The Tsarnaev brothers didn't have gun licenses

[Blackking]

They also have much lower rates of gun violence than the US.

damn, your right... So if we would have attacked the gun rights long ago Detroit and Chicago wouldn't look like war zones..



I'm glad that there are no social-economic reasons, or mental health reasons, or historical reasons, or cultural reasons, or dumb as laws like drug laws that lead to depressed communities- or any of that sort of sh1t to explain why They also have much lower rates of gun violence than the US.

Criminologist and the people who study this must be idiots, because I rarely hear them speak on gun rights as the primary cause.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

damn, your right... So if we would have attacked the gun rights long ago Detroit and Chicago wouldn't look like war zones..



I'm glad that there are no social-economic reasons, or mental health reasons, or historical reasons, or cultural reasons, or dumb as laws like drug laws that lead to depressed communities- or any of that sort of sh1t to explain why They also have much lower rates of gun violence than the US.

Criminologist and the people who study this must be idiots, because I rarely hear them speak on gun rights as the primary cause.

U think Chicago and Detroit would be better off w/less gun restrictions

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

They also have much lower rates of gun violence than the US.

I don't think gun violence in the united states can be talked about without addressing the fact that 50% of all the gun homicides in this country are committed by African Americans who constitute only 13% of the population.

Obviously America is unique in its racial and ethnic composition. It is not fair to compare America to Japan or western Europe. This applies to the education rankings as well.

I don't think gun violence is simply an artifact of loose gun laws. There are all kinds of other factors that people refuse to address or even bother considering.

 

[Blackking]

But a gun lobbyist's dollar is worth more to a congressman than the lives of their constituents

I think the issue here is that people who want to
hurt a lot of people or send a message will find a way to do so.

If you ask me I think we should focus on what's causing these individuals
to crack up,instead of worrying about their weapon of choice and
finding ways to restrict access to it for the rest of the public.

What legal mechanisms are going to prevent someone from obtaining a weapon illegally?

We would need 24/7 drone surveillance, a numerous and permanent group of undercover agents, no privacy in telecommunications and "wall of china" style fortification along the southern border.

^basically... we aren't going to address the real issues.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

^basically... we aren't going to address the real issues.

Clamping down on + sorting out gun restrictions doesn't preclude or prevent us from addressing the underlying causes of gun violence. Stop acting like its an either or thing, we can do more than one thing at a time

 

[Blackking]

U think Chicago and Detroit would be better off w/less gun restrictions

I didn't say less... and I know for a fact that you are detached from any of this, but the causes of violence in those areas literally have nothing to do with loose guns laws. Some people obtain them legally (as they should have the right to do) and some people get them illegally.

Laws have tightened in both these areas... yet crime hasn't decreased. purchasing a weapon was easy as sh1t last year for me. This year it wasn't too difficult, but if was a fcking process, plus I came up on some list and had to wait longer because of my name. If I was a criminal it would have been easier for me to get a AK than it was for me to buy a weapon that only held 7 bullets.

 

[The Real]

damn, your right... So if we would have attacked the gun rights long ago Detroit and Chicago wouldn't look like war zones..

What part of my post led you to this massive and irrelevant strawman? Of course there are many factors at work.

I'm glad that there are no social-economic reasons, or mental health reasons, or historical reasons, or cultural reasons, or dumb as laws like drug laws that lead to depressed communities- or any of that sort of sh1t to explain why They also have much lower rates of gun violence than the US.

Criminologist and the people who study this must be idiots, because I rarely hear them speak on gun rights as the primary cause.

I didn't realize you were an avid reader in criminology. Nonetheless, I never said gun laws were the only or primary cause... but they can definitely help prevent the violence that results from those other problems. The hood would be a more peaceful place with better gun policy. That is totally separate from and doesn't prevent anyone from working on those other issues.

 

[Blackking]

Clamping down on + sorting out gun restrictions doesn't preclude or prevent us from addressing the underlying causes of gun violence. Stop acting like its an either or thing, we can do more than one thing at a time

We don't and wont. And y not focus solely on the root and real causes first? What's the harm in that? Y focus on the sh1t that doesn't matter at any point in time when we know that access to weapons isn't the issue?

 

[Silkk]

Yea because everyone i know who has a gun has it legally

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

We don't and wont. And y not focus solely on the root and real causes first? What's the harm in that? Y focus on the sh1t that doesn't matter at any point in time when we know that access to weapons isn't the issue?

Because access to weapons, like mental health, history, culture and all your other handpicked factors is one of many issues driving gun violence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/u...-a-land-of-few-rules.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&

Not to mention all the crooked licensed dealers. I read somewhere that most illegal guns could be traced back to like <10% of licensed gun dealers. But for whatever reason the govt can't shut them down. @ you wanting to throw away all gun reqs because you had a slightly hard time, get over yourself

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I didn't say less... and I know for a fact that you are detached from any of this, but the causes of violence in those areas literally have nothing to do with loose guns laws. Some people obtain them legally (as they should have the right to do) and some people get them illegally.

Laws have tightened in both these areas... yet crime hasn't decreased. purchasing a weapon was easy as sh1t last year for me. This year it wasn't too difficult, but if was a fcking process, plus I came up on some list and had to wait longer because of my name. If I was a criminal it would have been easier for me to get a AK than it was for me to buy a weapon that only held 7 bullets.

Nobody said gun reqs were the sole driver of gun violence. You just projected that onto everyone you disagree with in that goofy ass strawman

 

[the mechanic]

Yea because everyone i know who has a gun has it legally

Exactly......Even in places where Guns are absolutely illegal and just having one will get you locked up the criminals still are better armed than the Cops

Gun control usually means disarming future victims...never criminals or cops

 

[Blackking]

What part of my post led you to this massive and irrelevant strawman? Of course there are many factors at work.



I didn't realize you were an avid reader in criminology. Nonetheless, I never said gun laws were the only or primary cause... but they can definitely help prevent the violence that results from those other problems. The hood would be a more peaceful place with better gun policy. That is totally separate from and doesn't prevent anyone from working on those other issues.

You don't have to get all peevish - it wasn't a straw-man.. it was a response to a fallacious and random as hell comparison.

Anyway, I know that in the "hoods" I've been in, gun policy isn't on anyone's mind. You get it legally. If you can't , then get it illegally.

I'm not an expert in criminology, but I have a random degree in it because it interest me, not because I want to make a career- and I do read about it all the time. I don't know everything or close to it; but even if I didn't graduate middle school - I would know that to speak on gun laws and violence in Urban communities is like speaking on foodstamps and the American debt. There are real things we should focus on to solve the issue.

 

[Blackking]

Exactly......Even in places where Guns are absolutely illegal and just having one will get you locked up the criminals still are better armed than the Cops

Gun control usually means disarming future victims...never criminals or cops

This is an awesome post-- I'm surprise a fakkit like you said it. pos rep.

 

[Blackking]

Because access to weapons, like mental health, history, culture and all your other handpicked factors is one of many issues driving gun violence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/u...-a-land-of-few-rules.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&

Not to mention all the crooked licensed dealers. I read somewhere that most illegal guns could be traced back to like <10% of licensed gun dealers. But for whatever reason the govt can't shut them down. @ you wanting to throw away all gun reqs because you had a slightly hard time, get over yourself

No I'm glad I had that hard time. That is enuf. We don't need to go overboard and lose focus on the true causes of gun violence.