the orthodox) are not not real Christians in the eyes of the Catholic church. But just for the shake of continuity I just place all followers of Christ as Chirstians no matter which version you believe in.

 

[jadillac]

You wasted your time posting all that. People are going to read the title and post something negative without even reading your post.

It already happened. LOL

Didn't take but a couple minutes to type as I thought of it. Just trying to make people think a little.