The term Black or African American & Nationality

[GMOGMediaTV]

I thought we were backed by America considering we're citizens of America?

Tariq Elite, Recorded on 7/21/13 tariqelite on USTREAM. Comedy

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[Mr. Somebody]

Tariq Elite, Recorded on 7/21/13 tariqelite on USTREAM. Comedy

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Ill check this when i get to a better location.

 

[theworldismine13]

IDK, that's y we are talking. I have some examples.

The spot is the convo we should have... but we may not need one... if we simply had recognition as a group it would slowly effect the minds of the youth. Other groups instill that in the youth.... we don't really have nothing to instill if we believe we are part of other groups. We instill America.. .but when the majority of our children grow up they grow up in a world that stereotypes them and hides their history. They become adults and whether successful or not- they really don't have the mindset to want unity or contribute to it...and without that we can't rise. so we end up with trillions in indentured servitude power; not buying power. We are too ingrained with the man that raped us. That really is some sick shyt. IT's like if a guy molested a woman as a lil girl, but now the guy is sorta friendly towards her as an adult, but still looks at her like a cum bucket... then she still just wants to be apart of his life and maybe his girlfriend if it's possible. That's how we are.

Or r u a gay rights supporter?... imma piggy back off that movement, lol since they do the reverse: They want validation. They say they want rights when they already have basic rights, they are all over TV and media.. they are good in society for the most part, but it's important to get marriage n other shyt because they want validation for a lifestyle - we all deserve to love who we want and it should be recognized as normal - is the stance. They organize, they infiltrate, they have formed a respectable movement with that one goal in mind. We need to do something similar because we are all over the place, and we all want to talk shyt to each other over dem/GOP, religion, music, etc - When in reality We can't afford to do all that because we have more people in Prison than were in slavery and we are dead economically. and some cities are graduating less than 30% of us.

i think you have to get your fundamentals right before you can move to the next level, if you moved everybody from detroit into "the spot" it would simply create another detroit

there is nothing special about land, what makes a land special is the people

personally i think black people need to focus on taking over america, that is where the battle line is, whoever controls america controls the world, i dont think we need a "spot", we are already in the spot, we just dont have the sophistication and the education to take advantage of it

the main reason why black people are doing so bad is that black people do not have a culture that is focused on education, and in a lot of ways its actually anti academic, that is the fundamental thing black people need to fix

Also, The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a plan for the future government of Palestine backed by Zionism. Was pushed by Zionism. Would have never happened with out a unified front of Jewish interest and Pro-Identify mindset. At first the UK was blocking immigration to the Mid East - white paper. The Jews but up money and weapons and force to get people to support them. The US came on board and encouraged the UK to hop on the train - but that only happened because by then Jews had power with the Dollar and were becoming a major influence of our leaders and politicians. - Zionism. They didn't give up.... the way we did after the FBI and others fuked us up in the 1960's. When the Jews did the mass immigration the UK packed them up and took them to France - they didn't go , they went back to Mid East and set up shop... the didn't give no fukks and didn't integrate with anyone. They said fukk everyone who wasn't a Jew and they were successful. They did ALL this because even with money, power, history, etc- you aren't shyt without the equivalent of Zionism. All it would take is another dictator to fuk them over and burn them up for the 2thousandth time.. they got tired and we should too.

We aren't tired though because the world has learned in the 20th century that if you pacify a people you don't need chains. We are the most blissful people on Earth.. aka happy with the JayZ's and Oprah. and happy with a 40K job while our people suffer.

i think you are seriously delusional about the UN, everything the UN does goes through Washington DC first, and then its rubber stamped by the UN, the Jews got theirs because the had a lot of influence in washington DC and in London, the Palestinians didnt

The UN is a useless, toothless organization completely dominated by western interests, <----------- im surprised i have to actually say or explain that, you have a serious misunderstanding of global politics if you think the jews got isreal because of the UN

 

[The Message]

What rights do you not have at the moment friend, by law?

By law I have the right to take a late drive to clear my head, but if I'm in a neighborhood that the police feel I dont belong, then my right is up for debate.

By law, if I'm accused of a crime I do have the right to a fair investigation and trial but history shows us...

By law, with a great credit history, nice down payment and nice salary I shouldnt be a victim to redlining or predatory lending .

By law, I should be able to work anywhere I choose, but my experiences tell me, while legitimately qualified, my application gets tossed out.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

By law I have the right to take a late drive to clear my head, but if I'm in a neighborhood that the police feel I dont belong, then my right is up for debate.

By law, if I'm accused of a crime I do have the right to a fair investigation and trial but history shows us...

