Then just show one video, one maneuver, that "defies the laws of physics" and isn't explained by the Mick West videos.
The UFO/UAP disclosure thread
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Breh, I am not going to search all through YT just to find a video for you to debunk. Again i am mostly basing my opinion on verbal accounts and my own personal experience. I know what i saw and its identical to many other accounts i've heard. Yes, i know that it is flawed
I'm not presenting misinformation. I found out about Eric Davis cause a poster right here said he was a "very prominent figure in UFO studies." I looked him up and he's been doing this shyt for 20 years. So he already believed in UFOs long before he joined the task force, which to me makes his claims that the task force found UFOs to not be particularly meaningful.
Him having astrophysics degrees doesn't mean that he doesn't believe silly shyt. And all those supposed Pentagon connections are a smokescreen - he has never had any association with the Pentagon in any capacity except getting to sit at the table for their UFO shyt. He was a guy brought in from the UFO community to have a seat at the table.
And his "Institute for Advanced Studies" is literally four people working out of a numbered room in a strip mall in Austin but he claims they're going to unlock the key to interstellar travel.
He didn't come to believe in UFOs because of something the Pentagon showed him. He already believed in UFOs and had his own "personal paranormal experiences" long before that and has dedicated his life to this shyt. Of course he's gonna interpret whatever he sees there as if it validates his life's mission.
You should note that he didn't actually say they were from outer space, he uses ambiguous language like "objects of undetermined origin", which could mean anything. And he never provides evidence for his claims - he doesn't show the objects, pictures of the objects, analysis of the objects, documentation about the objects...all we got is his word.
I'm not sure what to think about this "Elizondo" character in general because he seems sus as fukk. No one had ever heard of him until 2017 when he started that "To The Stars" UFO/sci fi production company with the guy from Blink-182. This is his bio from that:
That's an.....odd bio for a guy who supposedly was the director of an aerospace unit. No background in space work, in flying craft, in advanced signaling, or anything else that would be expected to understand UFOs? And was he the director or the field investigator, wouldn't those be very different jobs? So I looked him up to see if he was really all that, and I found this in The Intercept, of the best newspapers out there for investigative reports:
THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
There is no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Read through the whole article - multiple people have tried to verify his involvement in the program - any memos, documents, emails, or co-signs from Pentagon staff - and they come up empty. On several occasions Elizondo has provided documents proving he worked for Intelligence, but not a single one showing that he was ever the director of AATIP. There's even his resignation letter, where he complains that the Pentagon isn't taking the UFO threat seriously enough, but strangely the letter NEVER mentions anything about AATIP or about Elizondo having any UFO duties of his own. Literally everyone who has ever vouched for Elizondo is connected to the Blink-182 guy and his pro-UFO media production company that made Elizondo famous in the first place.
I'm not saying I've come to the firm conclusion that Elizondo is lying about what he did...but there's a lot of smoke there.
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Nothing odd dude is just outright lyingYou should note that he didn't actually say they were from outer space, he uses ambiguous language like "objects of undetermined origin", which could mean anything. And he never provides evidence for his claims - he doesn't show the objects, pictures of the objects, analysis of the objects, documentation about the objects...all we got is his word.
I'm not sure what to think about this "Elizondo" character in general because he seems sus as fukk. No one had ever heard of him until 2017 when he started that "To The Stars" UFO/sci fi production company with the guy from Blink-182. This is his bio from that:
That's an.....odd bio for a guy who supposedly was the director of an aerospace unit. No background in space work, in flying craft, in advanced signaling, or anything else that would be expected to understand UFOs? And was he the director or the field investigator, wouldn't those be very different jobs? So I looked him up to see if he was really all that, and I found this in The Intercept, of the best newspapers out there for investigative reports:
THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
There is no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Read through the whole article - multiple people have tried to verify his involvement in the program - any memos, documents, emails, or co-signs from Pentagon staff - and they come up empty. On several occasions Elizondo has provided documents proving he worked for Intelligence, but not a single one showing that he was ever the director of AATIP. There's even his resignation letter, where he complains that the Pentagon isn't taking the UFO threat seriously enough, but strangely the letter NEVER mentions anything about AATIP or about Elizondo having any UFO duties of his own. Literally everyone who has ever vouched for Elizondo is connected to the Blink-182 guy and his pro-UFO media production company that made Elizondo famous in the first place.
I'm not saying I've come to the firm conclusion that Elizondo is lying about what he did...but there's a lot of smoke there.
