The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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Just come out and say what you want to say :mjpls:
I'm trying to lay out a concise visual of your assessment of what's going on.... asking for specifics and dissecting the logic...

Are you starting to see something you don't like when I repeat back your own words?

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I'm trying to lay out a concise visual of your assessment of what's going on.... asking for specifics and dissecting the logic...

Are you starting to see something you don't like when I repeat back your own words?

:mjpls:

You posted a whole lot of nothing. Passive aggressive bs. Just admit that you don't see a problem with the neo Nazi element in Ukraine. The media agrees with you.
 

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The reality is this generation has been infantalized so much that people treat every news story like it's Star Wars. Like there's a good side and a bad side.

They see Ukraine as the innocent underdog when the fact is it's the neo Nazi capital of Europe and they're being backed heavily in the west and being used as a pawn in a proxy war against Russia.

They were close to coming to terms with Russia some months back but their Western backers hit them with the :camby::ufdup:

The West doesn't give a fukk about the dead Ukrainians or their country being destroyed and is freely sending weapons to a country with some very dangerous militias and fringe groups. We seen how that ended in Iraq.

Now of course that doesn't excuse Russia's actions. Putin is a piece of shyt and for the good of Russia and the world he should be merked.

The whole situation is a shyt show but the media portraying it like it's a battle between good and evil but the last war that could really be described that way, maybe the only war, was WWII.

The media serves it up that way because it is easily digestable. 98% of the U.S. population couldn't find Ukraine or Russia on a map let alone have an appreciation for the history that has led up to this. Ask a rando what Snake Island is and you might get Cobra Command HQ as an answer. The U.S. and it's allies have put too much time, effort, equipment and planning to let their media talk out of both sides of their mouths. But..... somehow Tucker gets to put on his KKK Komentary five nights a week fully supporting Putin with his whole chest.

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Pick your poison.

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What do you think happens in a country after a war ends? Do you think everything just resumes as normal?

No, it creates further instability, economic and social problems and power grabs that history has taught us doesn't typically end well.

Civil wars happen. And it's a country with a lot of weapons and dangerous political and militia groups. It is a recipe for disaster.

Letting Puting run amuck as he has been doing is much worse than the imaginary civil war you are trying to project into people's heads. There are too many eyes on Ukraine for that kind of fukkery to take place after Russia is defeated. Ukraine desperately wants to get into the EU and NATO. No UKR factiton is going to risk that unless they are pro Russia.

It's really that simple.

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the only thing that will save PUtin's Russia is winter and gas prices - that's what he's betting on. If he can crush Europe financially and reduce support, the spring will be quite deadly for Ukraine.
How?

The training and logistics and will to fight is greater in Ukraine..Russia can't compete militarily..

Only play they have is Nukes .
 

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Number of soldiers doesn't mean much when they arent organized and morale is low which seems to be the case of the Russians. They aren't only being outgunned, they are also being out strategized.

The big difference from what I've read and seen, the Ukrainians since 2014 switched their military tactics and strategy from the old Soviet top down model to the the American segmented model and it's paying dividends. The Russian military is too hierarchial and top heavy. All commands come from the top which results in a disconnect between the individuals constructing strategy and actual outcomes on the battlefield. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians are following an American model where individual units have their own operational hierarchy and it's puts decisions and also skin the game closer to the individuals actually on the ground. When you're a platoon leader for example, not only is your neck on the line but you also feel more camaraderie with your fellow soldiers which will lead to more of a desire to protect each other and increases morale. Meanwhile, bureaucrats who aren't really tied to the results on the ground lead the Russian army.

It will only get worse as institutional knowledge in the Russian army is wiped out as the Ukrainians are killing Russian generals left and right.
Might be the biggest Russian military blunder since Tsar Nicholas fired his General and took personal control of the army in WW1
 

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How?

The training and logistics and will to fight is greater in Ukraine..Russia can't compete militarily..

Only play they have is Nukes .

These dudes are delusional. Russia has already sent in its best troops, and they have been getting rolled. Now they are sending in randoms off the street.
 

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Because neo Nazi gangs are gonna be tooled the fukk up with US equipment

And a post war Ukraine gonna be messy as fukk politically so plenty of opportunities for the far right and Nazi parties to take advantage.

Zelensky is a centrist and will be a post-war hero, and his party will be seen as the number 1 party in Ukraine for years to come. I wouldn't worry too much about it the far-right legit taking over in Ukraine, particularly as they are anti-EU, and Ukraine will badly need the EU's money post-war.
 

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Id be interested in a meta analysis of how morons like this or @Benjamin Sisko end up so amorously involved with Putin and Russian foreign policy (pause)

Sure I understand some of them may be "bots" and the rest are heavily influenced by propagandists on social media

But how are they so susceptible to this influence?

Russian policy is ideologically bankrupt so its quite confusing when people dikk ride it

At least Trump did the funny nicknames... Putin is getting exposed as exactly the hypocritical, pump faking capper that most Americans hate.
Russia is the last white supremacist state..the last great white hope.

Place where African students get jumped and lynched and the attackers don't stand trial...place where their leader rides on grizzly bears with no saddle
 
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