The truth about Kobe Bryant

[Jram]

Don't ever quote me again with bullshyt like this.

Your so open minded

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

If someone on this thread is just going to post in all bold huge caps that LeBron quit, and someone else is saying statistics have no crediblity, this thread really isn't going anywhere soon.

Who said stats have no credibility?

 

[Street Knowledge]

No it's not "clear" he was more productive. Also Kobe was more efficient(T/S is the best measure of efficiency because it takes everything into account) PER is a garbage stat

I used teammates because that shows Kobe's offense impact. Even with trash around him, they were still an elite offensive team.(8th in 06', 10th in 07')

I can't say the same thing about wade

 

[Jram]

Bron quit in celtics series also. They were up 2-1 and he just tanked it the last 3 games


Lebron put up 21.3 ppg, 34% FG, 46.9% TS,

"but but he lost because of teammates"

Fair to say he had a inconsistent series. But how many players have had bad series and we dont' call it quit? Wade was terrible in 2011 ECF, Bryant was really bad in 2000 finals, Magic had a bad finals. The quitting narrative is only applied to Bron.

A bad series doesn't equal to quitting, although Kobe taking only three shots in the second half of an elimination game was suspect in 06.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Your only selecting pices that support your argument.

Wade in 09: 30.2 ppg, 7.5 apg, 5.0 rpg, 2.2 spg, 1.4 bpg, 30.4 PER, 57.4 TS%, 51.6 eFG%.

Bryant in 07: 31.6, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg,1.4 spg, 0.5 bpg, 26.1 PER, 58 TS%, 50.2 eFG%.

It's incredibly selective of you to use only TS, total points, and team offense to make your point.

Clearly Wade was the more productive player that year. The four point edge in PER shows us he was more productive. They're efficiency was about the same, as the TS and eFG we're close though.

Too many things go into team output for me to factor that in.

Kobe played in the triangle, Wade didn't. Triangle limits the amount of assit a player can rack up. Scottie Pippen was the only player that even came close to 7 assit under the triangle.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Kobe played in the triangle, Wade didn't. Triangle limits the amount of assit a player can rack up. Scottie Pippen was the only player that even came close to 7 assit under the triangle.

Xs and Os don't matter son. Stats have whole face value and tell the entire story. Sorry

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

In a garbage eastern conference

Lebron beat ONE 50 win team in 7 years in Cleavland

and kobe did?

 

[Street Knowledge]

and kobe did?

Kobe beat more 50 win teams in The 2008 playoffs then Lebron did his entire career in Cleavland

 

[Jram]

Who said stats have no credibility?

Peter Vecsey, on stats

"You posted some BS stats to make a point about something that has to be looked at contextually to form a valid opionion."

"I guess the best QBs of all time have the highest QB rating as well." (Nobody said anything comparable)

"Dude. No one(who is respectable) uses an erp equation to determine greatness in sports. Stats are not the objective reflection of what happens on the court because stats can be manipulated and misleading. You gotta see how the games play out for yourself."

"You can't quantify a great player via mathematics son. The context is watching the game as is. A lot of other mitigating circumstances come into play such as the era, rules, competition at the time, popular coaching philosphies at that time, pre-defined position roles, etc etc etc. How you gon use math to determine who is better is laughable. No one does that."

- When asked for context on his reasons:

"To answer your question about what makes Kobe better than Wade is actually quite simple.. EVERYTHING"

So....you basically told us the statistics I put in context we're meaningless, and when asked for context, said "EVERYTHING'.

It's a really poor argument. Than you started trolling by saying "Xs and Os don't matter son. Stats have whole face value and tell the entire story. Sorry" and a bunch of other sillt responses.

 

[Jram]

Kobe played in the triangle, Wade didn't. Triangle limits the amount of assit a player can rack up. Scottie Pippen was the only player that even came close to 7 assit under the triangle.

That's fair to say, but whenever Kobe has not been in a triangle his assist numbers haven't greatly jumped either. So that's a partial argument.

 

[GreatestLaker]

That's fair to say, but whenever Kobe has not been in a triangle his assist numbers haven't greatly jumped either. So that's a partial argument.

