You are ahead of me, been listening to it in segments, got about 20 mins left lol.
The Underappreciated Genius Of K-Rino's Song Deprogrammed
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You are ahead of me, been listening to it in segments, got about 20 mins left lol.
Thanks, I'm going to make sure I check both.
We are on the same wavelength with the parts I bolded.It's so refreshing to have a conversation on hip hop that actually analyzes the effects socially. Not just who sold what and where their album ranked on billboard
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And the part about women being driven to be sexual or else they can't succeed is paralleled by the men being forced to rap about hoes, clothes and cars or killing other people. It's crazy that women are placed in this 2x2 sized box but most of the men of hip hop have yet to notice that their box is only 3x3. They are both being used, abused and tossed back out. And thats not even touching on how record label contracts are set up.
And in terms of women being seen as only hoes, one reason I always respected and loved Pimp C, is because even though his content seemed vulgar on the surface, he always voiced an opinion of respect for women. It was skewed at times but I could respect it. He always cautioned treating these hoes like ladies and these ladies like hoes ( Goes for both genders in my opinion). I'm not the most PC person and I understood where he was coming from. A woman can choose to be sexual and that didn't make her a hoe. It was her mentality and approach to life. Was she using people? Was she respecting herself and being upfront about who she was no matter what? It was a statement about integrity and character. I think most people who listened to him had that completely go over their heads. But I digress.
And I'm always open to new artists. My "underground" (I don't really like that term cause some underground music is just as bad as mainstream), taste ranges from Brother Ali and Little Brother to Saigon to Killer Mike to Immortal Technique to L.E for the Uncool and back.
My fav hip hop albums of all time are Illmatic, Ultramagnetics MCs self titled, Midnight Marauders, Minstrel Show, Food and Liquor, Pac Greatest hits/Me Against The World, Miseducation, Stalley Lincoln Way Nights, 400 Degrees, Ridin Dirty, Aquemini, Below The Heavens, 1&2nd Clipse albums, 1st 3 DMX, Anything DJ Quik, The Diary, KRS One Criminal minded, Common Be, Shadows Of The Sun.
I also tend to like rappers who lean towards Islam/Muslim subconsciously.
If that helps bring on the suggestions
And I enjoy talking to you. You are a good dude.
And low key that comment you made about genders being SEPARATE but still equal is so underrated and under valued in our society. I know as a black women the disadvantages that brings and why some feminism was heralded, but dammit if I don't think there are things men are better at BECAUSE they were made to be better at that. To compliment me. Yea I can chop wood but I don't want to if my husband has 2-3x my strength. And there are things I'm better at than him. Naturally. I just can't disrespect the men I see because I love and respect my brothers and father too much to want their rights to be taken just so I can FEEL equal. We aren't equal and that's ok. It's about balance.
No doubt, it's always good to have interesting productive intelligent conversation, like with yourself. Yeah, that isn't really ever a concern to me, I'm not going to not listen to an artist just cause they don't sell hugely nor will I listen to an artist who sells heavily because of that, I always judge just off the music.
That's interesting, you're right. There is that pressure sometimes to rap about pointless shyt just to "fit in", whether it's "hoes", materialism, violence etc. So you literally get some people where it's not them at all but they put on an act and persona because they think that's what they got to do. But it's not. You're completely right lol, at least within mainstream music, obviously outside of that it's far different, normally why it's much better infact, don't have those constraints.
You made this come to my mind...
So if there's a distinction that's fine with me, or even different songs but dealing with the different types, my problem is when it's blanket statements that label all women something. You can sometimes see the misogyny in the approach when it's clear they have some warped backwards issues with women. But some you can tell where they stand despite even making different kinds of songs.
"It was a statement about integrity and character"
You really made some brilliant exceptional points, and your intelligence shines through. THAT's exactly what it is, being promiscuous doesn't make someone a hoe, but if they are devious and scandalous it does, it's exactly what you said, about the integrity, character and approach. There's women I've known who have been promiscuous, I still respect them, all good, and there's some women who aren't but are hoes lol. If you trying to use people for money, possessions etc callously and heartlessly then both men and women got a right to call that out.
You're right, that's true, but I guess it's still an acceptable term cause it's pretty much associated with just being a synonym of under the radar.
Lol well Brother Ali was 1 of the artists I was going to recommend to you after skimming your post earlier, so since you like him already that's an encouraging sign lol.
This song also came to mind given some of the things you said.
Another idea might be also to at some point when you're free to go through my threads and see if there's anything that interests you.