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i think many would if they could get their hands on actual evidence. until then, it is all speculative
Pentagon ADMITS that it has been testing wreckage from UFO crashes - including a possible 'memory metal' that experts claim may have been recovered during the 1947 Roswell crash
- Researcher Anthony Bragalia secured more than 150 pages from the US Defense Intelligence Agency after the agency responded to a three-year FOIA request
- 'Although much of the reports' details are redacted, what can be gleaned is that these technologies represent a literal quantum leap beyond the properties of all existing material known to man,' Bragalia wrote
- Included in the pages were the repeated mention of 'advanced technology reports' surrounding Nitinol, described as a shape recovery alloy
- Bragalia shared that the Nitinol had similar properties to the 'memory metal' found near the Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash site of 1947
- Pages from the FOIA reply indicate that the Pentagon was exploring whether Nitinol could be integrated into the human body for the improvement of health
PUBLISHED: 15:10 EST, 13 February 2021 | UPDATED: 18:10 EST, 13 February 2021
The Pentagon has admitted to possessing and testing out wreckage from UFO crashes, with the researcher who found the startling news hypothesizing that the debris may be from the famous Roswell, New Mexico, crash in 1947.
Researcher Anthony Bragalia made the revelation on his blog UFO Explorations, sharing that he secured more than 150 pages from the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) after the agency responded to a three-year Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request he submitted.
'Although much of the reports' details are redacted, what can be gleaned is that these technologies represent a literal quantum leap beyond the properties of all existing material known to man,' Bragalia wrote in his blog.
Bragalia's FOIA request was 'unambiguous in its meaning,' according to the researcher who prided himself in finding the loophole for information that is normally confidential and secret.
'The original 2017 FOIA request made to the DIA asks for the physical descriptions, properties and composition of UFO/UAP material held by the government and its contractor,' he said, before adding that it 'refers to UFO/UAP material and 'physical debris recovered by personnel of the Department of Defense as residue, flotsam, shot-off material or crashed UAPs or unidentified flying objects.'
Bragalia attached the FOIA request and parts of the five documents he was given access to, which comprise the entire 154pgs he had. The researcher did share that there were several documents that had to be heavily redacted.
The document show that the testing was being carried out by Bigelow Aerospace, a Las Vegas, Nevada-based company that does private contract work for the Department of Defense.
Included in the pages were the repeated mention of 'advanced technology reports' surrounding Nitinol, described as a shape recovery alloy.
Bragalia shared that the Nitinol had similar properties to the 'memory metal' found near the Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash site of 1947.
Pages from the FOIA reply indicate that the Pentagon was exploring whether Nitinol could be integrated into the human body for the improvement of health, the researcher wrote in his blog.
Bragalia highlights that more than 40 witnesses to the Roswell crash mentioned that a metal-like material from the site could 'remember itself' when folded or physically altered.
The debris from the crash was flown to Wright Field in Greene County, Ohio, with Battelle Memorial Institute soon securing a contract to start phase diagrams for making memory metal - using Nickel and ultra-high purity Titanium.
During a discussion in the 1960s with researcher Kevin Randle that was captured on tape, General Arthur Exon said that some of the wreckage being tested from the site was comprised of 'specially processed' Titanium. Exon had flown over the site in 1947.
Two months after the Roswell crash in September, General George Shulgen of Air Intelligence said that 'the materials of construction' of the flying saucers were possibly made of 'composite or sandwich construction utilizing various combinations of metals and plastics.'
'The DIA-sponsored reports I received mention a highly-engineered material called "metamaterial" as comprised of "composite media.'" Bragalia wrote. 'Metamaterial can be layered with metal and plastics.'
He added: 'Based on the documentation received, it appears that the retrieved debris exhibits other extraordinary capabilities. In addition to "remembering" their original form when bent or crushed, some of these futuristic materials have the potential to make things invisible, "compress" electromagnetic energy, and even slow down the speed of light.'
Bragalia shared that the whereabouts of the debris from the UFO wreckage is currently unknown, adding that Bigelow Aerospace laid off nearly all of their 85 employees in March 2020.
A spokesperson shared that 'a perfect storm of problems' including the pandemic resulted in the layoffs.
UFO report: An unclassified report on UFOs must be released in 180 days, thanks to the Covid-19 relief and spending bill - CNN
US intelligence agencies have 180 days to share what they know about UFOs, thanks to the Covid-19 relief and spending bill
By Harmeet Kaur, CNN
Updated 1:26 PM ET, Sun January 10, 2021
(CNN)When President Donald Trump signed the $2.3 trillion coronavirus relief and government funding bill into law in December, so began the 180-day countdown for US intelligence agencies to tell Congress what they know about UFOs.
No, really.
The director of National Intelligence and the secretary of defense have a little less than six months now to provide the congressional intelligence and armed services committees with an unclassified report about "unidentified aerial phenomena."
It's a stipulation that was tucked into the "committee comment" section of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021, which was contained in the massive spending bill.
