The Sweet Life of Zach and Coby: We got AK's, The Official 2021 Chicago Bulls Off Season Thread

[Left.A1]

You cant keep praying for a top 3 pick....we were never gonna be shytty enough for that unless you trade Zach and just blow it up Look at a team like Minny, multiple #1 picks and they've been garbage for over 10 years...same went for Cleveland b4 Bron came back....look at the Kings

Thats not the draft positions fault that's the incompetent front offices fault ... unless you feel that this front office is also incompetent IDK what relevancy Minnesota drafting Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn over Steph Curry has to do with us ... Im almost positive I can name several teams that have been contenders due to their high picks vs those who aren't

Other teams have stars who were not even top 10 picks (Denver, Miami, Phoenix, Jazz, Milwaukee)so theres no need to tank...its not the only way

Denver's second best player is Jamal Murray who was a top ten pick same for Phx so that leaves Jazz/Mil/Miami as contending teams teams not lead by top ten talent ... you want to compare that to the contending teams that are? the best players are most consistently at the top of the draft ..that shouldn't be a controversial concept bruh

You can make incremental moves to get better until you can make a move to take you over the top. That's what Houston did before they got Harden. You go from 30 wins to 40 wins to 45 wins to 50+. NBA growth is a zero sum game. Our name has been mud for so damn ling.... moves like this make ppl want to come here. Continuously tanking and hoping your scratch off hits isnt a very sound strategy. At some point you have to show competency in order to set up major moves

This season I'm looking for .500, next year I want

This would make sense as a sound strategy if you just traded for a 21 year old not a 31 year old and in general i don't think competency exclusively means doing desperation trades ...the Warriors built their original dynasty off of competent lottery picks and then supplemented that talent thru free agency ...what exactly is the next step in this equation for the bulls?? 2021 free agency is rather dry ... and then you have to max Zach at 35-40 million a year .. then the next year you're looking to resign a then 33 year old Vuc and whatever young players we haven't traded or let walk ... so you're likely out of the free agency race at that point so now you're stuck continuously treadmilling and hoping your disgruntled star demanding a trade scratch off hits and that's what you call a "sound strategy"

 

[beenz]

Garpax Should've done this 2 summer ago

And we finally got that moslty white team GarPax always wanted

if vucci man don't work out, we could always trade him to the mavs

 

[Left.A1]

@The G.O.D II I see you doggggggggiiieeee

 

[Left.A1]

You nikkas crack me up with these hollow truism's to try to bolster your ingrained acceptance of mediocrity...

30 minutes later...

why are u over the picks anyways.

in a trade, the team who gets the best player won the trade. in this case, the bulls won.

Literal Clockwork.

 

[Stone Cold]

After the smoke cleared

Spoiler

 

[Brozay]

After the smoke cleared

Spoiler

 

[Left.A1]

The talent is comparable from the last few years, they couldn't over come having the worst coach in the NBA and injuries. This year with a competent coach and a very similar roster makes the case that it wasn't all due to a lack of talent.

They are currently the 10th worst team in the entire NBA my nikka ...last year it was 7th

 

[Nero Christ]

at a certain point we gotta start building to something...giving up on another year isn't ideal especially when we're not bad enough to guarantee a top 3 pick. It was time to show the league (especially) players we're serious about competing and making the playoffs. Who knows how picks will turn out, so you start making plays for proven talent. These moves today were to get us hopefully making deep runs in the playoffs in the next 3-5 years, not finally seeing a team with promise in that amount of time.

 

[True Blue Moon]

The more research and highlights of Troy Brown Jr. I check out, the more he seems like a very solid young player to develop off the bench

 

[cornercommission2k12]

This is literal rambling word salad brutha lol ... "proven commodities trump draft gambles" nikka where the fukk you think "proven commodities" originate?? do you think they just manifest out of thin air like a tornado


You nikkas crack me up with these hollow truism's to try to bolster your ingrained acceptance of mediocrity... like nikka I ALREADY said I get it .. I get people like you who like being middle of the pack being ho-hum and running on a treadmill... you don't gotta convince me with these desperation pleas of "what else is we gones doooooo mannnn!!! we had to give up the picks!!!" it's the only way!!

As if we haven't seen several teams build their championship contenders through the draft (particularly high in the draft) and the only way to the top is to linger in the middle year after year after year ... its like y'all don't remember why the fukk we traded Jimmy away in the first place

Like I said tho ... you nikkas should be happy and not worried about me because clearly the front office agrees with your logic of middling their way to the top ... some people are ok at the idea of maxing out at mediocre.. its all good .. I get it family ...

I remember exactly why they traded jimmy


Which is why I want to try a different path!!! Your posting like this is some new Innovative course, oh be horrible tank get top picks etc you make no sense what we were witnessing was the failure to that approach and instead of saying ok maybe let's do it another way you want to insult the board but demand we do the same dam thing that we failed at the 1st time?!?!?

