The uncomfortable moment when Noam Chomsky gives 9/11 twoofers 7 minutes of ether

[CouldntBeMeTho]

That wasn't molten steel. It was melted aluminum and other metals.

I was at Ground Zero for three days.

Try again.

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molten aluminum looks much different from molten steel, a building collapsing like that has never happened before, and it will never happen again. there's a reason why...

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

molten aluminum looks much different from molten steel, a building collapsing like that has never happened before, and it will never happen again. there's a reason why...

There was no molten steel and the reason a building has never collapsed like that before is because there aren't any other buildings built like it that have been hit by debris from another collapsing skyscraper and then allowed to burn, uncontrolled, for several hours.​

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

That wasn't molten steel. It was melted aluminum and other metals.

I was at Ground Zero for three days.

Try again.


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There was melted steel there. that's a fact.


A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb Trimpe contains the following passage:

I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat. So this was the kind of heat that was going on when those airplanes hit the upper floors. It was just demolishing heat. 5


An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing a speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:

As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running. 8

The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole. 10

A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel." 11

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html


we've had steel framed buildings for over 100 years. planes have hit buildings before. we've had worse fires before. we've had buildings catch on fire after being hit by planes before

what we havnt had is a completely free fall symmetric collapse of a modern steel framed building. it's physically impossible for a building to collapse at free fall speeds through the path of most resistance. it would crumble in sections if it happened the way you're saying.

 

[Type Username Here]

I agree with Chomsky on the physics portion, I disagree with him whole heartily that the Bush Administration had nothing to do with it. They surely didn't orchestrate the attack, but I'll be damned if they weren't warned about it extensively for months from different sources, both internally and internationally.

So it was either complete negligence or it was deliberate ignoring. Either way, that is criminal behavior (one more serious than the other) that puts the blame squarely on the US government.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

There was melted steel there. that's a fact.

That's not a fact, but a fantasy. As far as your 'sources':
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I have a question regarding some claims in the October SEAU Newsletter (http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf)

In this article it is stated that

"As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running."

This statement has been attributed to Leslie Robertson and used to support some of the more unusual claims regarding the 9/11 attacks. I was wondering, is this statement correct, or could you clarify it at all?

A short time later, this was the response:​

I've no recollection of having made any such statements...nor was I in a position to have the required knowledge.

Here are James Williams' notes from the lecture given by Leslie Robertson. Notice the absence of the words 'molten steel'.....

http://911myths.com/NCSEA_oct_5_2001_Leslie_Robertson_s_lecture__notes_by_James_Williams.pdf

ALL of your quotes are taken out of context and none of them were qualified to assess what the pools of 'metal' were, but we know they weren't steel since the temperatures recorded were too low to melt it.

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[Dusty Bake Activate]

I agree with Chomsky on the physics portion, I disagree with him whole heartily that the Bush Administration had nothing to do with it. They surely didn't orchestrate the attack, but I'll be damned if they weren't warned about it extensively for months from different sources, both internally and internationally.

So it was either complete negligence or it was deliberate ignoring. Either way, that is criminal behavior (one more serious than the other) that puts the blame squarely on the US government.

Eh...don't really see where you disagree with Chomsky. He just rebuked the claim that the orchestrated it.

Complete negligence due to complete hubris and collective narcissism is about accurate. The entire neocon mindset is pure arrogance and megalomania. Motherfukkers really felt they had the military and economic might to take over the whole world, and the divine right-like moral justification to do so. They spell it out in the PNAC literature. There were warnings: the infamous PDB about Bin Laden being determined to strike, the reports from Richard Clarke's counterterrorism team. There's nothing to suggest that they knew that specific attack on that specific day in the manner in which it happened. Those arrogant dikkheads just felt they couldn't get touched by some inferior Arab savages in their mind.

They didn't learn lesson from their arrogance either because they thought they could take over Iraq with a few hundred thousand troops and some establishment bueaucrat cronies including well-connected grad students, none of whom spoke Iraqi, and some lackey fukkboy named Ahmed Chalabi, who nobody in Iraq even knew, and they could disband the Iraqi army in the process, and they would be greeted with roses as liberators for doing so.

