David_TheMan
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thought most of the bio-tech was moving up to huntsville
The Toussaint-Garvey-Nkrumah Institute
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From my naraland.com days "1:04am On Apr 25, 2013"RandomAfricanAm
Will do I have some free time.
On a side note: I wish we could do something more for brazil. When you look at history everything has been Africa-> Carribean-> U.S.->(Repeat: maybe add the UK & France at times) If you look at Bahia Brazil they have really been strong "keepers of the culture" do to their isolation from the Government/society. From what I've read they're are really welcoming of other diasporans also. I've read about a good deal of AA going down to open businesses and such so the contacts are on the ground.
It would be great to build a university thier for the people. Something along the line of...
Merchent marine school: navigation, maritime trade, ship building,
Transportation: Trucking, Railway contruction & mantinence
Mineing: mineral economics, earth sciences, materials, and environmental science and engineering.
Fisheries: fish farms, deep sea fishing, etc
Forestries: tree farms, etc.
Agriculture:
Economics:
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A history & culture department would be nice also to document Afro-brazilian & south/central american history & culture.
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(Basicaly a school dealing with extraction, distribution, and managing natural resources ***Tired of everyone trying to be a lawyer or a doctor*** Yes, they are desperatly needed but often times I smell self importent "prestige hunters" )
It would be good for Afro brazilians in helping them get their hands into the wider central/south american market. It would also be a school diasporans from central american, Africa, U.S and carribean could find useful cause lets face it.. this knowledge is needed and your not going to get it at Howard.U, etc
(yes I know there are other schools that teach these subjects but Afro-Brazilians can't get into **most** schools given thier isolation)
RandomAfricanAm
From a legality stand point I don't see how/why they could stop it
From a geopolitical stand point ...well, thats a different story. But I'm up for a battle
I think historically they deserve it and given the rising economy in Brazil it would be nice to see them positioned in society to where they can take max advantage.
I understand they know who they are. I'm talking mainly about recording and tracking who they are before and while it changes. Though how they fit into the wider "African World" would be nice also.
Example: I didn't even know that there were as many African people in south/central America growing up. I also didn't know how many retentions from Africa caried over to the U.S and carribean. I thought it was stuff people just did, not knowing they get it from/or it was derived from elsewhere.
Actualy I'm curious who would staff it.....?? I just feel a school would be the most beneficial thing to do. you could alway go the cheap rout and open businesses and let them work for you but I feel like that would be parasitic. What happens when they close or go out of business? They are back to square one. There is enough money in the diaspora to open a school(one department at a time) Especialy if it's training thats hard to get otherwise(limited seats, etc.) or a great location like Bahia Brazil!
I'd love to go to school on the beach :p
1. Open it up one department at a time.
2. Sell it as a school for Afro-Brazilians mainly along with Africa, U.S, Carribean
3. Target it at skills that are hard to get otherwise (Merchant marine)
(See: us merchant marine academy http://www.usmma.edu/ )
***remember one department at a time you can buy a fishing troller/cargo vessel***
***How much money do we blow on air/boat fair***
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@OffHalsted
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The Odum of Ala Igbo
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Bahia would be a good place to start in Brazil.
Certainly wouldn't be surprised if there where expansions given that it's a NASA hotspot and there are satellite industries that would be involved in their work.
I have a friend who went up there for chemical engineering(Colgate) now that I think about it
That said whole scale upheaval is unlikely ...and for a very mundane/plain reason. Most of the biomedical work being done is out of the medical university and the satellite hospitals/industries in the area of it. I.E. the entire UAB medical school complex isn't going to move to Huntsville out of the blue one day.
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
Will post more ideas tomorrow!
You got it
To cook it a bit more. I'm not talking about just "pockets" I'm talking swaths of the country ...and to be clear these already exist.
List of U.S. counties with African-American majority populations in 2000 - Wikipedia
List of U.S. counties with African-American majority populations in 2010 - Wikipedia
List of U.S. counties with African-American majority populations in 2010 - Wikipedia
@David_TheMan nailed it when he said....