And you post as If we are not currently watching teams title contending without building through the draft. It can happen both ways. Your the one being irrational as if it's only 1 way. We tried the way you want,, it didn't work. Time to try another way.

 

[Nero Christ]

right...the Nets & both LA teams got built up through free agency & possible tampering only Philly & maybe the Bucks can say they built a chip contender through the draft

 

[cornercommission2k12]

right...the Nets & both LA teams got built up through free agency & possible tampering only Philly & maybe the Bucks can say they built a chip contender through the draft

Thing is I'm not even saying tanking or getting high picks can't work, I'm saying it just haven't. We didn't strike gold like the bucks did with giannis or the jazz with Mitchell. We landed in horrible spots and always missed out on the elite of the draft. I'm sitting here hoping Patrick Williams takes a huge leap because edwards and lamelo looks like future all stars. We keep missing out.

Or do we want to play hindsight and keep condemning garpax for playing Sean kildraftpick? Or not winning a coin toss or niko going crazy for a few weeks etc whatever we want to blame but all of those situations only speak more to why tanking has no guarantee. Because Sean kildraftpick can come in and kill your position. Then teams with better records than yours can get 1st and 2nd picks etc.

I think we have to crawl before we walk and if we now going the route to keep flipping until we get that contender I'm down for that. Whatever route has to be better than trying to suck until we win the lottery adding the next Wendell Carter jr.

 

[True Blue Moon]

Thing is I'm not even saying tanking or getting high picks can't work, I'm saying it just haven't. We didn't strike gold like the bucks did with giannis or the jazz with Mitchell. We landed in horrible spots and always missed out on the elite of the draft. I'm sitting here hoping Patrick Williams takes a huge leap because edwards and lamelo looks like future all stars. We keep missing out.

Or do we want to play hindsight and keep condemning garpax for playing Sean kildraftpick? Or not winning a coin toss or niko going crazy for a few weeks etc whatever we want to blame but all of those situations only speak more to why tanking has no guarantee. Because Sean kildraftpick can come in and kill your position. Then teams with better records than yours can get 1st and 2nd picks etc.

I think we have to crawl before we walk and if we now going the route to keep flipping until we get that contender I'm down for that. Whatever route has to be better than trying to suck until we win the lottery adding the next Wendell Carter jr.

And nothing is stopping a team from still drafting well and developing their guys. Honestly, solid player development has been a missing key in all of this. Not saying GarPax had stellar drafts, but who is to say that all the draft picks we missed on wouldn't have turned out better if they weren't mishandled? I could see if we're out here making trades and spending money just for the sake of making them, but starting a run with two all-stars and a rookie you believe in is a hell of a lot better situation than we've had.

There's always a measure of risk, but at the end of the day, you have to believe in your decisions and the staff you've put in place to execute. These are professionals that are trying to win every night. You can't be lukewarm and complacent about how you go about your business while hoping for destiny-changing pieces to fall your way in the lottery.

 

[Left.A1]

I remember exactly why they traded jimmy


Which is why I want to try a different path!!! Your posting like this is some new Innovative course, oh be horrible tank get top picks etc you make no sense what we were witnessing was the failure to that approach and instead of saying ok maybe let's do it another way you want to insult the board but demand we do the same dam thing that we failed at the 1st time?!?!?

And you post as If we are not currently watching teams title contending without building through the draft. It can happen both ways. Your the one being irrational as if it's only 1 way. We tried the way you want,, it didn't work. Time to try another way.

WTF you talking about "my way" nikka drafting Lousy ass WCJ over SGA wasn't "my way" nikka Hiring a dumb ass idiot like Boylen wasn't "my way" ... that was the GarPax way which is why those two imbeciles were replaced ... this is the problem with you nikkas not being able to comprehend shyt beyond 2+2=4 ...GarPax were ineffective not because of a particular strategy but because of their incompetence which is why I see you forgot about why GarPax chose to rebuild in the first place and who's "way" lead them to that decision but like I said you nikkas long for the return of desperate treadmillville moves like the "3 alphas" era because "winning attracts winning players to come here" of course

 

[Left.A1]

right...the Nets & both LA teams got built up through free agency & possible tampering only Philly & maybe the Bucks can say they built a chip contender through the draft

Warriors whole franchise and first ring was built thru the draft WTF are you talking about ... The Lakers would have never got AD without those high drafted players .. same can be said for PG on the clippers again WTF do you nikkas be talking about... and even then they had to get lucky and bank on the hope that a disgruntled star wanted to get traded to their teams at the exact time they had the resources to pull a deal ... yet y'all will sit up here and pretend that building thru the draft is less sound strategy than that bullshyt