Considering we were discussing women this thread came to mind also...
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/positive-hip-hop-songs-about-women.212774/
In regards to recommendations there's a lot....
From what you said about Islam....
Wise Intelligent/Poor Righteous Teachers
Public Enemy/Chuck D
Tragedy Khadafi/Intelligent Hoodlum
Rakim (The Seventh Seal album I felt was very slept on)
Shay D (she's muslim too, like her A LOT)
Big Daddy Kane
Malcolm X's daughter is on this song...
Bizzy Bone
Lowkey
This is a great song.....
You already mentioned Cormega I saw....
Also......
Talib Kweli
KRS-One
Also from your tastes it sounds like K-Rino is the perfect artist for you as he sums that up to a tee. Also he has so much material and releases so prolifically you will be good lol.
Ok well I don't wanna overload you with masses of stuff so I'll just reply to you again with more later lol....
But yeah there's many.
Thanks, you too, I always like talking Hip Hop so always cool to have substantive conversation. I just wanna see all good people be good, fulfil their potential and be happy and prosperous. So anytime about anything....
^^^ I love this song, the message, wisdom and depth. The realest type of material.
Lol, you are a wise person, you clearly know what you're talking about. Exactly, difference doesn't equate to better or worse, it's just different. Exactly so I'mma do things like carrying heavy things etc lol cause we aren't the same, made different and that's a positive thing, but it's always respect, care, support and love still. So each person can play a role that compliments the other based on their individual strengths and weaknesses.
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Props!!!!
You are in my head and I guess I'm on the right path spiritually cause I have been yearning to study Public Enemy and Bizzy Bone's discography's lately. Kinda crazy you brought those up.
I started listening to Lowkey a little last year but I know I wanted to go back and give him a better listen cause he had so much music to choose from.
I will definitely get back on my KRS One and check up on Big Daddy Kane. Had no idea he was on that tip
.I love Talib overall but I feel he is usually up and down with projects but he is a great talent non the less. I always check for his stuff and still think Reflection Eternal is soooooo dope.
And I do love Brother Ali. I have never seen that video either
. I found his Shadows album my sophomore year of college, and it changed my life. Very good, well rounded and diverse album. Also started me on my Rhymesayers/Atmosphere journey 
.I'm def looking forward to checking out Tragedy, Wise Intelligent and Shay D. Thanks again.
And will definitely check out your other threads. I can't
you enough. Hella grateful lolAnd thank you for the compliments. I value integrity, intelligence and analytical thought mixed in with some humor even though I do love dumbing out sometimes. lol. We all can use a break now and then
Props!!!!
You are in my head and I guess I'm on the right path spiritually cause I have been yearning to study Public Enemy and Bizzy Bone's discography's lately. Kinda crazy you brought those up.
I started listening to Lowkey a little last year but I know I wanted to go back and give him a better listen cause he had so much music to choose from.
I will definitely get back on my KRS One and check up on Big Daddy Kane. Had no idea he was on that tip
I love Talib overall but I feel he is usually up and down with projects but he is a great talent non the less. I always check for his stuff and still think Reflection Eternal is soooooo dope.
And I do love Brother Ali. I have never seen that video either
I'm def looking forward to checking out Tragedy, Wise Intelligent and Shay D. Thanks again.
And will definitely check out your other threads. I can't
And thank you for the compliments. I value integrity, intelligence and analytical thought mixed in with some humor even though I do love dumbing out sometimes. lol. We all can use a break now and then
No doubt, you got it going on with the music taste lol. That's a dope quality, my friend was telling me the other today about he finds a woman with good taste in music attractive, and that's real, it's really cool when that's the case so a great attribute to have lol.
Soundtrack To The Struggle, that's probably the Lowkey album to check. He did a song with Immortal Technique too,...
No doubt, I'mma be back with you with more too, obviously take your time and do it at your leisure, I'm just going to hit you with the information and then you can go from there.
Yeah Reflection Eternal was ill, and I agree he lost me a bit but he kind of had a resurgence to me too later on, but it was a good few projects where it seemed to be lacking, for whatever reason that may be.
Yeah, Ali is such a great artist and 1 of the most humble realest nicest people in Hip Hop. Respect him highly. Mourning In America was a tight album... Really, how did it change your life? Would be interested in hearing that sometime when your free (if it's not too private). I loved that album too though, I've played that so many times, I still do to this day...
Picket Fence...
I'm an Atmosphere fan too, love how poetic and conceptual Slug is, and love Ant's beats. Rhymesayers has also been 1 of the labels I've always respected.
