The Weeknd - STARBOY (Discussion Thread)

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If we are being really honest, it's very obvious that the Weeknd is much more well adjusted and functional, then some of the most raving fans of 'Trilogy' realized....You see him in person, in concert, and it's clear, that while he did live as a somewhat transient (emotionally, literally, etc) early 20 something in the streets of Toronto, he wasn't an out of control drug addict Patrick Bateman of downtown Toronto. Like many great artists, he channeled his moments of greatest pain, weakness, hedonisim into great art...but his music was never as simple as being high, or poor, or sober, or famous. That does it a great disservice.

Weeknd is 100% capable of making that same kind of music, it will never leave him. You hear it in songs like 'Wild Love', or 'Lonely Thoughts'. It's a sweeping generalization to dismiss his music as being the creation of drug/alcohol/ or a lifestyle....Not singling you out, but you hear this kind of theory frequently, on this forum, and outside. Songs like 'Enemy', or 'Til Dawn' would fit perfectly on here, as they did on his last one, songs like 'Ordinary Life', try for that feel, but they have shaved off the edges in his music, it's intentional, it's for mass consumption now. It takes someone of some depth and intelligence to appreciate his music, (less so on this latest) for what it really is. It's not about doing coke with hookers, that's the shallow, simple, surface level view. He just lacks song on here that feel authentic, and edgy, painful.
 

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this will easily mank amongst my fav albums this yr... also, i cant help notice belly has a number of writing credits on this. i cant help but wonder if he is to this album what supposedly weeknd was to take care
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If we are being really honest, it's very obvious that the Weeknd is much more well adjusted and functional, then some of the most raving fans of 'Trilogy' realized....You see him in person, in concert, and it's clear, that while he did live as a somewhat transient (emotionally, literally, etc) early 20 something in the streets of Toronto, he wasn't an out of control drug addict Patrick Bateman of downtown Toronto. Like many great artists, he channeled his moments of greatest pain, weakness, hedonisim into great art...but his music was never as simple as being high, or poor, or sober, or famous. That does it a great disservice.

Weeknd is 100% capable of making that same kind of music, it will never leave him. You hear it in songs like 'Wild Love', or 'Lonely Thoughts'. It's a sweeping generalization to dismiss his music as being the creation of drug/alcohol/ or a lifestyle....Not singling you out, but you hear this kind of theory frequently, on this forum, and outside. Songs like 'Enemy', or 'Til Dawn' would fit perfectly on here, as they did on his last one, songs like 'Ordinary Life', try for that feel, but they have shaved off the edges in his music, it's intentional, it's for mass consumption now. It takes someone of some depth and intelligence to appreciate his music, (less so on this latest) for what it really is. It's not about doing coke with hookers, that's the shallow, simple, surface level view. He just lacks song on here that feel authentic, and edgy, painful.
He 100% can't make that music again.

It's not about just doing drugs.

That music came from a real authentic place. It's filled with nihilism,depression,lack of confidence and self doubt. That very real place manifested in his early concerts. He really was that person


He isn't that person anymore. He's confident,happy, and successful. And again,that comes across in his concerts. He used to be shy and nervous. Now he owns the stage


Him trying to make that music is the equivalent of 50 cent trying to do that mixtape run again present day. Yeah,he's going through the motions,the words are similar but isn't real anymore because he isn't that person and that feeling cones across in the music.


Starboy is who he is now.

Even when he does drop drug references and shyt now,it just doesn't feel the same. It feels forced and shoe horned in where a song like I feel it coming comes across as Completely authentic and true to to his current self.
 

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'Wild Love', and 'Lonely Thoughts' channel that very well, the latter may be over a year old, but I don't think that disqualifies it. Even songs like 'Often', and 'The Hills', 'As You Are' channel that very effectively, those are all songs that wouldn't feel very out of place in 2011-2014. I don't see how it's arguable that he CAN and DOES make music like that, it's just not included very effectively on 'Starboy'.
 

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'Wild Love', and 'Lonely Thoughts' channel that very well, the latter may be over a year old, but I don't think that disqualifies it. Even songs like 'Often', and 'The Hills', 'As You Are' channel that very effectively, those are all songs that wouldn't feel very out of place in 2011-2014. I don't see how it's arguable that he CAN and DOES make music like that, it's just not included very effectively on 'Starboy'.
Often and the hills were both recorded before he blew up. Well before. He is not the same person since he recorded those. Those were fresh off kiss land not doing well and him admitting it crushed him as a person.


Secondly,nobody views wild love and lonely thoughts as that type of music at all. They don't sound anything like trilogy and lyrically and vocally are nothing like that either. Nor do they view as you are like that.

You can't juxtapose those songs with anything on trilogy.


Wild love sounds like modern production,very electronic and the "lyrics" are just repeating the word love 80 times.

I don't know how you make that connection at all.
 

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Because I am not asking for 'Trilogy' back...I mean the feeling of 'Trilogy', though I think it's closer then you are willing to admit sonically to some of those tracks....and that era in general. Songs that have an edge an emotional depth to them, that aren't simply feel good music, or rambling exercises in hollow drug/sex/money references.
 

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Because I am not asking for 'Trilogy' back...I mean the feeling of 'Trilogy', though I think it's closer then you are willing to admit sonically to some of those tracks....and that era in general. Songs that have an edge an emotional depth to them, that aren't simply feel good music, or rambling exercises in hollow drug/sex/money references.
Wild love is just repeating the word love 80 times. There is 0 depth or feeling to that song.
 

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