The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[The Devil's Advocate]

And that just made me think of something... Which further goes into why the hell it's too much to be figuring this shyt out.....


True Story:

My godmother is ADOS.. Same as my family, her whole family is ADOS... She's in showbiz and moved to London to do stage acting in her 20s.. Got married to another ADOS who moved there from the states. They got married and had two daughters. Then I was born in Philly. shyt went left and we had to move there too. I lived there 2 years, back to Philly. My godparents stayed and the daughters didn't come to America until 25....

Now we're all older. I have kids that were born in America. The two daughters have moved back to America and had children in the US as well........


WHO THE fukk IS BLACK??? All of us ADOS technically. Some of us born here, some not.. But the british two were not born here, were not raised here, didn't grow up in our culture.. But they are ADOS, literally and figuratively (citizens and children of ADOS). But they also foreign blacks.. But then their kids were born here in America.. They are ADOS in all aspects.. But not foreign blacks but their parents are.. But their grandparents aren't

Do you know how many times that happens in a FAMILY? A black family where half the family or one part may go to America... start a life. Send for the others later.. Have kids in the meantime. Some of the kids go back. Some more family comes over.. Mixing foreign and black all up in there.


And for what exactly? I need to bust my brain thinking bout how to classify every black person I see. When I can just say "hey black man how you doing" and carry myself however he wants to take it? Let it go brehs.. It's not that deep. If you're willing to accept a white woman's son as a black man, then be willing to accept a foreign black man as a black man too

 

[Budda]

Ima be honest with you, Breh.

I feel like Pan-Africanism is now being used against us in a way.

People aren't on this Pan-African IDEOLOGY until we start setting boundaries, then as soon as one of us caves in and lets them go on with their agenda, they come back and use the benefit to help their people. (Samuel L. Jackson and that dude from Star Wars)

Why wouldn't you want them to help their people, you sound like a outright white supremacist.

John Boyega is playing no diaspora wars, his a black Brit which in itself comprises dozens of ethnicities, him helping his people is him helping people of Africa descent regardless of them being from Jamaica Nigeria or Ghana, if you have a problem with that then you are a bonafife weirdo.

 

[Wiseborn]

dude, stop posting ducktales

what are you talking about?

 

[96Blue]

Why wouldn't you want them to help their people, you sound like a outright white supremacist.

John Boyega is playing no diaspora wars, his a black Brit which in itself comprises dozens of ethnicities, him helping his people is him helping people of Africa descent regardless of them being from Jamaica Nigeria or Ghana, if you have a problem with that then you are a bonafife weirdo.

I don't have a problem with John Boyega helping his people, but Samuel L. Jackson was trying to help us and John Boyega going at him was disrespectful. You don't get to use that "we all Black" bullshyt to your advantage and ONLY help your people, but get mad when we do the same, because if you want to be real, people only use that "we all Black" bullshyt when it comes to something they're trying to get from us, which is why I said "Pan-Africanism is being used against us", not for us.

 

[El Bombi]

@The Devil's Advocate is clearly an hurt immigrant.

Dude has basically wrote a whole term paper worth of words in this thread.

 

[Budda]

I don't have a problem with John Boyega helping his people, but Samuel L. Jackson was trying to help us and John Boyega going at him was disrespectful. You don't get to use that "we all Black" bullshyt to your advantage and ONLY help your people, but get mad when we do the same, because if you want to be real, people only use that "we all Black" bullshyt when it comes to something they're trying to get from us, which is why I said "Pan-Africanism is being used against us", not for us.

John Boyega barely said anything. You think he supposed to reject roles from Hollywood cause Samuel L Jackson or other actors feel a way?

Did you have a problem with Idris Elba playing Stringer Bell in The Wire? The thing is White British Actors take away roles from White American actors also.... That’s an American and British problem, Hollywood feel as if many British actors get a better education in the arts than their counterparts in America, I understand the argument on both sides, but in general its a menial argument that’s not going to really influence anything. ADOS have played African roles many a time, and if an ADOS wanted to eat in for example Nollywood, he could quite easily, half the films are Nigerians doing American accents anyways.