Pentagon to launch task force to investigate UFO sightings
That report must contain detailed analyses of UFO data and intelligence collected by the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force and the FBI, according to the Senate intelligence committee's directive.
It should also describe in detail "an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection and centralized analysis of all unidentified aerial phenomena reporting for the Federal Government" and designate an official responsible for that process.
Finally, the report should identify any potential national security threats posed by UFOs and assess whether any of the nation's adversaries could be behind such activity, the committee said.
The submitted report should be unclassified, the committee said, though it can contain a classified annex.
A spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence confirmed the news to the fact-checking website Snopes.
Congress has long been interested in UFOs
The Pentagon released three short videos in April of last year showing "unidentified aerial phenomena" -- clips that the US Navy had previously confirmed were real.
The videos, one from 2004 and the other two from 2015, show what appear to be unidentified flying objects rapidly moving while recorded by infrared cameras. Two of the videos contain service members reacting in awe at how quickly the objects are moving. One voice speculates that it could be a drone.
Newly released incident reports detail US Navy's 'UFO' encounters
It's still unclear what the objects are, and there's no consensus on their origin. Some believe they may be drones potentially operated by earthly adversaries seeking to gather intelligence, rather than the extraterrestrials we normally equate with UFOs.
In August, the Pentagon announced that it was forming a task force to investigate.
Members of Congress and Pentagon officials have long been concerned about the appearance of the unidentified aircraft that have flown over US military bases. The Senate Intelligence Committee voted last June to have the Pentagon and intelligence community provide a public analysis of the encounters.
But it's not the first time the Pentagon has looked into aerial encounters with unknown objects. The Pentagon previously studied recordings of such incidents as part of a since-shuttered classified program launched at the behest of former Sen. Harry Reid.
That program was launched in 2007 and ended in 2012, according to the Pentagon, because they assessed that there were higher priorities that needed funding.
The former head of the program Luis Elizondo told CNN in 2017 that he personally believes "there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone."
CNN's Ryan Browne contributed to this report.
US intelligence agencies have 180 days to share what they know about UFOs, thanks to the Covid-19 relief and spending bill
By Harmeet Kaur, CNN
Updated 1:26 PM ET, Sun January 10, 2021
(CNN)When President Donald Trump signed the $2.3 trillion coronavirus relief and government funding bill into law in December, so began the 180-day countdown for US intelligence agencies to tell Congress what they know about UFOs.
No, really.
The director of National Intelligence and the secretary of defense have a little less than six months now to provide the congressional intelligence and armed services committees with an unclassified report about "unidentified aerial phenomena."
It's a stipulation that was tucked into the "committee comment" section of the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021, which was contained in the massive spending bill.
Pentagon to launch task force to investigate UFO sightings
That report must contain detailed analyses of UFO data and intelligence collected by the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force and the FBI, according to the Senate intelligence committee's directive.
It should also describe in detail "an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection and centralized analysis of all unidentified aerial phenomena reporting for the Federal Government" and designate an official responsible for that process.
Finally, the report should identify any potential national security threats posed by UFOs and assess whether any of the nation's adversaries could be behind such activity, the committee said.
The submitted report should be unclassified, the committee said, though it can contain a classified annex.
A spokesperson for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence confirmed the news to the fact-checking website Snopes.
Congress has long been interested in UFOs
The Pentagon released three short videos in April of last year showing "unidentified aerial phenomena" -- clips that the US Navy had previously confirmed were real.
The videos, one from 2004 and the other two from 2015, show what appear to be unidentified flying objects rapidly moving while recorded by infrared cameras. Two of the videos contain service members reacting in awe at how quickly the objects are moving. One voice speculates that it could be a drone.
Newly released incident reports detail US Navy's 'UFO' encounters
It's still unclear what the objects are, and there's no consensus on their origin. Some believe they may be drones potentially operated by earthly adversaries seeking to gather intelligence, rather than the extraterrestrials we normally equate with UFOs.
In August, the Pentagon announced that it was forming a task force to investigate.
Members of Congress and Pentagon officials have long been concerned about the appearance of the unidentified aircraft that have flown over US military bases. The Senate Intelligence Committee voted last June to have the Pentagon and intelligence community provide a public analysis of the encounters.
But it's not the first time the Pentagon has looked into aerial encounters with unknown objects. The Pentagon previously studied recordings of such incidents as part of a since-shuttered classified program launched at the behest of former Sen. Harry Reid.
That program was launched in 2007 and ended in 2012, according to the Pentagon, because they assessed that there were higher priorities that needed funding.
The former head of the program Luis Elizondo told CNN in 2017 that he personally believes "there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone."
CNN's Ryan Browne contributed to this report.