Kobe only played outside of the triangle twice since 99. In the 04-05 season he was actually averaging over 7 assits, then Rudy Tomjanovich quit halfway through the season and Frank Hamblen reintroduced the triangle when he became the head coach. Last year the Lakers were one of the worst shooting teams in the league and Kobe was well out of his prime.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Peter Vecsey, on stats

"You posted some BS stats to make a point about something that has to be looked at contextually to form a valid opionion."

"I guess the best QBs of all time have the highest QB rating as well." (Nobody said anything comparable)

"Dude. No one(who is respectable) uses an erp equation to determine greatness in sports. Stats are not the objective reflection of what happens on the court because stats can be manipulated and misleading. You gotta see how the games play out for yourself."

"You can't quantify a great player via mathematics son. The context is watching the game as is. A lot of other mitigating circumstances come into play such as the era, rules, competition at the time, popular coaching philosphies at that time, pre-defined position roles, etc etc etc. How you gon use math to determine who is better is laughable. No one does that."

- When asked for context on his reasons:

"To answer your question about what makes Kobe better than Wade is actually quite simple.. EVERYTHING"

So....you basically told us the statistics I put in context we're meaningless, and when asked for context, said "EVERYTHING'.

It's a really poor argument. Than you started trolling by saying "Xs and Os don't matter son. Stats have whole face value and tell the entire story. Sorry" and a bunch of other sillt responses.

You qouted all that just to show that I never said stats had no credibility.
You are trying to determine greatness with precision using solely stats and that is and always will be pure unadulterated BS.

You can't be watching the games because you would not have typed half the stuff in this thread. Riddle me this. Who had a better career or was a better ball player.

Ron Harper of Antwawn Jamison? You can tell me why in one word or 10 sentences, doesn't matter too me. I'll be able to tell if you know what you're talking about via either.

But I know you don't watch ball for real or just started in 2001 or something like that so I do not expect a real B-Ball answer.

 

[Art Barr]

It's always about somebody hating. But it's never 'Stop loving' when people overrate him.

Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, LeBron.

Space.

Duncan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, Bryant, Robertson, Wade, Barkley, Robinson.

He's in that discussion to be in the top ten. Stop acting like it's crazy to say otherwise.

top five is:

1. mj
2. kareem : wilt
3. big o
4. dr j
5. connie


those are the best actualized skill players ever...

i don't see kobe being anywhere near that and if i fleshed it out to a top ten.

i don't see kobe there either.

kobe can not beat a zone defense.....

the old players, not even in the top five.

like pete and the pearl averaged forty plus with no dunks and no threes.

the pearl shot sixty percent from the field..

kobe is so far from top ten,..it is ridiculous.




art barr

 

[Jram]

You qouted all that just to show that I never said stats had no credibility.
You are trying to determine greatness with precision using solely stats and that is and always will be pure unadulterated BS.

You can't be watching the games because you would not have typed half the stuff in this thread. Riddle me this. Who had a better career or was a better ball player.

Ron Harper of Antwawn Jamison? You can tell me why in one word or 10 sentences, doesn't matter too me. I'll be able to tell if you know what you're talking about via either.

But I know you don't watch ball for real or just started in 2001 or something like that so I do not expect a real B-Ball answer.

Stats only have credibility when it's from your subjective context, and when asked to elaborate on why, you said 'EVERYTHING'. Youy haven't wanted to discuss anything this whole thread.

 

[Luke Cage]

top five is:

1. mj
2. kareem : wilt
3. big o
4. dr j5. connie


those are the best actualized skill players ever...

i don't see kobe being anywhere near that and if i fleshed it out to a top ten.

i don't see kobe there either.

kobe can not beat a zone defense.....

the old players, not even in the top five.

like pete and the pearl averaged forty plus with no dunks and no threes.

the pearl shot sixty percent from the field..

kobe is so far from top ten,..it is ridiculous.




art barr

How is Dr J one of the top 5 when he isn't even the best SF of all time.

Larry Bird>>>>
Lebron>>>>
Elgin Baylor>>>>
Then Dr J
D Wilkens=