The Sopranos Series - Re-Watch (Spoilers!!!)

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Meadow was a stone cold bytch. She didn't flinch one inch when Finn tells her about Vito or the other guy getting smashed in the face with the glass bottle. Finn was legit scared for his life, and all she does is cry because he grabbed his suite case. She even kept him awake until almost 5am crying over herself and not once consoling him or doing anything to calm him. She has normalized violence and murder in her mind. Even if guys are killers, she'll find some way to rationalize it and say they're so nice and what not. I'm convinced she either married into the mob, or has some heavy connections via money lending. If Tony survived the restaurant, she would have become like the female boss in Italy. Basically Tony would be the head, but she'd really run shyt.
 

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Meadow was a stone cold bytch. She didn't flinch one inch when Finn tells her about Vito or the other guy getting smashed in the face with the glass bottle. Finn was legit scared for his life, and all she does is cry because he grabbed his suite case. She even kept him awake until almost 5am crying over herself and not once consoling him or doing anything to calm him. She has normalized violence and murder in her mind. Even if guys are killers, she'll find some way to rationalize it and say they're so nice and what not. I'm convinced she either married into the mob, or has some heavy connections via money lending. If Tony survived the restaurant, she would have become like the female boss in Italy. Basically Tony would be the head, but she'd really run shyt.
I believe her last boyfriend was a lawyer and she was about to join the firm. She might be like a mob lawyer in the future. She wslas definitely sympathetic to the cause.
 

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That's a good insight, I would say though that we are all products of what we saw and experienced as kids, and violence, exploitation, and a certain "toughness" that comes with being in organized crime, but Meadow was never without empathy, but also she inherited parts of her Dad's resilience, but also his compartmentalizing, and selfishness.

Also, to cope with Jackie death, she internalized those mafia myths about "only bad people get killed", similar to how people victim blame when rappers get murdered, or "only criminals are, partly as a coping mechanism, she knew better.

I saw death and violence as a kid, and without pathologizing everything to death, 100% I have a certain stoic reaction to that kind of thing, but doesn't mean I have no empathy or capacity for empathy.
 

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That's a good insight, I would say though that we are all products of what we saw and experienced as kids, and violence, exploitation, and a certain "toughness" that comes with being in organized crime, but Meadow was never without empathy, but also she inherited parts of her Dad's resilience, but also his compartmentalizing, and selfishness.

Also, to cope with Jackie death, she internalized those mafia myths about "only bad people get killed", similar to how people victim blame when rappers get murdered, or "only criminals are, partly as a coping mechanism, she knew better.

I saw death and violence as a kid, and without pathologizing everything to death, 100% I have a certain stoic reaction to that kind of thing, but doesn't mean I have no empathy or capacity for empathy.
I feel that, but watching that scene with Finn made it seem like Meadow does everything for show like Carmella. She didn't even care that Finn was being sexually harassed by Vito. She demanded he go meet him at the Yankee game. She was spoiled and becoming more and more apathetic as the show went on. AJ wasn't built for that life.
 

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I feel that, but watching that scene with Finn made it seem like Meadow does everything for show like Carmella. She didn't even care that Finn was being sexually harassed by Vito. She demanded he go meet him at the Yankee game. She was spoiled and becoming more and more apathetic as the show went on. AJ wasn't built for that life.


She's also like 20 years old or so, I wouldn't want to be judged so harshly on some of my more unflattering actions in my teens or early 20's. All fair points though, it's a great scene, I never had a relationship like that, but I understand how it can get there. When I first watched in like 2007, I had no real experience with that kind of couple argument.

They are all flawed people, but that's kind of the way I see life, everyone is usually a mixed bag of good and bad. Tony isn't an outright sociopath anymore than Carmela is an outright opportunist.

oh, also she kind of can't fundamentally/chooses not to (more accurate) grasp that Vito is gay, and therefore capable of sexually harassing Finn, because that would kind of break her view of her family and their traditional values, right?

if she admits Vito is gay, and sexually harassing him, not only does that damn her father and his business, but their very way of life, Italian, and, very, very Catholic. "Vito Spatafore is a married man" (which of course is an absurd defense) I think that is the heart of it all right there.
 

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She's also like 20 years old or so, I wouldn't want to be judged so harshly on some of my more unflattering actions in my teens or early 20's. All fair points though, it's a great scene, I never had a relationship like that, but I understand how it can get there. When I first watched in like 2007, I had no real experience with that kind of couple argument.

They are all flawed people, but that's kind of the way I see life, everyone is usually a mixed bag of good and bad. Tony isn't an outright sociopath anymore than Carmela is an outright opportunist.

oh, also she kind of can't fundamentally/chooses not to (more accurate) grasp that Vito is gay, and therefore capable of sexually harassing Finn, because that would kind of break her view of her family and their traditional values, right?

if she admits Vito is gay, and sexually harassing him, not only does that damn her father and his business, but their very way of life, Italian, and, very, very Catholic. "Vito Spatafore is a married man" (which of course is an absurd defense) I think that is the heart of it all right there.
She also glossed over the bottle to the face though. "He's a sweetheart"... I'm almost done season 5. Gonna watch season 6. If Tony doesn't die, he absolutely would have flipped as well. He didn't give a shyt about anyone. Motherfukker buys his wife a Hermes scarve, the same type his burned gomah wears, the day he breaks up with her in the hospital. Just a group of apathetic a$$holes. The whole family.
 

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Catch Me You Can is Speilberg's last great movie to me.

I remember seeing it in theaters, maybe twice in November 2002, and I just rewatched last weekend, it's not as good as I thought as a kid, but it's very strong in a lot of ways. Great performances and direction.

I’m at the part where he just got busted for subbing for his french class…I’m in :mjlol:
 

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oh shyt…the way he flipped the script on tom hanks…this guy is fukking good! :mjlol:
 
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