You can pull something like that off down here because there is plenty of land to do it and also bring up the kids to replicate it...
Consolidation could push that to the state level but the great migration fukked up our ability to quickly make such moves because many people can't afford to just pickup and move back without job prospects.
Also, when talking about consolidation don't let the term "minority" or phrase "we are only %12 of the population" throw you off....
Consolidation could push that to the state level but the great migration fukked up our ability to quickly make such moves because many people can't afford to just pickup and move back without job prospects.
Also, when talking about consolidation don't let the term "minority" or phrase "we are only %12 of the population" throw you off....
Well why do I see so much nonesense on the news?
Because there are damn near 50 million African Americans in the U.S.
2015 Census Black Population Estimates
1) 46,282,080 or 14.4%: Black Only and Black in combination with another race
2) 42,632,530 or 13.3%: Black Only
3) 42,816,387 or 13.3%: ‘Black Only’ and ‘Black in combination with another race’ (non-Hispanic)
4) 39,925,949 or 12.4%: Black Only (non-Hispanic)
NOTE: The most common figures used by the Census Bureau and most other public and private organizations are 1) and 2). Since ‘Hispanic’ is an ethnicity and not a race ‘non-Hispanic’ numbers are only available for specific data.
Around 22% of which would be classified as "poor" thats...
22% = 11 million people
You are not going to miss the exploits of close to 11 million people. There are nations that have less than 11 million people.
Well there shouldn't be that many poor people!
At the point of talking about "that many" the question becomes "ok whats a good number/percentage of poor people for you?"
15% ? = 7.5 million people
10% ? = 5 million people
5% ? = 2.5 million people
2% ? = 1 million people
0% ?
The entire population of Jamaica is only 2.8 -3 million freak'n people.
Folks have to accept that African Americans are a HUGE population of people. The whole AA Minority & "we are only 13% of the country" narrative throws people off. Chinese are a minority also about 20% of the worlds population
...but it's 1.35 billion of them.
Useing the terms "minority" & "percentage" when dealing with the African American population will always throw you off.
African Americans 45-50 million people
Entire Caribbean = 44 million people
Canada = 35 million people
Australia = 23 million people
Ancient Egypt = 5 million people+/-(probably never cracked 10 mil)
South korea & Spain are the 28th - 29th largest populations of people in the world via cia fact book
South korea: 50,924,172
Spain: 48,563,476
The World Factbook — Central Intelligence Agency
African Americans are not a tiny population ...with all that entails in terms of viability & poverty. That said there are plenty of people in a variety of incomes able to invest on African soil.
Further musings on the topic of consolidation
From my naraland.com days "4:35pm On Apr 04, 2016"
From my naraland.com days "4:35pm On Apr 04, 2016"RandomAfricanAm
There is something else that needs to be added here when talking about the population of African Americans. Before I go further let me clear up the numbers...
There are enough African Americans (45 - 50)million to completely repopulate
1. Canada - 35.16 million (2013) ....and 5+ small states in the U.S.
2. The Entire Caribbean - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S.
3. The Entire Central America - 42+/- million ....and 5 small states in the U.S.
4. Louisiana 4.65 million + Mississippi 2.994 million + Alabama 4.849 million + Georgia 10.1 million + South Carolina 4.832 million + North Carolina 9.944 million
5. Central Africa minus Congo & chad(AA would be around 6th largest country population wise in Africa)
Point being that making a call on all African Americans based on ...screw it I'll go big, even 100 people(and that's an exaggeration) makes about as much sense as me going to Cape Verdi and making a call on all of west Africa. You can't go to New York or see something about Chicago on TV and make a call on people on the other side of the American continent.
People think "oh AA are just a small group of people in the U.S." .....no there is a huuuge amount of African Americans here!
Considering that the damage done to Tulsa Oklahoma is exactly what I mean when I say...