Really You should be siding with John Boyega because he is by all accounts a real Nikka, he talks up black women, he dates them quite unapologetically(and says it in public also), yet you are going at him because he has Nigerian ancestry.. John Boyega is not a c00n but Michael B Jordan might be....

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Do you see how you said all that and in the end you said "black immigrant"... so they black right?

they are "black" racially speaking based on OUR (ADOS) or USAmerican perception of them but that doesn't mean that THEY see themselves that way since it's a foreign identifier to them

2. No.. It was made hot by white slavers who group a bunch of different tribes and countrymen into ships, and named them all "******s", "negros" and "blacks" Seeing how we wasn't speaking their language, we learned FROM THEM, that's what we were, and naturally began calling ourselves that. And like "******", it seems that we are now trying to flip and bounce "black" to only mean American born ADOS and not the color of your skin like it's been since they got us. Black people I've read about in history, was calling themselves black and being called black in every country in this world.

nope; the modern "black" concept was created by ADOS, the same ADOS who were "One Droping" themselves before it became a law in the early 1900s

more below

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Afram Identity: The "black" concept; the one-drop rule and its influence/connection to the Pan-African, agenda

1st, contrary to popular belief: WHITE americans didn't invent one-droppism. It wasn't even a law by white people until the 1910's

Strangely enough, the one-drop rule was not made law until the early 20th century. This was decades after the Civil War, emancipation, and the Reconstruction era.

The first challenges to such state laws were overruled by Supreme Court decisions which upheld state constitutions that effectively disfranchised many. White Democratic-dominated legislatures proceeded with passing Jim Crow laws that instituted racial segregation in public places and accommodations, and passed other restrictive voting legislation. In Plessy v. Ferguson, the Supreme Court allowed racial segregation of public facilities, under the "separate but equal" doctrine.

Jim Crow laws reached their greatest influence during the decades from 1910 to 1930. Among them were hypodescent laws, defining as black anyone with any black ancestry, or with a very small portion of black ancestry.[3] Tennessee adopted such a "one-drop" statute in 1910, and Louisiana soon followed. Then Texas and Arkansas in 1911, Mississippi in 1917, North Carolina in 1923, Virginia in 1924, Alabama and Georgia in 1927, and Oklahoma in 1931. During this same period, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and Utah retained their old "blood fraction" statutes de jure, but amended these fractions (one-sixteenth, one-thirty-second) to be equivalent to one-drop de facto.[18]

Before 1930, individuals of visible mixed European and African ancestry were usually classed as mulatto, or sometimes as black and sometimes as white, depending on appearance. Previously, most states had limited trying to define ancestry before "the fourth degree" (great-great-grandparents).

It was created by Northern USA, Aframs. The modern Afram identity which is based on the "Black" concept and influenced by one-droppism; originated with free blacks in places like New York, Philadelphia, Boston etc...in the 1800s

this exact process played out when Frederick Douglas who was from the South, went North and encountered "Black Yankees"

Douglass considered himself to be neither White nor Black, but both. His multiracial self-identity showed in his first autobiography. Introducing his father in Narrative, Douglass wrote, “My father was a white man.” In this text, his mother was a stranger whom he had never seen in daylight, he could not picture her face, and he was unmoved by news of her death.4 Not only did Douglass adopt a fictional Scottish hero’s name, he emphasized his (perhaps imagined) Scots descent through his father.



Douglass’s cruelest discovery came after he broke with the Garrisonians and went out on his own. Abolitionist friends of both endogamous groups had warned him that there was nothing personal in how Garrison had used him. The public did not want an intermediary; they wanted an articulate Black. Douglass soon discovered that his friends were right. His newspaper, The North Star,failed to sell because it had no market; White Yankees wanted to read White publications and Black Yankees wanted to read Black ones. Indeed, Black political leaders resented Douglass’s distancing himself from Black ethno-political society. There was no room in Massachusetts for a man who straddled the color line.

Douglass dutifully reinvented himself. He applied himself to learning Black Yankee culture. “He began to build a closer relationship with… Negro leaders and with the Negro people themselves, to examine the whole range of Negro problems,





The clash between how Douglass saw himself in 1838 and the public persona that he was forced to portray, was due to the presence of African-American ethnicity in the North.17 Free citizens of part-African ancestry in the South, especially in the lower South, lacked the sense of common tradition associated with ethnic self-identity.

Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » The Color Line Created African-American Ethnicity in the North

3. It does mean something and they do go by blackness. Have you fukking been there? Yea they say their tribe or their nation, cause they know it unlike us.. That doesn't mean they don't call themselves black and link with other black brothers and consider them equals..

only recently because of familiarization with ADOS/USA concepts

Jamaica

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haiti

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ethios

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west africa

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sudanese

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west indies








latin/south america

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People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black

By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer

At her small apartment near the National Cathedral in Northwest Washington, Maria Martins quietly watched as an African American friend
studied a picture of her mother. "Oh," the friend said, surprise in her voice. "Your mother is white."

She turned to Martins. "But you are black."

That came as news to Martins, a Brazilian who, for 30 years before immigrating to the United States, looked in the mirror and saw a morena
-- a woman with caramel-colored skin that is nearly equated with whiteness in Brazil and some other Latin American countries. "I didn't realize
I was black until I came here," she said.

That realization has come to hundreds of thousands of dark-complexioned immigrants to the United States from Brazil, Colombia, Panama
and other Latin nations with sizable populations of African descent. Although most do not identify themselves as black, they are seen that way
as soon as they set foot in North America.











Those perceptions come to the United States with the light- and dark-complexioned Latinos who carry them. But here, they collide with two contradictory forces:
North American prejudice and African American pride.

'I've Learned to Be Proud'

Vilson DaSilva, a native of Brazil, is a moreno. Like his wife, Maria Martins, he was born to a black father and a white mother. But their views on race seem to
differ.

During an interview when Martins said she had no idea how they had identified themselves on the 2000 Census form, DaSilva rolled his eyes. "I said we were
black," he said.

He is one of a growing number of Latin immigrants of African descent who identify themselves as Afro-Latino, along the same color spectrum as African Americans.

"I've learned to be proud of my color," he said. For that, he thanked African American friends who stand up for equal rights.



DaSilva agreed that nuances separate African Americans and Afro-Latinos, but he also believes that seeing Latin America through African American eyes gave him a
better perspective. Unfortunately, he said, it also made him angrier and more stressed.




Martins said her perspective on race was slowly conforming to the American view, but it saddened her. She doesn't understand why she can't call a pretty black girl
a negrita, the way Latin Americans always say it, with affection. She doesn't understand why she has to say she's black, seeming to deny the existence of her
mother.

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People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black

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Dark-Skinned Or Black? How Afro-Brazilians Are Forging A Collective Identity

If you want to get a sense of how complex racial identity is in Brazil, you should meet sisters Francine and Fernanda Gravina. Both have the same mother and father. Francine, 28, is blond with green eyes and white skin. She wouldn't look out of place in Iceland. But Fernanda, 23, has milk chocolate skin with coffee colored eyes and hair. Francine describes herself as white, whereas Fernanda says she's morena, or brown-skinned.

"We'd always get questions like, 'How can you be so dark skinned and she's so fair?'" Fernanda says. In fact, the sisters have German, Italian, African and indigenous ancestry. But in Brazil, Fernanda explains, people describe themselves by color, not race, since nearly everyone here is mixed.

All of that is to say, collecting demographic information in Brazil has been really tricky. The latest census, taken in 2010, found for the first time that Brazil has the most people of African descent outside Africa. No, this doesn't mean that Afro-Brazilian population suddenly, dramatically increased. Rather, the new figures reflect changing attitudes about race and skin color in Brazil.

"There is a totally different system here than in the U.S., where one drop of black blood makes you black independent of appearance," Petruccelli says. In Brazil, it's about how you'd like to classify yourself, and how others see you. The problem, he says, is that Afro-Brazilians have no sense of collective identity, which makes it difficult to address the very real problem of racism and racial inequality in the country.

But lately, that's starting to change, and the black pride movement in Brazil is growing.




Werneck says the black pride movement is also lobbying to change the next census in 2020 to include the word black. Pardo and preto, she says, are euphemisms. Afro-Brazilians should take a cue from African-Americans, she says, and broadcast to society that they're black and proud.

