You're talking about Africaness not Blackness which was birthed in America.
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IllmaticDelta
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You're still taking "africaness" rooted in so called "pure" phenotypes; "blackness" is more elastic and encapsulates a wider range of phenotypes along with thoughts that are foreign to continental africans and most afros in the carib/south/latin america.
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IllmaticDelta
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Ima be honest with you, Breh.dude, stop posting ducktales
I feel like Pan-Africanism is now being used against us in a way.
People aren't on this Pan-African IDEOLOGY until we start setting boundaries, then as soon as one of us caves in and lets them go on with their agenda, they come back and use the benefit to help their people. (Samuel L. Jackson and that dude from Star Wars)
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Eddie_1100
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Lunacy.
K.O.N.Y
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exactly base "black American culture- The culture that most post 70s blacks adopt, is heavily dependent on Ados culture. Enabling other diasporan Americans to filter their individual ethnic cultures through it as well
This is especially evident in the urban northeast. Or nyc specifically
Here in NYC a diasporan will use a proto aave-ados derived accent as a BASE accent. And then go into their ethnic accents at will-For an example
How?
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
Much of modern pan africanism is heavily predicated on Aframs compromising aspects of our culture and identity
If that doesn't happen, the whole thing falls apart. Which is why the whole thing in its current form, comes off extremely disingenuous
IllmaticDelta
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modern pan africanism is founded on aspects that evolved out of ADOS concepts/agendas:
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some context as to why the afram "black" identity concept is/was important for global Pan-Africanism. First: A Nigerian
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie: “Brazil has a race problem, black people don’t have access to positions of power”
In an interview with Marie Claire, the Nigerian writer analyzes the institutionalized racism in Brazil and reflects on the turn to the right: “It is important to remember that Brazil is a country of immigrants. If we had that same rhetoric [of prejudice] before, the president of the country would probably not even be there.”
Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, one of today’s leading feminists and thinkers, is on the cover and on the pages of Marie Claire’s special anniversary edition.
Behind the scenes, Chimamanda chatted with us about the evolution of her works. “I learned by reading stories that all humans are flawed. We are not perfect and we don’t have to be,” she points out.
“I didn’t know I was black until I went to the United States. I didn’t understand myself as black because in Nigeria everyone is black,” she says, reflecting on the racism she suffered when she arrived on another continent. This, too, made her understand how being black was more than skin color, but a political identity.
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Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie: "Brazil has a race problem, black people don't have access to positions of power" - Black Women Of Brazil
you didn't know you were black?
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from a South African:
Why I’m no longer talking to Nigerians about race.
I had something of this regional “experience gap” in mind when I gate crashed the Aké panel, which began as I expected: How can we as Africans be concerned about Black Lives Matter in the United States when we were not looking after our own in our countries? What are African Americans saying about the Chibok girls? While some of these rhetorical questions contained valid concerns, they were undermined by the generally dismissive and flippant tone towards the subject of race and blackness that I’ve come to expect from many Africans who did not grow up in “former” settler colonies. Fortunately, Kinna Likamini, who had also lived in Zimbabwe and the United States, was able to make the global and historical links of black people within the context of global white supremacy.
A lack of a direct experience of another’s pain is not the basis for dismissal, it is an opportunity to demonstrate empathy and, more importantly, solidarity. How can we have any meaningful pan-African, and indeed any other kind of, solidarity if we lack empathy for those whose experiences we do not share? Where would the world be if sharing a common experience was the first requirement for supporting another’s struggle? The irony which seems to be lost on Nigerians who choose to dismiss the struggles of their black sisters is that their country has a long tradition of supporting the struggle for liberation in Southern Africa’s minority white settler regimes[/quote]
When we talk of solidarity politics we must ask ourselves: What happens when we find ourselves as visitors to the houses of our brothers and sisters? What if we find ourselves permanent adoptees in their homes? How do we behave in our adoptive homes? How then do we respond to the fire in our sisters’ homes? When we do criticize our sisters do we do so out of love or out of contempt? A deep sense of empathy or superior dismissiveness?
The answer is critical.
Of late I think much about these questions, questions of racial and political solidarity, because I’ve recently moved to America and often have to remind myself that this is not my mother’s house. There are things I do not quite understand and must learn about this country. This is despite the fact that it’s a country I’ve always felt quite familiar and comfortable with as I shared in the long-held kinship and solidarity ties between black South Africans and African Americans. From Charlotte Maxeke and WEB Du Bois; Pixley ka Isaka Seme and Alain Locke; Es’kia Mphahlele and Langston Hughes; Miriam Makeba and Sarah Vaughan; Hugh Masekela and Miles Davis; Lewis Nkosi and James Baldwin to Keorapetse Kgositsile and Gwendolyn Brooks; Bessie Head and Toni Morrison; and Ellen Kuzwayo and Audre Lorde, black South Africans and African Americans have always had a way of understanding each other and helping each other through it despite coming up in different homes. When I was a teen developing my political consciousness, Biko’s I Write What I Like I read alongside The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Matlwa’s Coconut alongside Angelous’s I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings, Dangarembga’s Nervous Conditions with Morrison’s The Bluest Eye.