"just like Haiti and other African countries they experienced that when you have "your own", Europeans uses economic & military means to control or manipulate that space."
I'd say my position is still within it's proper context. especially considering it was civil rights legislation that opened the space to politically control the space you live in. I.E it was the civil rights legislation that allowed Malcolm's idea to be politically feasible. Now if you want it to be militarily feasible also ...buy a bunch of guns and train the people(shrugs).
Though when you control the political apparatus of the locality you also control the law enforcement. So it's actually a two for one deal. If you want an African American politically/"militarily" run area such as Malcolm envisioned move to one of the counties listed on the prior page. Though you still have to deal with...(see your own comment below)
That's neither here nor there... not only is it readily apparent that the brain drain is the "result, not the cause" we also know what it is the result of(under development caused by European enslavement /colonization of African peoples) and that the talented are the means by which that underdevelopment is corrected.
Now a better conversation would be why do we go to school for things which we have not the infrastructure to support? Be it on the continent or in the diaspora you see people trying to walk before they crawl. People in the diaspora Spending money on stupid flashy status symbols instead of using it to open a grocery store, bank, or buy/pay off your home. People on the continent with flashy "electronics"(there happy now?) and can't keep the electricity on 48 hours.
Why the hell would that "Nigerian who became a star neurosurgeon" go to school in a field that his/her country has not the infrastructure to support? If they wanted to do medicine primary care, nursing, and pharmacology would be the focus until you have the infrastructure to support "specialty medicine".
Diaspora & continent with a** backward priorities wasting great talent
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
The Sahel League
- Sahelian countries pool resources for planting and anti-desertification efforts. Will aid the eventual management of subterranean aquifers and oases & nomadic land use. Wil help poor nations have better farming and herding practises. The eventual goal is to strengthen the 'Green Wall' efforts in the Sahel, away from the influence of foreigners.
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
Afro-Nationality Law
- Grants citizenship to Afro-descendants for countries which enact this law. Can be incorporated into aspects of the Afro-Atlantic Network. I can see countries along West/West-Central Africa adopting this at first.
....The "American dream" means absolutly nothing to me. It's simply a historical point they told us in elementary school about people coming from Europe thinking the streets were paved with gold. I.E propaganda Put another way when you live here you know what the streets look like.
I actually wrote a post about this a while back, before the big data wipe that caused me to leave.............
RandomAfricanAm:
An earlier naraland thread asking "what's the Nigerian dream?" reminded me of an article I read awhile back where a group from a Caribbean country(Name not necessary) living in the U.S made the comment
"African Americans don't believe in the American dream anymore but we still believe in the American dream."
I don't disagree or agree with that assessment one way or the other. I have issue with the central topic "The American dream" and it's validity as being something to believe in. That sounds like something I vaguely remember being discussed in elementary school concerning early European settlers in the 1700-1800s thinking the cities were made of gold or something outrageous like that(which is also reminiscent of the idea European explorers had who were killing the indigenous people of the Americas in search of El dorado "the city of gold" ).
If the idea of "The American dream" is present in Nigeria...
1.Where does this idea come from?
2.How is it propagated to the children?
I'm an African American and I skip the proposition of belief altogether and say the idea of "The American Dream" holds no real meaning for me. I'm not even aware it is something I was suppose to considerThe only dream they push around here is MLKs' dream and I think that is just propaganda to keep people docile(for lack of a better word).
If I had "a dream" it would be for African people to...
1. Have our own curriculum that teaches African history and the intellectual tools to build the industries needed to protect & nurture Africa.
2. Practice our cultures without pressure from outside actors trying to change it to suit their visions of "how the world should be".
3. Use our cultures as the foundation for further cultural improvements(as oppose to whole sale adapting of others culture)
4. Have the capacity to extract, process, and manufacture all the goods Africa needs with the resources in the ground
5. Have the capacity to move all goods around the continent and trade internally.
6. Be independent of all non-African owned NGOs, production, and/or extraction corporations only leaving foreign sellers, traders, and tourist.