By law, with a great credit history, nice down payment and nice salary I shouldnt be a victim to redlining or predatory lending .

By law, I should be able to work anywhere I choose, but my experiences tell me, while legitimately qualified, my application gets tossed out.

I see so it seems like the problem isnt with the law but with the demons that enforce it.

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[theworldismine13]

By law I have the right to take a late drive to clear my head, but if I'm in a neighborhood that the police feel I dont belong, then my right is up for debate.

By law, if I'm accused of a crime I do have the right to a fair investigation and trial but history shows us...

By law, with a great credit history, nice down payment and nice salary I shouldnt be a victim to redlining or predatory lending .

By law, I should be able to work anywhere I choose, but my experiences tell me, while legitimately qualified, my application gets tossed out.

none of that makes you not a citizen, that just makes you a citizen whose rights have been violated

 

[The Message]

none of that makes you not a citizen, that just makes you a citizen whose rights have been violated

To me, citizens who historically have their rights violated and not respected are not citizens, regardless of what any amendment says.

 

[theworldismine13]

To me, citizens who historically have their rights violated and not respected are not citizens, regardless of what any amendment says.

yeah i understand, but that is simply an emotional statement, if you want to vent thats cool

but its not a legal statement and its not a framework that gives you any standing to fight for your rights

 

[Blackking]

i think you are seriously delusional about the UN, everything the UN does goes through Washington DC first, and then its rubber stamped by the UN, the Jews got theirs because the had a lot of influence in washington DC and in London, the Palestinians didnt

The UN is a useless, toothless organization completely dominated by western interests, <----------- im surprised i have to actually say or explain that, you have a serious misunderstanding of global politics if you think the jews got isreal because of the UN

I didn't even say the UN held the power - I clearly stated how the situation played out.

never said they got it because of the UN.... wasn't speaking who give that to them... I was referring to their influence, them not giving up with the setbacks, and how the process worked... if you re read what I wrote you may see. I'm not confused on the situation... you need to really see why I even brought up that situation... the mentality is what got them the influence that sparked the US to force the UK.

 

[theworldismine13]

I didn't even say the UN held the power - I clearly stated how the situation played out.

never said they got it because of the UN.... wasn't speaking who give that to them... I was referring to their influence, them not giving up with the setbacks, and how the process worked... if you re read what I wrote you may see. I'm not confused on the situation... you need to really see why I even brought up that situation... the mentality is what got them the influence that sparked the US to force the UK.

oh ok, to me it sounded like you were piggy backing of the gibberish ukbeats was saying, because he kept on bringing up the UN also

i agree that black people can learn from what the jews did, and what they did was 1) they had a culture that focused on education 2) they embraced capitalism, banking and financial systems 3) they used their influence in the UK and US to get what they wanted

i think those are things are 3 things black people should follow IMO, i cant even see this whole "lets get a new spot" thing, i m not agaisnt it but to me i think black people need to double down on america and double down on education and double down on capitalism

 

[Blackking]

i think you have to get your fundamentals right before you can move to the next level, if you moved everybody from detroit into "the spot" it would simply create another detroit

there is nothing special about land, what makes a land special is the people

personally i think black people need to focus on taking over america, that is where the battle line is, whoever controls america controls the world, i dont think we need a "spot", we are already in the spot, we just dont have the sophistication and the education to take advantage of it

the main reason why black people are doing so bad is that black people do not have a culture that is focused on education, and in a lot of ways its actually anti academic, that is the fundamental thing black people need to fix

The main reason why black people are doing so bad..... has nothing to do with black people... it's not as if we begged to be in this situation. The reason we continue the after effects of that oppression is due in part to us - I do agree with that.

I don't like it when people say we aren't focused on education (mainly because millions of blacks strive for higher education each year and struggle to get that shyt)... lil black kids are focused (for the most part) just as much as any kid... so the simple fact that- that focus diminishes and goes away more every year after 2nd grade should tell you that it's more complicated than books. And we should also acknowledge that most white people's culture isn't centered around education.... but we have to be hyper focused on education in order to barley have an influence in America. That's why it's more than culture and education that we need... we can have both those things and still be at a disadvantage.