The disconnect I have, is y'all seeming to think you got the ownership of "black." You're going to determine who's black. Who isn't black. Who is blacker than the other black. You'll let other races be more black than other blacks. You'll treat a foreign black different than an american black. You'll think he's looking for a handout.

ADOS invented the entire concept; see my post from above on the history


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[IllmaticDelta]

The disconnect I have, is y'all seeming to think you got the ownership of "black." You're going to determine who's black. Who isn't black. Who is blacker than the other black. You'll let other races be more black than other blacks. You'll treat a foreign black different than an american black. You'll think he's looking for a handout. You'll think he's hating on you. You think he's going to take from your white man payback.. I just can't get with it. Africanness, Blackness.... This ain't 1745 anymore man.. We haven't got the reparations we asking for and we already classifying blackness on which black people to exclude. Don't you worry. The white man will make sure he pays the least out to the least amount of anyway. You don't need to do the work for him. If a black man from LA or South Africa disrespects you, go in his jaw, or talk to him.. But I'm not going to start off PRE JUDGING another black man.


And I keep saying this... NOBODY IS BLACKER THAN THE OTHER. My mixed cousins aren't blacker than my black cousins born in England... Especially when the ones in London got 4 ADOS grandparents and 2 ADOS parents... Da fukk? They are the SAME BLACK to me. They'd actually both be getting reparations and the English ones would get more, based on their lineage, than the mixed ADOS ones, cause they got a white parent..

It's too damn much classification. Unless you don't move around, there's no way you going to come into contact with this many people around the world, and have such a narrow view of what's black.. Not even what's black. You guys really have a sliding scale of degrees of blackness and who can be... and on this scale you have half white people blacker than black black people...

NO

no one said that they weren't "black" based on a "africaness" scale; they are very africoid, but they aren't/can't be "blacker" culturally, no matter what struggle they had/phenotype they have than the likes of people who invented "blackness" so no, a "pure black" african can't be "blacker" than any of the ADOS you see below

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Three African-American guests delve deep into their family trees, discovering unexpected stories that challenge our assumptions about black history. Find local listings here: TV Schedule | Watch | Finding Your Roots

Bryant Gumbel learns that his surname comes from a German Jewish community by way of his second great grandfather — a white man who arrived in America midway through the Civil War. He also learns that on a different line of his father’s family, his second great grandfather was a manumitted slave who signed up for the Confederate army in New Orleans, then changed sides when the Union arrived in his city.

Tonya Lewis-Lee, a descendant of free people of color going back centuries on her father’s side, learns about her mother’s unknown heritage, including her third great-grandfather, a slave who fought for the Union only to struggle with poverty later in life.

Suzanne Malveaux discovers that her roots include a black slave owner, a French-Canadian fur trader, and a Native American from the Kaskaskia tribe. Along the way, our guests are reminded that there is no universal African American narrative — that there are as many ways to be black as there are black people.

they can be more more "African" w/o question but "blackness" is a whole other thing. ADOS pioneered:

black power

black nationalism

black studies

black pride

ethiopianism

black arts

black theology

.........I can go on and on

 

[Big Boda]

@The Devil's Advocate is clearly an hurt immigrant.

Dude has basically wrote a whole term paper worth of words in this thread.

You see it.

They've already shown they will take their tethering that far.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

what are you talking about?

this dumb sh1t

It's a huge difference between a country ass nikka from Alabama and a fly nikka from Brooklyn. They don't even look the same.

Where your people from?

New York, and you know what I mean. a breh from the city because of rampant race mixing with PR's look different from Gullah people from South Carolina.

that's pure fantasy and idiotic posting of ducktales

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

@The Devil's Advocate is clearly an hurt immigrant.

Dude has basically wrote a whole term paper worth of words in this thread.

Got nothing to say worth a damn so you insult me how? By calling me an angry immigrant?

let’s do a ban bet on my birth certificate fam. Just like I thought. Angry at other black people damn near more than white Americans.