 

[Master Teacher]

it was a control demolition, look at a video of a demo and then 911, the buildings collapse exactly the same
it would've been more believable if everything above where the plane's hit toppled toppled over, or feel through
but for the entire building to collapse into pile of dust would be impossible anybody with eyes can see that

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

That's not a fact, but a fantasy. As far as your 'sources':
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A short time later, this was the response:​

Here are James Williams' notes from the lecture given by Leslie Robertson. Notice the absence of the words 'molten steel'.....

http://911myths.com/NCSEA_oct_5_2001_Leslie_Robertson_s_lecture__notes_by_James_Williams.pdf

ALL of your quotes are taken out of context and none of them were qualified to assess what the pools of 'metal' were, but we know they weren't steel since the temperatures recorded were too low to melt it.

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where are the tests that was done to determine what those pools of metal were?

believe asymmetrical fires and damage can cause symmetrical collapse brehs

believe a Saudi hiding in a cave orchestrated an attack on the most secure airspace in the world brehs

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yo, @Candor .......they're trying to make this into a CT thread.

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[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Eh...don't really see where you disagree with Chomsky. He just rebuked the claim that the orchestrated it.

Complete negligence due to complete hubris and collective narcissism is about accurate. The entire neocon mindset is pure arrogance and megalomania. Motherfukkers really felt they had the military and economic might to take over the whole world, and the divine right-like moral justification to do so. They spell it out in the PNAC literature. There were warnings: the infamous PDB about Bin Laden being determined to strike, the reports from Richard Clarke's counterterrorism team. There's nothing to suggest that they knew that specific attack on that specific day in the manner in which it happened. Those arrogant dikkheads just felt they couldn't get touched by some inferior Arab savages in their mind.

They didn't learn lesson from their arrogance either because they thought they could take over Iraq with a few hundred thousand troops and some establishment bueaucrat cronies including well-connected grad students, none of whom spoke Iraqi, and some lackey fukkboy named Ahmed Chalabi, who nobody in Iraq even knew, and they could disband the Iraqi army in the process, and they would be greeted with roses as liberators for doing so.

Or they figured that they could use such an attack as justification for going over there..just sayin.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

the funny thing is that anybody that knows anything about physics will have some serious questions about 9/11.

Yo, @Candor .......they're trying to make this into a CT thread.

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I knew you was a snitch

what do you expect to happen when a 9/11 video is posted

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

where are the tests that was done to determine what those pools of metal were?

Temperatures were not high enough to melt steel. Steel melts at 2500+ degrees F. The highest recorded temperatures at Ground Zero were barely above 1500 degrees F.​

believe asymmetrical fires and damage can cause symmetrical collapse brehs

Don't read NIST reports that have been on-line for several years, brehs.​

believe a Saudi hiding in a cave orchestrated an attack on the most secure airspace in the world brehs

Believe Super Science Ninjas infiltrated the WTC and planted tons of explosives without anyone noticing and all traces of said explosives disappeared, brehs.

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[No1]

Eh...don't really see where you disagree with Chomsky. He just rebuked the claim that the orchestrated it.

Complete negligence due to complete hubris and collective narcissism is about accurate. The entire neocon mindset is pure arrogance and megalomania. Motherfukkers really felt they had the military and economic might to take over the whole world, and the divine right-like moral justification to do so. They spell it out in the PNAC literature. There were warnings: the infamous PDB about Bin Laden being determined to strike, the reports from Richard Clarke's counterterrorism team. There's nothing to suggest that they knew that specific attack on that specific day in the manner in which it happened. Those arrogant dikkheads just felt they couldn't get touched by some inferior Arab savages in their mind.

They didn't learn lesson from their arrogance either because they thought they could take over Iraq with a few hundred thousand troops and some establishment bueaucrat cronies including well-connected grad students, none of whom spoke Iraqi, and some lackey fukkboy named Ahmed Chalabi, who nobody in Iraq even knew, and they could disband the Iraqi army in the process, and they would be greeted with roses as liberators for doing so.

They knew Iraq was a bad idea, they were just hell bent. Cheney breaks down right there why it was a bad idea....in 1994.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I knew you was a snitch

what do you expect to happen when a 9/11 video is posted

There's a whole thread for you CT nutjobs to jack each other off in. Take your bullshyt there.

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[Type Username Here]

Going slightly off topic, there was a thread today on Reddit about weird historical coincidences, and there was a lot of good shyt in there. Someone made a post about this group called "I am The World Trade Center":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_the_World_Trade_Center

Well, they formed up in the year 2000 and released their debut album in July 2001. On that album, Out of Loop, the 11th track was titled "September"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Loop_(I_Am_the_World_Trade_Center_album)

That's some eerie shyt right there breh