The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

[Outlaw]

@Rhakim is more knowledgeable on the subject than the people who told Neil that though

it’s either swamp gas or an optical illusion

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim is more knowledgeable on the subject than the people who told Neil that though

it’s either swamp gas or an optical illusion

You're trying to make an Argument from Authority regarding anonymous callers now?

 

[Agent Mulder]

You're trying to make an Argument from Authority regarding anonymous callers now?

Yeah that’s crazy. It’s not like we’re anonymous posters on a hip-hop sub forum or anything

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah that’s crazy. It’s not like we’re anonymous posters on a hip-hop sub forum or anything

Which is why anyone here making an argument from authority would be fukking stupid.

Us being anonymous should be even more reason why we should see Argument from Authority as a stupid tactic. All debates here should be backed by logic and evidence, not by Argument from Authority, which is a logical fallacy. That's why I've been calling out the people who have CONSTANTLY been trying to pull the argument from authority shyt from the beginning of this thread, and just skip over the entire logic/evidence part completely.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

If that was your biggest issue then you'd be more upset at the people in this thread who are definitively saying that it was aliens.

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Man, almost no one in this thread is definitely saying ALIENS. This is a straw man. I haven't said it. I don't remember @FlyBoy718 or @El Negro Suave or @Outlaw saying it

This thread is not very populated at all right now. Are there even 10 of us regularly posting in here? I'd be surprised if there are double-digit frequent posters in this thread yet.

This place isn't full of people screaming it's definitely aliens. Most of us are saying we just believe UAPs are real, and that we don't believe it's swamp gas, birds, or of U.S. origin. We are taking the world's governments at face value when they're saying they want to figure this out.

I feel like that's getting strawman'd into us saying it's aliens, and we aren't slamming a fist down and saying that with intense authority.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Man, almost no one in this thread is definitely saying ALIENS. This is a straw man. I haven't said it. I don't remember @FlyBoy718 or @El Negro Suave or @Outlaw saying it

I'm not going through the whole thread but @Outlaw is definitely saying it and so was @MyAccount, along with plenty of people in the other threads that were up.

The most obvious answer is that there are species more advanced than us out there and they have been observing us for who knows how long.

All these backflip justifications to explain away the obvious is just as much mental masturbation as speculating alien technological capabilities

If anyone is wasting their time it’s you in trying to debunk UFOs. It’s completely illogical to believe that we are the only intelligent species out there. The odds favor that we are mere infants in a sea of cosmic gods

And when there are posts like:

I trust Luis elizondo more than any mf I've seen posted on the topic. He was the Head of UAP program and had to break rank to get us to this point putting a gigantic target on his back even though he had a fantastic career and could've waved this shyt off like he was told to and retired happy. He did it because he saw some shyt that he knew would change alot of our understanding of the universe. Watch the podcasts he goes on and what not. He's giving clear indications he knows there's more to this than Russia or China. But obviously he knows this is such an important moment in our history it has to be handled with the upmost care.

I've noticed that in mainstream interviews he sticks to the more easily digested narrative that we've seen parroted across the major news outlets. However, in longform interviews (podcasts) where the audience tends to be folks that are generally more 'informed', he is a lot more expressive about what he believes this phenomenon is. Whether these statements are based on the evidence he's seen or if he's just drawing his own conclusions-- we won't know until we know. What we do know is that the powers that be are clearly behind him, and if he were some rambling crackpot they would have shut him down already IMO. He's definitely not some pseudo-whistleblower (not that he was ever purported to be). It's my personal opinion that he's been told to stick to more surface level talk in the shorter mainstream interviews, and that the more obscure podcasts and interviews are a 'beta test' of sorts to gauge how people respond certain information regarding the true nature of our reality.

That's just classic

People who claim the technology is 1000 years ahead of us. People who claim this shyt has been around since the early 20th century when we barely even had planes in the air. People who claim that it has to be "real" but can't be China or Russia. People who claim it's been around since historic times. Most of all, people who claim that we should trust Tom DeLonge and Luis Elizondo, the guys who are CLEARLY saying that it's aliens and talking all sorts of wild details about those aliens. Absolutely no one believes that the Russians are 1000 years ahead of us in tech or that they were flying tic tacs in 1951.

The meme is a meme for a reason. I'm gonna call it like it is.


But maybe y'all are right. That would be fukking crazy. And if so I'll take the L and try to move on through life accordingly.

 

[KillerB88]

 

[Agent Mulder]

J.J. Abrams is Making a Serious UFO Docuseries – The Hollywood Reporter

 

[Agent Mulder]

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

I don’t think it’s goal post shifting at all. There’s no proof it’s aliens, and no one should expect them to ever say that. The only way anyone should expect them to say that is if there’s contact made on the White House lawn.

There is no proof these are aliens. But it’s definitely a huge deal that they are saying it’s not the United States, and not in any military’s known inventory.

That’s an admission no one would have predicted our government would make even a couple of years ago.