Shameful. I’ll exit unless you wanna make that bet

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

they are "black" racially speaking based on OUR (ADOS) or USAmerican perception of them but that doesn't mean that THEY see themselves that way since it's a foreign identifier to them








nope; the modern "black" concept was created by ADOS; the same ADOS who were "One Droping" themselves before it became a law in the early 1900s

more below

Spoiler

Afram Identity: The "black" concept; the one-drop rule and it's influence/connection to the Pan-African, agenda

1st, contrary to popular belief: WHITE americans didn't invent one-droppism. It wasn't even a law by white people until the 1910's





It was created by Northern USA, Aframs. The modern Afram identity which is based on the "Black" concept and influenced by one-droppism; originated with free blacks in places like New York, Philadelphia, Boston etc...in the 1800s

this exact process played out when Frederick Douglas who was from the South, went North and encountered "Black Yankees"

Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » The Color Line Created African-American Ethnicity in the North

only recently because of familiarization with ADOS/USA concepts

Jamaica

Spoiler

haiti

Spoiler

ethios

Spoiler

west africa

Spoiler

sudanese

Spoiler

west indies








latin/south america

Spoiler

People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black




People of Color Who Never Felt They Were Black

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Dark-Skinned Or Black? How Afro-Brazilians Are Forging A Collective Identity

ADOS invented the entire concept; see my post from above on the history


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Brother.....


Do you see what you said first? They are black but that doesn’t mean they see themselves that way.

so what’s got everyone so up in arms, while I keep saying I understand y’all, about me saying “I’m going to consider each individual black until they show me otherwise.”


That’s all I been saying. I see them and I see a black person. If they say they ain’t or come off as seeing me as less than them, then I’ll change my thinking about THAT individual.


I keep trying to explain it 10000 ways. I’m sure y’all understand my thinking. You just don’t agree with it. That’s ok. What the hell everyone so mad at my way of thinking for? Live your life.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Brother.....


Do you see what you said first? They are black but that doesn’t mean they see themselves that way.

so what’s got everyone so up in arms, while I keep saying I understand y’all, about me saying “I’m going to consider each individual black until they show me otherwise.”

my point is that it's possible for an ADOS biracial to be "blacker" than a person straight from africa because the concept of "black" is intrinsic to ADOS identity/culture no matter what they look like whereas foreign blacks find that label alien and have to LEARN how to be "black"

Jamaica

Letter from Marcus Garvey to an ADOS leader:

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Ethiopia


when Alan Locke asked Hallie Selassie if he and his people were "black", Hallie replied: "we're all african.....that's good enough" as a way to sidestep the "black" label

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Brazil

That’s all I been saying. I see them and I see a black person. If they say they ain’t or come off as seeing me as less than them, then I’ll change my thinking about THAT individual.


I keep trying to explain it 10000 ways. I’m sure y’all understand my thinking. You just don’t agree with it. That’s ok. What the hell everyone so mad at my way of thinking for? Live your life.

your way of seeing "blackness" is flawed because it's based on racial purity in the form of stereotypical "africoidness"; this has never been a must in the realm of "blackness"

Half white people more black than actual 100% black people because they are born in another part of the world


Amazing.


Good night

you are arguing with a guy who argued that this kid is more black than Serge Ibaka



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which is what @Cadillac was trying to tell you in this post

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-tariq-nasheed-thread.5638/page-710#post-40273817

 

[Houston911]

my point is that it's possible for an ADOS biracial to be "blacker" than a person straight from africa because the concept of "black" is intrinsic to ADOS identity/culture no matter what they look like whereas foreign blacks find that label alien and have to LEARN how to be "black"

Jamaica

Letter from Marcus Garvey to an ADOS leader:

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Ethiopia


when Alan Locke asked Hallie Selassie if he and his people were "black", Hallie replied: "we're all african.....that's good enough" as a way to sidestep the "black" label

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Brazil

your way of seeing "blackness" is flawed because it's based on racial purity in the form of stereotypical "africoidness"; this has never been a must in the relm of "blackness"







which is what @Cadillac was trying to tell you in this post

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-tariq-nasheed-thread.5638/page-710#post-40273817

the child is white. I don’t give a shyt what people were doing in 1890, 1920, or 1940. All that shyt is dead

that child is white, straight up.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

the child is white. I don’t give a shyt what people were doing in 1890, 1920, or 1940. All that shyt is dead

that child is white, straight up.

2020 ADOS and black identified