The university of California and U of M study shows that something as simple as living in a segregated area forced by history can lead to higher crime rates regardless of culture.... concentration of poverty and disadvantage associated with high levels of segregation leads to more crime - not simply being black and urban leads to criminal behavior and culture. From a from a psychological perspective there are mental traumas that subconsciously form in the minds of Urban and middle class blacks (even the conscious amongst us) that stem from living in a racially dangerous society - it worse when a society pretends that it's not that type of society. By the time a kid is 15 he's dealing with more subconscious shyt than he should have to unknowingly deal with just from being young and black. Modern racism has evolved from aggressive prejudicial behavior to a more subtle form. Also, Studies everywhere show that racism increases the higher up in society you get- so we have to bust pass every ceiling that we get to; instead of riding the elevator that is designed for the people the Constitution was intended for.....

I'm all for education.. that doesn't solve every issue and it's naïve to think so. And we don't need to be knowledgeable of all the particular details and effects to make excuses or to simply speak on what our society or cac are up to... we need to know these things so that we can fix them within ourselves. Without fixing all these things and just pushing for education, businesses etc - will make sure those things never happen on a mass scale. And you can't fix a car without knowing about diagnosis... how do you fix a culture without knowing what's wrong. Your car stops working... you can't just assume you need more gas.

 

[theworldismine13]

The main reason why black people are doing so bad..... has nothing to do with black people... it's not as if we begged to be in this situation. The reason we continue the after effects of that oppression is due in part to us - I do agree with that.

I don't like it when people say we aren't focused on education (mainly because millions of blacks strive for higher education each year and struggle to get that shyt)... lil black kids are focused (for the most part) just as much as any kid... so the simple fact that- that focus diminishes and goes away more every year after 2nd grade should tell you that it's more complicated than books. And we should also acknowledge that most white people's culture isn't centered around education.... but we have to be hyper focused on education in order to barley have an influence in America. That's why it's more than culture and education that we need... we can have both those things and still be at a disadvantage.

The university of California and U of M study shows that something as simple as living in a segregated area forced by history can lead to higher crime rates regardless of culture.... concentration of poverty and disadvantage associated with high levels of segregation leads to more crime - not simply being black and urban leads to criminal behavior and culture. From a from a psychological perspective there are mental traumas that subconsciously form in the minds of Urban and middle class blacks (even the conscious amongst us) that stem from living in a racially dangerous society - it worse when a society pretends that it's not that type of society. By the time a kid is 15 he's dealing with more subconscious shyt than he should have to unknowingly deal with just from being young and black. Modern racism has evolved from aggressive prejudicial behavior to a more subtle form. Also, Studies everywhere show that racism increases the higher up in society you get- so we have to bust pass every ceiling that we get to; instead of riding the elevator that is designed for the people the Constitution was intended for.....

I'm all for education.. that doesn't solve every issue and it's naïve to think so. And we don't need to be knowledgeable of all the particular details and effects to make excuses or to simply speak on what our society or cac are up to... we need to know these things so that we can fix them within ourselves. Without fixing all these things and just pushing for education, businesses etc - will make sure those things never happen on a mass scale. And you can't fix a car without knowing about diagnosis... how do you fix a culture without knowing what's wrong. Your car stops working... you can't just assume you need more gas.

i dont agree, i think it has everything to do with black people and i think just about every problem is tied to education, specifically the culture of education in the black community, until that changes i dont think you can have any fundamental change

i believe in fighting for individual rights and economic rights, i dont believe in "fighting racism" and i dont think there is anything inherently wrong with segregation as long as its not government mandated

 

[Blackking]

i dont agree, i think it has everything to do with black people and i think just about every problem is tied to education, specifically the culture of education in the black community, until that changes i dont think you can have any fundamental change

i believe in fighting for individual rights and economic rights, i dont believe in "fighting racism" and i dont think there is anything inherently wrong with segregation as long as its not government mandated

It never was government mandated - that was fake.... it was always mandated by the same things... those are the things I'm against.... and we disagree - people live in a fantasy world if they think black are inherently opposed to education. That's like saying a crack head is against smelling good.....

 

[theworldismine13]

It never was government mandated - that was fake.... it was always mandated by the same things... those are the things I'm against.... and we disagree - people live in a fantasy world if they think black are inherently opposed to education. That's like saying a crack head is against smelling good.....

actually it was government mandated and im against government mandated segregation, but that's it, i think the whole integration thing is corny and a failure, i already stated my views on that in the integration thread

i think if people choose to voluntarily segregate, that is fine, i think everybody has the right to live wherever they want to live and im tired of this whole thing of thinking that having black people concentrated in an area is a bad thing

and yeah black people do have an anti academic culture, and that is the main thing that holds us back, not white racism

 

[The Message]

yeah i understand, but that is simply an emotional statement, if you want to vent thats cool

but its not a legal statement and its not a framework that gives you any standing to fight for your rights

That's not emotional, that's fact.