It's all good, it's no problem, it's a pleasure, I love Hip Hop so it's fun for me to talk about it lol.
Course, got to have all that, and a positive balance. And course, that's just life and it's good to have fun and mess around and stuff too. That's why I love Hip Hop too, so diverse and unrestricted.
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Okay so I checked out the quote in your sig and I see that it's basically a white guy...with a screen username named after Snoop Dogg, saying that Jim Crow wasn't a bad thing
Sorry if it's off topic but that' just baffling
K-Rino IS a Hip Hop legend....
Just cause you don't know and are bitter doesn't change that, many people consider him a legend and he is known worldwide. infact even people on here in different countries, continents even, know him and view him as a legend.
K-Rino is a Hip Hop and street legend from South Park, Houston Texas. He is hugely admired and respected by many Hip Hop legends, street legends and legends in general. He is considered an OG and pioneer, particularly for H Town rap.
He paid his dues as a legendary battle MC, slaughtering MC's from all over and performing from as early as 1983. He released a single in around 1986 with his group at the time and this was 1 of the first (I think the 2nd) rap records to come out of Houston, he also toured nationally due to this at just 16 years old. In 1987 he founded the now legendary South Park Coalition which includes notable names such as DJ Screw, Gangksta Nip, Dope E (of The Terrorists), Klondike Kat, Top Dog & affiliates such a Z-Ro, Trae Tha Truth.
In 1992 he started his own record label Electric City Records (now Black Book International) and in 1993 released his solo debut album Stories From The Black Book which is regarded as an underground classic by many. He has gone on to release 36 albums and counting overall, which makes him possibly the most prolific MC off all time.
He is noted for being arguably the greatest lyricist ever, and his conceptual, creative substance filled style with strong views and diverse street and social content that emotionally captivates his audience. Many fans have said his music has changed their lives positively. He inspires, motivates and amazes with his gift
simultaneously.This was an intro video that was made for him for his 30th anniversary show with contributions from Scarface, Z-Ro, Canibus, Killer Mike, Bun B, Wicked Cricket, Ganksta Nip and many others....
"K-Rino is the hardest nikka in rap, period" - Z-Ro
"I think y'all do a lot of sleeping on K-Rino, K-Rino is the best rapper in Houston" - Scarface
"When you look at his catalogue you gotta give it up to him, sick
with it man, for a long time too, that's what people don't really (realize), it's like everybody wanna run their mouth about ability but then how long can you do it, everybody listen, K-Rino made me write, he made me spazz the fukk out " - Canibus"He was like the God I never met around these parts" - Point Blank
"To this day if I got a top 12 of rappers he's in it, and I'm talking Ice Cube, Chuck D, Rakim, cause he is just that gifted lyrically" - Parrish Murphy
"Real raw lyrics, from a real MC" - Bun B
Bun B also said this quote regarding K-Rino....
"I was barely a BG in the game
when this man got on the mic. And this is 1 of the brothers that inspired me to do what I do today, and it is an honour and pleasure for me to present to the city of Houston, celebrating 30 years of H town Hip Hop, in my humble opinion the greatest battle rapper ever, and you can tell em Bun said that, ladies and gentleman please give it up for my OG and your OG, Houston's OG, Hip Hop's OG, ladies and gentleman K-Rino - Bun B on K-Rino"Shout out to Rino, a living legend, you know he run this" - Trae Tha Truth on K-Rino
Scarface on K-Rino....
DX: That’s saying something, that’s a hell of an endorsement to say that he’s (K-Rino) got you when it comes to the H-Town hierarchy.
Scarface: Man, that muthafukka is the truth.
DJ Premier put K-Rino's song Antagonistic Radio as 1 of his 12 top songs of 2013 and has said he would LOVE to do a full album with him.
K-Rino has multi millions of views on youtube. His song Grand Deception was 1 of his most viewed tracks....
K-Rino has toured worldwide, and with artists such as Masta Ace, Stricklin & Wordsworth.
His album Book Number 7 was placed as 1 of the greatest Hip Hop albums of that decade.
His song Grand Deception was named as 1 of the top 12 songs of 2009 by Kevin Nottingham.
His album Deeper Elevation was also rated as 1 of the top 10 slept on albums of 2012.
His album Deprogrammed was named as the 2nd most slept on album of the year of 2014.