Disclosure is a process. It’s not an event. There’s no way the government would ever jump from UFOs being as silly as Bigfoot to them telling us that aliens are real…and that’s assuming they have proof (and again, I don’t think they do)

Pardon my late response to this post. But the bolded is exactly the point I was making. Just from a general observation, the early tone on more than a few of the posts on the first couple of pages of this thread was vastly different than the tone after media reports were saying that the DNI found no evidence these things are of alien origin. We had posts linking to articles that the US government had recovered UFO wreckage from Roswell, to cats literally dismissing the application of logic itself to explain these sightings because logic somehow wouldn't apply to aliens, apparently because they've evolved beyond how terrestrials like us interpret our physical surroundings.



Then once the nothing burger reports begin trickling down, things shifted from, "HOLY SH*T, ALIENS!! We been trying to tell y'all!!" to a more subdued focus on how neato cool and interesting it is that the US military is acknowledging that they don't know what these things are and that they aren't in any current known military inventory.


Which is in fact a very interesting revelation, I agree. But that wasn't how a lot of the early framing of this this thread was going. To me that seems like a tacit acknowledgment that the early enthusiasm, and in some cases arrogance, was premature. Hence the goal posts moving at speeds 1000 years beyond our current level of technology.


I kid, I kid. But just making an observation here.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Pardon my late response to this post. But the bolded is exactly the point I was making. Just from a general observation, the early tone on more than a few of the posts on the first couple of pages of this thread was vastly different than the tone after media reports were saying that the DNI found no evidence these things are of alien origin. We had posts linking to articles that the US government had recovered UFO wreckage from Roswell, to cats literally dismissing the application of logic itself to explain these sightings because logic somehow wouldn't apply to aliens, apparently because they've evolved beyond how terrestrials like us interpret our physical surroundings.



Then once the nothing burger reports begin trickling down, things shifted from, "HOLY SH*T, ALIENS!! We been trying to tell y'all!!" to a more subdued focus on how neato cool and interesting it is that the US military is acknowledging that they don't know what these things are and that they aren't in any current known military inventory.


Which is in fact a very interesting revelation, I agree. But that wasn't how a lot of the early framing of this this thread was going. To me that seems like a tacit acknowledgment that the early enthusiasm, and in some cases arrogance, was premature. Hence the goal posts moving at speeds 1000 years beyond our current level of technology.


I kid, I kid. But just making an observation here.

Nah, thanks for the breakdown. I wasn't in the early stages of this thread, and I think I popped up right around the time that the DNI report was posted. So I missed all the stuff that was probably heavy on the Bob Lazar, and Roswell, etc.

 

[Renzo]

Pardon my late response to this post. But the bolded is exactly the point I was making. Just from a general observation, the early tone on more than a few of the posts on the first couple of pages of this thread was vastly different than the tone after media reports were saying that the DNI found no evidence these things are of alien origin. We had posts linking to articles that the US government had recovered UFO wreckage from Roswell, to cats literally dismissing the application of logic itself to explain these sightings because logic somehow wouldn't apply to aliens, apparently because they've evolved beyond how terrestrials like us interpret our physical surroundings.



Then once the nothing burger reports begin trickling down, things shifted from, "HOLY SH*T, ALIENS!! We been trying to tell y'all!!" to a more subdued focus on how neato cool and interesting it is that the US military is acknowledging that they don't know what these things are and that they aren't in any current known military inventory.


Which is in fact a very interesting revelation, I agree. But that wasn't how a lot of the early framing of this this thread was going. To me that seems like a tacit acknowledgment that the early enthusiasm, and in some cases arrogance, was premature. Hence the goal posts moving at speeds 1000 years beyond our current level of technology.


I kid, I kid. But just making an observation here.

Small correction but what they said was they couldn’t be sure what they were.. could be highly advanced military tech or it could be aliens.. they couldn’t say either way although I’m sure they know what these things are.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Small correction but what they said was they couldn’t be sure what they were.. could be highly advanced military tech or it could be aliens.. they couldn’t say either way although I’m sure they know what these things are.

I actually don't think they know what they are. Who knows, though?

One thing is for sure. I don't expect them to say aliens. Ever. Even if they know. And that could become a problem, because at some point, I think people are going to habe to read between the lines of what the government is saying. And that's going to be a non-starter for some folks.

Love the username BTW

 

[Renzo]

I actually don't think they know what they are. Who knows, though?

One thing is for sure. I don't expect them to say aliens. Ever. Even if they know. And that could become a problem, because at some point, I think people are going to habe to read between the lines of what the government is saying. And that's going to be a non-starter for some folks.

Love the username BTW

I agree 100% it will be a nonstarter but I don’t understand why people are so quick to dismiss the possibility that it may be of some alien origin. The simple fact that we exist is enough for me to consider the possibility that we aren’t alone. It’s just these things are so out there(pardon the pun) people can’t wrap their heads around it.

 

[TheAnointedOne]

June is almost finished. Where is the 'report' ? lol