MIKE SPLEAN
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I’ve heard about this before
MIKE SPLEAN
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Black pyramid ufos supposedly abducted a lady back in the 80s let’s see if I can find it
Strange that he makes such extraordinary claims but doesn't show where in the documents it proves any of those things. He doesn't even quote the documents on those fronts. I mean I know this is the Daily Mail so I shouldn't expect much from a tabloid but there's not much there.Pentagon ADMITS that it has been testing wreckage from UFO crashes - including a possible 'memory metal' that experts claim may have been recovered during the 1947 Roswell crash
By MATTHEW WRIGHT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
- Researcher Anthony Bragalia secured more than 150 pages from the US Defense Intelligence Agency after the agency responded to a three-year FOIA request
- 'Although much of the reports' details are redacted, what can be gleaned is that these technologies represent a literal quantum leap beyond the properties of all existing material known to man,' Bragalia wrote
- Included in the pages were the repeated mention of 'advanced technology reports' surrounding Nitinol, described as a shape recovery alloy
- Bragalia shared that the Nitinol had similar properties to the 'memory metal' found near the Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash site of 1947
- Pages from the FOIA reply indicate that the Pentagon was exploring whether Nitinol could be integrated into the human body for the improvement of health
PUBLISHED: 15:10 EST, 13 February 2021 | UPDATED: 18:10 EST, 13 February 2021
The Pentagon has admitted to possessing and testing out wreckage from UFO crashes, with the researcher who found the startling news hypothesizing that the debris may be from the famous Roswell, New Mexico, crash in 1947.
Researcher Anthony Bragalia made the revelation on his blog UFO Explorations, sharing that he secured more than 150 pages from the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) after the agency responded to a three-year Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request he submitted.
'Although much of the reports' details are redacted, what can be gleaned is that these technologies represent a literal quantum leap beyond the properties of all existing material known to man,' Bragalia wrote in his blog.
Bragalia's FOIA request was 'unambiguous in its meaning,' according to the researcher who prided himself in finding the loophole for information that is normally confidential and secret.
'The original 2017 FOIA request made to the DIA asks for the physical descriptions, properties and composition of UFO/UAP material held by the government and its contractor,' he said, before adding that it 'refers to UFO/UAP material and 'physical debris recovered by personnel of the Department of Defense as residue, flotsam, shot-off material or crashed UAPs or unidentified flying objects.'
Bragalia attached the FOIA request and parts of the five documents he was given access to, which comprise the entire 154pgs he had. The researcher did share that there were several documents that had to be heavily redacted.
The document show that the testing was being carried out by Bigelow Aerospace, a Las Vegas, Nevada-based company that does private contract work for the Department of Defense.
Included in the pages were the repeated mention of 'advanced technology reports' surrounding Nitinol, described as a shape recovery alloy.
Bragalia shared that the Nitinol had similar properties to the 'memory metal' found near the Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash site of 1947.
Pages from the FOIA reply indicate that the Pentagon was exploring whether Nitinol could be integrated into the human body for the improvement of health, the researcher wrote in his blog.
Bragalia highlights that more than 40 witnesses to the Roswell crash mentioned that a metal-like material from the site could 'remember itself' when folded or physically altered.
The debris from the crash was flown to Wright Field in Greene County, Ohio, with Battelle Memorial Institute soon securing a contract to start phase diagrams for making memory metal - using Nickel and ultra-high purity Titanium.
During a discussion in the 1960s with researcher Kevin Randle that was captured on tape, General Arthur Exon said that some of the wreckage being tested from the site was comprised of 'specially processed' Titanium. Exon had flown over the site in 1947.
Two months after the Roswell crash in September, General George Shulgen of Air Intelligence said that 'the materials of construction' of the flying saucers were possibly made of 'composite or sandwich construction utilizing various combinations of metals and plastics.'
'The DIA-sponsored reports I received mention a highly-engineered material called "metamaterial" as comprised of "composite media.'" Bragalia wrote. 'Metamaterial can be layered with metal and plastics.'
He added: 'Based on the documentation received, it appears that the retrieved debris exhibits other extraordinary capabilities. In addition to "remembering" their original form when bent or crushed, some of these futuristic materials have the potential to make things invisible, "compress" electromagnetic energy, and even slow down the speed of light.'
Bragalia shared that the whereabouts of the debris from the UFO wreckage is currently unknown, adding that Bigelow Aerospace laid off nearly all of their 85 employees in March 2020.
A spokesperson shared that 'a perfect storm of problems' including the pandemic resulted in the layoffs.
And claiming that memory metal was a "quantum leap" in technology is simply false. The shape-memory effect in certain metal alloys was discovered by a Swedish chemist in 1932. Arne Ölander - Wikipedia
