At best there was like 1 or two battalions that had the nazi insignia as their battalion. Logo...and didn't they all get captured or killed in Mairuopl? The Azov battalion.
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The Russia - Ukraine Conflict
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Zelensky is off to Hollywood when this ends. He's gonna cash in his chips like all these centrist PMC darlings.
I just said how. Ukraine is begging now for weapons , so if Putin can cripple the source of weapons to Ukraine - it will help tremendously
You saw he can hit targets with precision , Nukes is not his only play
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fair point - i don't think he can cripple the US though, so left it out. I think he'd be happy with just the EU
Much Azov about nothing: How the ‘Ukrainian neo-Nazis’ canard fooled the world
Multiple expert assessments made in 2022 conclude the modern Azov Regiment is a fairly typical fighting unit, with little, if any, political bent.
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The Neo-Nazi capital of Europe? Do you TLR brehs get paid more for narratives that are extra inaccurate?The reality is this generation has been infantalized so much that people treat every news story like it's Star Wars. Like there's a good side and a bad side.
They see Ukraine as the innocent underdog when the fact is it's the neo Nazi capital of Europe and they're being backed heavily in the west and being used as a pawn in a proxy war against Russia.
They were close to coming to terms with Russia some months back but their Western backers hit them with the
The West doesn't give a fukk about the dead Ukrainians or their country being destroyed and is freely sending weapons to a country with some very dangerous militias and fringe groups. We seen how that ended in Iraq.
Now of course that doesn't excuse Russia's actions. Putin is a piece of shyt and for the good of Russia and the world he should be merked.
The whole situation is a shyt show but the media portraying it like it's a battle between good and evil but the last war that could really be described that way, maybe the only war, was WWII.
The Neo-nazi capital of Europe where the far right parties COMBINED couldn't even scrap together more than 2.15% of the vote in the 2019 parliamentary election and weren't even able to get a seat in parliament? 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election - Wikipedia why? because of a single battalion?
You've got countries in Europe like Italy or Hungary who have literally elected far-right fascist rooted governments but Ukraine where they cant even reach the 5% threshold for a seat and where Zelenksyy 's(you know the Jew with family ties to victims of the holocaust) leading party is liberal is supposedly a neo-nazi capital.
I love how you contrarians always pose this war as simply a battle between the West and Russia listen to you brehs tell it you would think that the soldiers fighting are NATO troops disguised as Ukrainians. You cant fight a proxy war unless you have proxies WILLING and able to fight. Ukrainians don't want to be a part of Russia and are fighting for their freedom, they are the ones begging for troops, money and equipment, in defence of their land they're not being forced to fight by the West. The main reason why they've received so much WEstern support is because they've shown strong and most importantly successful resistance at least in the early stages, no ones going to pour billions for a "proxy war" unless they believe it has a prospect of success. THe US and other WEstern countries hadn't initially planned to provide this level of support, initially the US had planned to send weapons to aid a counter-insurgency as they as well as everyone else thought that Ukraine was going to capitulate within days overestimating the Russian forces, but they didn't, and the US have seen their opportunity and so here we are.
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I wanted to post Goodmans interview with Joe Lauria which details the US training of Ukrainian troops for the past 7 years relating to the @Benjamin Sisko comments but this is more relevant to the thread. I was wrong to be flippant about the outcome of this war, negotiated peace is the best way forward because it opens the door for other nations to solve the issue of US political interference. In this interview Vijay Prashad also draws parallels between Ukraine and the Core Group in Haiti which was eye opening and very personal to me.
Chomsky: In this case, the United States is not directly involved. It’s not bombing, hasn’t sent troops. It’s more indirect. So I don’t think it’s very surprising, in comparison with the others, that you don’t see much of a peace movement developing. You should. It’s there. But it’s vilified, of course. Anyone who opens their mouths and says, “Look, let’s try to end this horror” — the way most of the world wants, almost all the world — gets denounced, vilified, a “Putin supporter” and “commie rat,” and so on and so forth. And it’s even true for highly respected major war criminals, like Henry Kissinger. He tries to say it, immediately demonized. So, yes, it’s there, but it’s marginalized.
And the issue, I don’t think, is sending defensive weapons to Ukraine. I think that you can make a good case for that. The problem is what is not discussed: the continual — first of all, the long — program of the United States, for over a decade, to integrate Ukraine within the U.S.-NATO military system. That actually reached a point where U.S. military journals referred to Ukraine as a de facto member of NATO — obviously, the Russians could see it; everybody could see it who wanted to — policy which is now being pursued with regard to Taiwan. And then extending to the point where it is right now: War must continue until Russia is severely weakened. The implication? No negotiations. Events of last April are a case in point.
Well, there should be — there’s no — there are parts of the peace movement that are pursuing that, but they’re simply demonized. They don’t make it into the mainstream. Even parts of what’s called the left condemn them sharply. Of course, you have to — you can’t put any conditions on unconditional support for Ukraine.
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Chomsky: In this case, the United States is not directly involved. It’s not bombing, hasn’t sent troops. It’s more indirect. So I don’t think it’s very surprising, in comparison with the others, that you don’t see much of a peace movement developing. You should. It’s there. But it’s vilified, of course. Anyone who opens their mouths and says, “Look, let’s try to end this horror” — the way most of the world wants, almost all the world — gets denounced, vilified, a “Putin supporter” and “commie rat,” and so on and so forth. And it’s even true for highly respected major war criminals, like Henry Kissinger. He tries to say it, immediately demonized. So, yes, it’s there, but it’s marginalized.