He has worked with artists such as Scarface, Spice 1, DJ Premier, Lil Fame (of M.O.P), Willie D, Z-Ro, Devin The Dude, Top Dog, Trae Tha Truth, OG Styles, Canibus, Klondike Kat, Ganksta Nip, Dope E (The Terrorists), Killiah Priest, Slim Thug, Keith Murray and MANY more.
K-Rino says of his influences....
In 2006, K-Rino was interviewed by HipHop4Eva where he described his favourite artists growing up: "It started out being singers like Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince, then as Hip Hop came to birth, my early influences were Run-DMC, T-La Rock, Sugar Hill Gang, KRS-One to name a few. Sam Cooke is also a major influence, along with Dolemite."[12]
In the same interview K describes the importance of storytelling in not just his rhymes but in Hip Hop generally:
Storytelling is a lost art in rap. Not many do it anymore. Storytelling is a testament to a writer's creativity, all great writers have a great imagination. So you have to be able to create a plot that people can visualize. With a movie, you can see whats going on but when you can make someone see what you're saying as you're saying it, then thats a special talent. The knowledge comes from my roots in Hip Hop. In the beginning there were songs like "The Message", "The Breaks", then Public Enemy, KRS, X-Clan...those groups raised social consciousness in rap and thats the era i came up in, so naturally i understand the obligation to teach in my music, words are powerful and the things you say carry weight. I had to evolve and im still growing to where i dont get too wild anymore because i've corrupted enough minds.
In 2010, he further expanded on his favourite hip hop artists - in a candid interview with Rapbzdury - labelling Kool G Rap as one of the "top 5 best MCs EVER".[13]
In an interview with Houston Press in 2013, K-Rino listed five of his favourite albums as Stevie Wonder's "Songs In The Key Of Life", Sam Cooke's "Greatest Hits", Prince's "Sign O' The Times", T La Rock's "Lyrical King (From The Boogie Down Bronx)" and Boogie Down Productions' "Criminal Minded".[14]
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^ Every obscure underground rapper tours overseas, you idiot. 
My favorite underground rapper is Murs and he tours all over the world. But he's not a legend. He is more popular than K-Michelle though.
K-Nectarino is known by less than 1% of hip-hop fans so the notion that he's a "hip-hop legend" is laughable and not even debatable. He may be a Houston underground legend. That's fair to say.
My favorite underground rapper is Murs and he tours all over the world. But he's not a legend. He is more popular than K-Michelle though.K-Nectarino is known by less than 1% of hip-hop fans so the notion that he's a "hip-hop legend" is laughable and not even debatable. He may be a Houston underground legend. That's fair to say.
^^^ What's Mur's biggest song?
P.S: That's bullshyt, not every underground rapper tours internationally, what nonsense....
K-Rino and Z-Ro
2 all time greats on a track
P.S: That's bullshyt, not every underground rapper tours internationally, what nonsense....
K-Rino and Z-Ro
2 all time greats on a track
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I typed in "Murs rapper" on youtube, cause despite being a huge Hip Hop head I've never heard a Murs song...
The biggest track I found had...
639,239 views...
K-Rino has a song with over 2.6 million views....
Was just interested as I'd never heard Murs before so was going to check it out, could easily be wrong, but does he have a track bigger than that? The 1 where he's kissing the man?....
The biggest track I found had...
639,239 views...
K-Rino has a song with over 2.6 million views....
Was just interested as I'd never heard Murs before so was going to check it out, could easily be wrong, but does he have a track bigger than that? The 1 where he's kissing the man?....
You've never heard of Murs breh?
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An authority on hip hop music he said 
Hasn't heard of Murs he said
Lets add that to the catalogue of @The Ruler 09's herb moments
You couldn't make this shyt up
Hasn't heard of Murs he said
Lets add that to the catalogue of @The Ruler 09's herb moments
You couldn't make this shyt up
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Don't know but he's had videos shown on MTV and had an album released on a major label, which is more than I can say for K-Michelle.
Who's more popular between Murs and K-chupacabra is neither here nor there. The point is neither of them are hip- hop legends, that designation is reserved for the Rakims, Pacs, Biggies, and Nas of the world, and citing someone touring overseas as evidence as they're a legend is fukking stupid because everybody tours overseas.
I just tried to think of a late 90's/early 00's
underground act to google and find tour dates.The first one I thought of was Swollen Members...
http://www.songkick.com/artists/503005-swollen-members
SWOLLEN MEMBERS ARE LEGENDS! LOOK THEY'RE DOING SHOWS IN AUSTRALIA AND SWITZERLAND!
Clown.