Unlike many Africans Coming to America, I have been black for as long as I can remember. I was black long before I came here. I did not need America to know that I am black. For this reason I often feel I relate far more easily to African-Americans than I do to my African sisters. Indeed, I’ve long stopped reading a certain type of African immigrant essay. It usually begins with, or includes the assertion that, “the first time I knew I was black was when I arrived in [insert Western country]”. It’s a favorite essay topic for liberal publications interviewing non-American black people. This essay “genre” would be useful if it were an entry point into a deconstruction of the fallacy of race as biological fact, but all too often all this simply ends in an exposition of what will become life-long indignation that the author could possibly be degraded to the status of black and rarely leads them to develop a broader politics of racial solidarity.
What is perhaps most frustrating about these Africans writing of their sudden awakening to the fact of their blackness is that they rarely fail to reflect on the crucial fact that their racialization as black people did not occur in the moment of (varying degrees of) voluntary migration to the West in the last few decades but centuries ago when the first Africans were forcibly taken to the New World as enslaved people
Why I’m no longer talking to Nigerians about race.
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....without it you get people who are of the same race but don't care about the well being of others simply because they aren't of the same "tribe". This has been put to test within the USA many times
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the ADOS concept of "black" is the unifier that bypasses tribalism, phenotype biases and ethnic nationalism; the things that encapsulate the "black" concept is what separates it from "africaness"
The Devil's Advocate
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No that's what it means TO YOU!!! That's why I can't grasp WHY we are arguing. You have your definition and I have mine. You have your thoughts on foreign blacks and I have mine.
I'm not saying you're wrong. There's no facts here. You are interpreting the word "blackness" and making it about americans with mostly 50% or more african dna. So in your eyes, Megan Markle and Rashida Jones are "more black" and have had more struggle than Africans who came off the boat that look like Wesley Snipes. I happen to not see it that way. You're not going to textbook me into thinking your way. You're not going to get me to walk through NYC and try to figure out who's a black american with ados parents... vs who's a black american with an ados parent and a white parent from france.... vs who's a black american with two black parents but they both from jamaica... vs the hatian who was born here but got here at the age of 6... vs. obama who was raised by a white woman... vs Kap who was adopted by two white people... vs a black english boy... vs.....................................................
Like how in the fukk would you even know this information about a person prior to asking him??? Y'all walk around the city only giving head nods after you hear an accent? Do you treat a dude like an equal black until he tells you his pops is from jamaica? Then you call him foreign... Then he says he was born in cali... Now he's black to being black?? What in the entire fukk? The more y'all talk about this, the dumber it sounds. You could simply say we all black but ADOS had a different struggle.. Nah we gotta be special struggle nikkas, who include half white people who might look like Jessica Szohr, over Delroy Lindo (British) or Daniel Kaluuya.. As if most foreign blacks ain't still living in 3rd world countries, starving, with 150 times the racists ass white people, who actually have laws on books to allow it.
Nah fam... Y'all not gonna bring me over there. I see what you saying. I read the articles.. I get the IDEA.. This isn't about changing your idea or thought process.. I get that you want to make our struggle, ours only. I get that you don't want to include every black person into actual tangible benefits. I get that everybody ain't put the work in, so everyone doesn't get the rewards. I'm not disagreeing with ANY of that....
MY thought process is and will always be... "Oh there's black people... I'm gonna go fukk with them cause they black"... Period. I don't have to give them shyt but a humble attitude and meet them on the level. I tend to do that with all human beings, judge them on what THEY do and not their clan. But with black people, I'm going to go a step above and actually love you as family, and let you fukk it up.. But it won't be on my conscious that I was the black dikkhead who acted like I was different.
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And here's what I mean in a quick version
How you gonna tell me Jessie Williams is blacker than full black people... Cause he lived in America.. As if you automatically know his struggle as a light mixed man. You might know stories about mixed people's struggle.. But if you don't know his, then why the hell you just assume he had one AND it was different somehow than foreigners.........
When in the exact same mixed situation, Trevor Noah's mom in Africa, had to lie and pretend she was the nanny, because she would literally be thrown in jail for having a baby with a white person....... But I'm supposed to see him, hear he's not from here... and say "You know what.... This mixed baby in Beverly Hills is "blacker" than you... Then give some bullshyt speech why Rashida Jones had a hard knock life cause color.....
Come on brehs.....
How you gonna tell me Jessie Williams is blacker than full black people... Cause he lived in America.. As if you automatically know his struggle as a light mixed man. You might know stories about mixed people's struggle.. But if you don't know his, then why the hell you just assume he had one AND it was different somehow than foreigners.........