7. Have a resource depot for surpluses in the Caribbean, Seychelles/Mauritius, and Kerkennah Islands.(Sale surplues after domestic needs met)
8. Diaspora uses sale of Continental surplus resources from depots as base financial revenue generator to make them economically independent.
9. Funds from surplus sales are used to fund the ideas & dreams of the diaspora(banking, new business ,schools, movies, tech innovations, etc)
10. Live life as an African in contact & harmony with humanity but insulated from the political games of foreigners especialy these Europeans and their propped up "African/Black leaders" looking for favor & status.
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Oh yeah.
Systems of governance of African making; based on and respecting/integrating African cultures would be fantastic also. Economic freedom for north African Tamazight/Nubian groups so they don't have to go through Arabs to meet their needs/ambitions on their own land/continent.
Sorry that was so long winded
Speaking as one African American if I had a "dream" the above would be closer to it and that dream clearly has little to do with "America". So if I don't believe in "The American Dream" it's cause I personally have a better more fulfilling "African Dream" to work towards.
But hey, wadaya do
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Great idea for a thread, I don't have as much info as you brehs do but it seemed to me that with regards the Afro-Atlantic institute/universities you may want to include a couple of cities in Europe. If the aim is to involve ALL of the diaspora, well you have the Black people living in Paris, London, Brussels...to involve in some way. Even more so now that in Paris there's a big movement in black culture, litterature, business, etc...a lot of stuff going on right now, much different than just a couple years ago. Tmrw I'm going to an event in Brussels around afro diaspora that is being held in one of the biggest cultural instittions of the country, things are moving there too. Also the vast majority of Black people here have direct links with Africa, and a significant deal has been to the US, so there's somewhat of a "bridging" role that can be played. Basically a lot of the Black Diaspoa living in Europe have knowledge of Europe, Africa and the US, which can be useful I think 
The African Freedom Congress
(I've posted this idea before but I might as well share it again)
- First, it's not strange or unethical for ethnic groups to have their own party vehicles for their political interests. African-Americans are actually an ethnic group within the United States that has been formed by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and shaped by the American Apartheid (Jim Crow). In other countries, ethnic groups have their own parties. In the UK, there's the Scottish Nationalist Party. In Canada, there's the Parti Quebecois. In India, there's the Sikh political party of SAD.
These ethnic groups have their own political parties because they recognize that their interests are unique and distinct. Moreover, their ability to obtain public goods and services are harmed by joining other political parties. Although African-Americans are a key voting bloc for the Democrats, very few of our concerns are addressed. Even when the US President IS a self-identified African-American (Barack Obama). We need a political party which will cater to our interests in order to gain what is ours!
Let's construct the hypothetical African-American political party.Goals should be simple, for now: Increased political autonomy for African-Americans. Stronger social safety net to address poor socio-economic conditions geared towards Black people. Reparations for stolen land, labour and wealth. Increased connections with the African diaspora and African continent. Entice Black people to become the majority of states such as South Carolina, Mississippi and Georgia via migration.
The party should operate solely in municipal, gubernatorial and congressional elections.
Why not Presidential elections?
We can't win. African Americans are 13 per cent of the US population and will rise to 15 per cent by mid-century. What we can do is our political leverage in an increasingly polarizing US to move at least one major political party towards us.
Why municipal elections?
We are the demographic majority in major cities.
Why gubernatorial elections?
To protect our gains in the pockets of black political autonomy located in cities. To act as a spoiler vote similar to how we'd function during Presidential elections.
Why congressional elections?
To incentivize more legislation which will directly benefit us. They (at least one party) will need our votes in order to pass bills.
