The Russia - Ukraine Conflict
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The Fade
I don’t argue with niqqas on the Internet anymore
the optics on this is fukked as well.. they have these Azov dudes with nazi shyt on them looking heroic. Their PR is like modern day Rhodesia shyt. If they win its gonna be good PR for Neo-Nazism. It's fukk Russia and Wagner Group too tho
Never said they did. Russia however DOES support these groups, both in Europe and the US. The leader of the Neo Nazi group The Base lives in Russia unmolested.
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For decades, Washington and allied governments have pursued their strategic and economic interests under the cover of promoting democracy and liberal values abroad. Sometimes that’s meant funneling money to violent reactionaries like the Nicaraguan contras, and sometimes it’s meant supporting benign pro-democracy movements like those in Ukraine.
“External actors have always played an important role in shaping and supporting civil society in Ukraine,” Ukrainian scholar Iryna Solonenko wrote in 2015, pointing to the EU and the United States, through agencies like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and US Agency for International Development (USAID), whose Kyiv headquarters were in the same compound as the US embassy. “One can argue that without this external support, which has been the major source of funding for Ukrainian civil society since independence, Ukrainian civil society would not have become what it now is.”
This was the case in the 2004–5 Orange Revolution, where foreign NGOs changed little about Ukraine’s corruption and authoritarianism, but achieved the crucial goal of nudging Ukraine’s foreign policy westward. As the liberal Center for American Progress put it that year:
"Did Americans meddle in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Yes. The American agents of influence would prefer different language to describe their activities — democratic assistance, democracy promotion, civil society support, etc. — but their work, however labeled, seeks to influence political change in Ukraine."
A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.
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Liberals are looking for a photocopy of a check from the D.O.D to "The Ukrainian Nazi Party" it's not that simple.
Because neo Nazi gangs are gonna be tooled the fukk up with US equipment
And a post war Ukraine gonna be messy as fukk politically so plenty of opportunities for the far right and Nazi parties to take advantage.
Then don't ask why (black) people care. You are who you're complaining about.
What I'm saying isn't difficult to understand.
Fred.
but you're specifically talking about ukrainians going into other countries?
or just ukrainians pushing violence within ukraine?
Violence is most likely gonna happen internally maybe even full on civil war. But if the wrong government get's in then who knows how bad it can get.
ok, so you're saying the current government in ukraine is not aligned with the nazis?
No I wouldn't say that considering the heavy presence of Nazis in their armed forces.
then why would the nazis fight against the government?
What do you think happens in a country after a war ends? Do you think everything just resumes as normal?
No, it creates further instability, economic and social problems and power grabs that history has taught us doesn't typically end well.
Civil wars happen. And it's a country with a lot of weapons and dangerous political and militia groups. It is a recipe for disaster.
so there are groups that would fight the nazis?