When in the exact same mixed situation, Trevor Noah's mom in Africa, had to lie and pretend she was the nanny, because she would literally be thrown in jail for having a baby with a white person....... But I'm supposed to see him, hear he's not from here... and say "You know what.... This mixed baby in Beverly Hills is "blacker" than you... Then give some bullshyt speech why Rashida Jones had a hard knock life cause color.....
Come on brehs.....
The Devil's Advocate
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I'm sure blackness was invented by the white slavers (seeing how we didn't even speak english) but go ahead and run with the "who gets to be blackest" baton
Captain Crunch
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@The Devil's Advocate
1. What's your ethnic background?
2. It's not that hard, people going by "black" was made hot by ADOS and our struggle.
3. Using the "well there's people in Africa going through it too" doesn't mean anything, because they don't go by "blackness". Africans go by tribe or nationality far more times than race.
4. You keep retrenching very light ppl and you also mentioned that ADOS are like 50% black. What's your definition of someone "more black"?
1. What's your ethnic background?
2. It's not that hard, people going by "black" was made hot by ADOS and our struggle.
3. Using the "well there's people in Africa going through it too" doesn't mean anything, because they don't go by "blackness". Africans go by tribe or nationality far more times than race.
4. You keep retrenching very light ppl and you also mentioned that ADOS are like 50% black. What's your definition of someone "more black"?
IllmaticDelta
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A struggle, doesn't define the ADOS experience or "blackness" because as we all know, the ADOS experience has always been multilayered/multifaceted
ADOS regardless of the amount of struggle, phenotypes and class will always be closer to each other, since there is a whole host of other things that make the ADOS or "black" experience regardless of class, totally different from any black immigrant
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The Devil's Advocate
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Do you see how you said all that and in the end you said "black immigrant"... so they black right? I'm not trying to dive too deep into it.. That's all I mean. I'm not breaking it down to he's Jamaican, he's mixed Jamaican, he's Jamaican but born here, he's Jamaican but been here since 5, he's Jamaican but been here since 10 so now he's not black but he's got african dna, but he has black skin, but not ADOS black...A struggle, doesn't define the ADOS experience or "blackness" because as we all know, the ADOS experience has always been multilayered/multifaceted
ADOS regardless of the amount of struggle, phenotypes and class will always be closer to each other, since there is a whole host of other things that make the ADOS or "black" experience regardless of class, totally different from any black immigrant
Who has time for that?
1. I'm black, with two black parents. Not a single person in my family, who didn't marry in, is another race or born in another country. I have mixed cousins, I have white in laws, I have African in laws, I have British black and white in laws.... I got it all. But ME... I'm ADOS black, born and raised.@The Devil's Advocate
1. What's your ethnic background?
2. It's not that hard, people going by "black" was made hot by ADOS and our struggle.
3. Using the "well there's people in Africa going through it too" doesn't mean anything, because they don't go by "blackness". Africans go by tribe or nationality far more times than race.
4. You keep retrenching very light ppl and you also mentioned that ADOS are like 50% black. What's your definition of someone "more black"?
2. No.. It was made hot by white slavers who group a bunch of different tribes and countrymen into ships, and named them all "******s", "negros" and "blacks" Seeing how we wasn't speaking their language, we learned FROM THEM, that's what we were, and naturally began calling ourselves that. And like "******", it seems that we are now trying to flip and bounce "black" to only mean American born ADOS and not the color of your skin like it's been since they got us. Black people I've read about in history, was calling themselves black and being called black in every country in this world.
3. It does mean something and they do go by blackness. Have you fukking been there? Yea they say their tribe or their nation, cause they know it unlike us.. That doesn't mean they don't call themselves black and link with other black brothers and consider them equals..
The disconnect I have, is y'all seeming to think you got the ownership of "black." You're going to determine who's black. Who isn't black. Who is blacker than the other black. You'll let other races be more black than other blacks. You'll treat a foreign black different than an american black. You'll think he's looking for a handout. You'll think he's hating on you. You think he's going to take from your white man payback.. I just can't get with it. Africanness, Blackness.... This ain't 1745 anymore man.. We haven't got the reparations we asking for and we already classifying blackness on which black people to exclude. Don't you worry. The white man will make sure he pays the least out to the least amount of anyway. You don't need to do the work for him. If a black man from LA or South Africa disrespects you, go in his jaw, or talk to him.. But I'm not going to start off PRE JUDGING another black man.
And I keep saying this... NOBODY IS BLACKER THAN THE OTHER. My mixed cousins aren't blacker than my black cousins born in England... Especially when the ones in London got 4 ADOS grandparents and 2 ADOS parents... Da fukk? They are the SAME BLACK to me. They'd actually both be getting reparations and the English ones would get more, based on their lineage, than the mixed ADOS ones, cause they got a white parent..
It's too damn much classification. Unless you don't move around, there's no way you going to come into contact with this many people around the world, and have such a narrow view of what's black.. Not even what's black. You guys really have a sliding scale of degrees of blackness and who can be... and on this scale you have half white people blacker than black black people...
NO