My advice to you, you guys needs to reform the Republican Party. Because as this alt-right (Strom Thurmond type) has been hijacking the party of Lincoln for decades. TBH, if it was a moderate type I'd vote for him or her if their honor was high
...or you could say fukk the dems & republicans organise nationwide on the city, county, & state level ....then for (inter)national issues sell your vote to whoever pays the piper.
I can't respect black republicans as a political group...
1. They bring nothing to the table that I can't get from garden variety black nationalism in spades.
2. They are like black nationalist sans the nationalism
3. They refuse to call out the pervasive external enemy & the worldwide system employed by that enemy.
4. They are obviously intellectually stuck in the worldview of the two party scheme.(you don't need to speak to dems or repubs till national politics)
(If neither coke nor Pepsi is good for me i'm going to drink tea ...or water. I'm not going to swap back and forth between two subpar choices)
If you hate the dems(no problem with that) and as a result(in protest) choose to go republican.
That tells me all I need to know about your small worldview and how mentally trapped you are..
From my naraland.com days "by RandomAfricanAm: 8:44am On Apr 15, 2015"Man were do I even start with this thread!?!?
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Well, I'll start at the title question since that's easiest
Simple answer: Yes. Though most of the hard critical make or break work is and has been over since the 70's 80's.
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I had to address the above statement:
I've been around here long enough to know that I disagree with the vast majority of pleeps interpretations of history and problem analysis in general. That said I must say this is yet another interpretation I disagree with. Now lets continue......
That depends on what they are afraid of and personally I can't be bothered with finding out what white people are afraid of... though I'm student enough of history to know that's a tactical mistake so I'll say that's not high on my priority list now. From my read of history It's time for those scattered pockets of African Americans to move back down to and consolidate in the black belt region.
Fortunately this is already occurring
"After nearly 100 years, Great Migration begins reversal
College grads and retirees are leading the return of blacks to the South"
-by Greg Toppo and Paul Overberg, USA TODAY 2015
After nearly 100 years, Great Migration begins reversal
Luckily it's the educated(new grads) and experienced(retirees) who come south. The need now is to turn that into business creation which would serve as a magnate for the less fortunate to move down and consolidate while having an economic slot to fill. The best example of that being Atlanta(Though we certainly don't need another strip club / gay land city down here) one of the best moves was when former mayor Andrew young told the local banks that if you don't loan to the people we are pulling the city funds out of your banks Bold move .
The issue now is that all those people who left the south to get away from the racist jim crow laws spread themselves way to thin. When the right to vote was won African Americans essentially decolonized large swaths of the southern black belt region which is were I grew up. The type of stuff you see on the news doesn't go on down here like that because we both admin the city and run the police. Most of these incidents happen in areas were African Americans are a minority in the population. Nobody is marching in greene county Alabama because the police shot an unarmed black man ...damn near all the police are black anyway.
List of U.S. counties with African-American majority populations in 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...African-American_majority_populations_in_2000
Example: when police beat this guy
There was no need to march down the street and why? Because...
Birmingham police beating video: Five officers fired
Birmingham police beating video: Five officers fired
Once you have control over the city and police you can start weeding out the B.S.
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Welfare: A White Secret
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,156084,00.html
A. Most welfare recipients are white
B. Most African Americans are not on welfare nor have they ever received welfare
C. Anything mentioned after a and b are basically pointless facts and/or assertions(yes there is a such thing as a pointless fact)
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40mil African Americans couldn't go to any one country without drastically blowing up the politics of the country. Even a big country like Nigeria wouldn't work. Remember a lot of African nations are woefully under populated in comparisons to the rest of the world(which is one of the main reasons for African Union/ Pan-Africanism) Imagine 40mil+ going to botswanna with a population of 2mil + there are more people in Metro Atlanta then that.
There are only 2 real solutions to a case like that for me.
A. Set aside a huge ass plot of land for diasporans (personally I don't like this cause I don't care for colonial boarders and admin zones)
B. Country population / Total African population =
percentage of citizenship slots to country * Total African American population = number of African Americans accepted as citizens
Feel free to check my math
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