And the issue, I don’t think, is sending defensive weapons to Ukraine. I think that you can make a good case for that. The problem is what is not discussed: the continual — first of all, the long — program of the United States, for over a decade, to integrate Ukraine within the U.S.-NATO military system. That actually reached a point where U.S. military journals referred to Ukraine as a de facto member of NATO — obviously, the Russians could see it; everybody could see it who wanted to — policy which is now being pursued with regard to Taiwan. And then extending to the point where it is right now: War must continue until Russia is severely weakened. The implication? No negotiations. Events of last April are a case in point.
Well, there should be — there’s no — there are parts of the peace movement that are pursuing that, but they’re simply demonized. They don’t make it into the mainstream. Even parts of what’s called the left condemn them sharply. Of course, you have to — you can’t put any conditions on unconditional support for Ukraine.
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Man these Wagner Neo-Nazis are getting fukking destroyed in Bakhmut. These fukking videos on twitter man. 
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This nikka said Russia has the most advanced jets in the world
. That's not even a lie Putin would say to brainwash his own people. You little pink bytch, Russia ain't even top 5 in the air, you p*ssy ass pink pastel faced fakkit. Id line nikkas like you up and play target practice. bytch ass nikka. Go call your Russian Mafia buddies and tell them I love off of 12 mile and Hoover, I'd AR their whole caravan. Id love to up my body count on garbage ass brainwashed pink fukk boys like your people. fukkin faggit
Russia Now Has a Second Frontline Set Up Just to Kill Its Deserters: Intel
Allison Quinn
Thu, October 27, 2022 at 8:34 AM·4 min read
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Russian’s Vladimir Putin sparked the wrath of his own people by drafting hundreds of thousands to join the war against Ukraine, and now it seems some of those men were sent not to fight the so-called “enemy” but to “snuff out” any of the Russian troops who dare to retreat.
Ukrainian intelligence on Thursday released an audio recording that appears to capture in disturbing detail the mayhem and internal rifts between Russian troops on the battlefield. In the five-minute clip, described as an intercepted phone conversation between a Russian soldier and his wife, the man says he and the other men in his unit are a comfortable distance from the actual fighting.
“They moved us back to the second line, there’s shooting somewhere ahead of us, but we’re back here for now in the trenches,” he says, before boasting that he’d been lucky and found a “Rosneft jacket covered in blood, but warm.”
“They brought the inmates here... from prison. But they led them somewhere way up front. And we’re sitting here as a retreat-blocking detachment, fukk. If someone runs back, we snuff them out.”
“What a nightmare,” his wife says.
“That’s how we have it set up. We sit on the second line, guarding the first. Behind us, there’s another line. If you go that way, you also won’t make it. So it’s impossible to run away. They shoot their own.”
“If someone goes [that way], you need to wipe him out,” he said.
While both the purported soldier and his wife suggested they’d tried to complain about conditions with appeals to an unspecified “committee,” the man seemed convinced any kind of outcry would be futile, noting that Russian defense officials had cleverly listed him and other men in his unit as being “in training” and not on the battlefield.
Now Putin’s Sending Prison Rape Victims to Die on the Front Line
It was not clear where exactly the soldier was based. But there have been myriad reports of Russian commanders threatening to execute any of their own men who try to ditch the war. A Moscow resident who was called up under Putin’s draft last month said Colonel General Alexander Lapin had personally pulled out a pistol and held it to the head of a commander overseeing drafted troops who’d retreated in Luhansk, threatening to shoot if the unit did not return to the frontline, Sota reported Wednesday.
And amid a humiliating retreat from northern Kharkiv last month, a volunteer fighting for Ukraine in the region who spoke to The Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity said his fellow volunteers and Ukrainian troops had found several dead Russian commanders with gunshot wounds to the back of their heads after top Russian military brass gave an order to gun down any fleeing troops.
While Russia has bolstered forces with thousands of newly drafted soldiers and prison inmates recruited by the Wagner Group, it would seem those reinforcements have only added to the dysfunction among the ranks.
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported earlier this month that Russian inmates freed from prison to fight regularly “leave their units and try to return to Russian territory” after receiving their weapons. While the inmates are enticed by promises of a pardon, Putin crony Yevgeny Prighozin, the man behind the Wagner Group's prisoner-recruitment scheme, is said to have privately told the Russian president that “for the majority of inmates joining Wagner, it’s not a reprieve but a death sentence,” according to Yellow Folder, a Telegram channel ostensibly run by former members of Russia’s Federal Protective Services.
The Crazy Mystical Impulses Sending Putin Wild in Ukraine
And in occupied Donetsk, Putin’s troops appear to be hard at work battling each other. A man identified by Ukrainian intelligence as a Russian soldier was caught calling his mother to tell her how another soldier sent with “reinforcements” was tied up and held for ransom by fighters for the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic.
“He went into the city, basically, for moonshine… The commandants bashed him over the head and locked him in a basement. They sent photos [of him] to his... mother-in-law and wife. Tied him up basically and demanded money, as if he were a captive.”
“Good God! They thought he was Ukrainian, right?” his mother asked.
“They didn’t think anything,” he said, adding: “It’s fun here with us.”