The Russia - Ukraine Conflict
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This is a lie. The same lie you've told repeatedly. The Nazis did not win a single seat in Ukraine's government. You're literally repeating right-wing propaganda.
Except RUSSIA LITERALLY SPONSOR NAZIS IN AMERICA.
The Base (hate group) - Wikipedia
Confronting Russia’s Role in Transnational White Supremacist Extremism
Neo-Nazi Rinaldo Nazzaro running US militant group The Base from Russia
In Historic First, U.S. Labels Russian White Supremacists a Terrorist Group
Yet you're literally supporting the government that sponsors Nazis against the government that's anti-nazi.
First I've heard of them.This is a lie. The same lie you've told repeatedly. The Nazis did not win a single seat in Ukraine's government. You're literally repeating right-wing propaganda.
Except RUSSIA LITERALLY SPONSOR NAZIS IN AMERICA.
The Base (hate group) - Wikipedia
Confronting Russia’s Role in Transnational White Supremacist Extremism
Neo-Nazi Rinaldo Nazzaro running US militant group The Base from Russia
In Historic First, U.S. Labels Russian White Supremacists a Terrorist Group
Yet you're literally supporting the government that sponsors Nazis against the government that's anti-nazi.
Russias economy is crushed. They meddled in our elections and support American Nazis. Sounds like retribution to me.
Now what's Joe Biden gonna do to uproot this trans Atlantic threat? Have they killed 13000 people like the Ukrainians?
Well since that's all wrapped I'll continue watching the supremecist on supremecist violence in the Ukraine brother. Thank you for bringing this insidious threat to my attention. The more you know.
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Cause you're fukking ignorant, I posted the same group in response to you days ago.
You NEVER would have heard of "Ukrainian nazis" either if not for pro-Russian disinformation campaigns that happen to thrive in the exact same world as the other right-wing shyt you inject.
US government response is literally in the links.
It's a complete black box. For a good 15-20 years no one has had any idea what will happen after Putin.
Thread is 90% people posting false shyt they saw on social media and other people responding to that false shyt.
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People are generally not fans of war, and especially are not fans of a World War 3 occurring -- which it could easily escalate to. Even moreso with nukes. On top of that, if Ukraine falls, there's not much stopping Putin from continuing on. Most people aren't trying to have the idea of a world war on their minds while there's still a global pandemic going on.
My dude I can't think of one war were soliders refusing to fight actually ended a war.
Listen I was a solider, I'm not a fan of US foriegn policy and I heldf no animosity to the Afghan People or the Iraqi people. Even if I refused to fight I know it wouldn't make a difference because they saw a Uniform not a person. None of those half hearted appeals to Black Soliders during Jim Crow moved the needle because once you surrender or defect you have no idea how you're gonna be treated.
The Ukraine says they their civilian infrastructure is being bombed (they emphasize this two two reasons one for sympethy and the other to not talk about how badly their military has been degraded where's their tanks?). So how are they supposed to house and feed defecting Russian troops over the coming weeks or months?
I assume at some point they're gonna start OOFíng the captured Russikies or at least using them as human shields and we know historically that doesn't deter Russia.
Usually OOFíng a leader leads to worse more hardline people taking over. We whacked several Terror leaders it didn't stop terrorism.
When the war started I realized I didn't have a full grasp on the history of the Ukraine. I gained my own understanding from non bias sourcesCause you're fukking ignorant, I posted the same group in response to you days ago.
You NEVER would have heard of "Ukrainian nazis" either if not for pro-Russian disinformation campaigns that happen to thrive in the exact same world as the other right-wing shyt you inject.
US government response is literally in the links.
and made my own conclusions. Facts are not disinformation
Regarding your links.
I hadn't gotten to them all.
. There wasn't a rush to digest new information regarding a hypothetical question that has nothing to do with Russia vs Ukraine. I try not to be distracted by reaching what about isms but I wasn't ignoring your attempt to distract me and waste my time with but what about Russias Nazis.What was I supposed to say?
O shyt Russia has Nazis 2? Damn I guess I should root for Ukraines Nazis. I don't see your point
Federal reserves of the national bank were frozen
sanctions caused people to lose faith in the rubble and “sell” it. Russia plan was to use their vast foreign reserves of USD to buy back the rubble and fight devaluation. However half of these reserves are locked because the bills are not actually in Russia, but the US and it’s allies.
however don’t count out Russia. Putin still has a few tricks up his sleeve.
he can trade in Rubles with India and China
He can also collect on his loans to Venezuela
Breh that's literally how the Afghan War finally ended just 8 months ago - with the entire Afghan military giving up and refusing to fight.
If you want to go to a huge engagement, that's also how World War 1 ended. First the Russians began abandoning the front lines by the hundreds of thousands, forcing Russia to pull out of the war and eventually leading to the entire Russian Empire's downfall. Then the Germans refused to fight, forcing their government to try to seek peace and leading to their downfall as well.
Between Acceptance and Refusal - Soldiers' Attitudes Towards War (Russian Empire)
Kiel mutiny - Wikipedia
Another example is the downfall of the Italians in World War 2. This is often painted as some sort of cowardice or poor leadership or lack of supplies, but the reality is that thousands of young Italians forced to fight really didn't give a shyt about Mussolini and especially Hitler and didn't want to die for their stupid war. Engagements like Operation Compass where 130,000 Italian troops quickly surrendered to 30,000 British troops are portrayed as masterclasses in strategy by war gurus who don't want to accept that in reality sometimes soldiers just don't want to fight for that bullshyt.
https://en.topwar.ru/178180-operacija-kompas-katastrofa-italjanskoj-armii-v-severnoj-afrike.html
Going way back another example is how New Amsterdam became New York cause the Dutch governor was an a$$hole and no one wanted to fight for him, so when the British attacked they just refused to fight and surrendered to the British instead.
New Amsterdam surrendered to the English | History Today
Another example that same century is the Glorious Revolution, where William III of the Dutch Republic marched into England and the Royal Army immediately switched sides because they didn't want to fight for King James II
Glorious Revolution - Wikipedia
Going further back in history, Emperor Yang's dynasty ended because his soldiers got sick of fighting battles they felt were useless and didn't believe in, so they were going to just flee, but got worried they'd be hunted down and killed so they mutinied instead and killed the Emperor, ending the war
Yuwen Huaji - Wikipedia
Lucullus lost the Battle of Zela and had to abandon the Mithridatic Wars because his soldiers refused to keep fighting
Battle of Zela (67 BC) - Wikipedia
And like I said before, the downfall of Marcos in Philippines in 1986, the downfall of Ben Ali in Tunisia in 2011, and the downfall of Mubarak that very same year were all because their armies refused to fight against a nonviolent rebellion and turned on their own ruler instead.
Military Urged to Stop Supporting Marcos
How Hosni Mubarak misread his military men
When do militaries side with protestors?
Those are all only the more obvious ones - in reality lack of morale and end of desire to fight is part of the reason a lot of wars end. It's just that military historians and strategists tend to want to focus on the "great men", and not acknowledge how much impact the regular soldier can have on deciding events. One exception I can think of is Leo Tolstoy, who in War and Peace basically says the generals have no control over events at all and are just reacting to what thousands of men and events have already decided for them.
Population of Ukraine is 44 million, a hundred thousand defecting soldiers would be 0.2%. Doesn't even register in terms of taxing resources. Not to mention if necessary they could simply join the refugees and defect to any of the surrounding nations.