The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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The Bolded is the only thing that matters. We seem to agree on this point so I don't really see the disagreement.

Unless you want the US to intervene

I do not want the USA to engage in violence.

Truth and right action go together, you will never consistently get the second unless you are committed to the first.

My #1 concern in this thread is supporting truth. I'm gonna call out shyt that isn't true and I'm gonna be especially vigilant about that if I feel the source of that untruth is overtly trying to deceive in order to get an objective. Especially if that is a violent objective.

At the same time, I'm equally concerned with opposing violence. And I'm going to be the most upset about those who instigate violence, especially if they are doing it from a position of power.
 

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man stfu. Here in another month or so you’ll be making your third tearful exit with a long ass explanation nobody gives a fukk about.

You're the one who believed idiotic misinformation off of Instagram, not me. And it's a pattern for you.

I get that being stupid ain't your fault, but do you have to be so aggressively stupid every time? Can't you be, like, humbly stupid or quietly stupid for a change?
 

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You're the one who believed idiotic misinformation off of Instagram, not me.

I get that being stupid ain't your fault, but do you have to be so aggressively stupid every time. Can't you be, like, humbly stupid or quietly stupid for a change?

I’ll be a little stupid. I don’t have the time or interest in playing detective behind them folks and you nikkas sound stupid as hell running your mouths like you know what you’re talking about or like either of those countries wouldn’t mistreat your Black asses given the chance.

but what I’m not is a weak ass nikka who can’t handle words on a computer screen and has to type out lengthy explanations and apologies about why you have to leave for the sake of your mental health, and not once but twice! lol. you should feel like a real hoe showing your face back around here
 

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I’ll be a little stupid. I don’t have the time or interest in playing detective behind them folks and you nikkas sound stupid as hell running your mouths like you know what you’re talking about or like either of those countries wouldn’t mistreat your Black asses given the chance.

but what I’m not is a weak ass nikka who can’t handle words on a computer screen and has to type out lengthy explanations and apologies about why you have to leave for the sake of your mental health, and not once but twice! lol. you should feel like a real hoe showing your face back around here

Try and pretend you're not weak but you're in your feelings so much you're bringing something that happened months ago on a subforum you don't even post in. Something that didn't even concern you. Have I been living in your head? Did I hurt you sometime and you've had it stored up all this while, angry and hoping to bring it up again?

We're posting about a fukking war in Russia and you're about to type your 3rd straight message getting out your feelings over another grown man you don't even know. :mjlol:
 

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I do not want the USA to engage in violence.

Truth and right action go together, you will never consistently get the second unless you are committed to the first.

My #1 concern in this thread is supporting truth. I'm gonna call out shyt that isn't true and I'm gonna be especially vigilant about that if I feel the source of that untruth is overtly trying to deceive in order to get an objective. Especially if that is a violent objective.

At the same time, I'm equally concerned with opposing violence. And I'm going to be the most upset about those who instigate violence, especially if they are doing it from a position of power.
So you're looking at it from a moral angle.

Got it.

I'm not really concerned with the moral angle because there's several ongoing wars that could be won with US logistical help that don't end up with a possible nuclear armagoddon situation But I see your point.

You got to know that the Only way the Ukrainans win is by Intervention or an ongoing guerrilla war which the Ukrainians lost every sngle time.
 

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So you're looking at it from a moral angle.

Got it.

I'm not really concerned with the moral angle because there's several ongoing wars that could be won with US logistical help that don't end up with a possible nuclear armagoddon situation But I see your point.

You got to know that the Only way the Ukrainans win is by Intervention or an ongoing guerrilla war which the Ukrainians lost every sngle time.

Considering the degree of popular discontent with the invasion in both Ukraine and Russia, and the depth of the sanctions against Russia, and how complete the unity within Ukraine against the occupation is, this would like be one of the easiest wars ever to win with simple nonviolent resistance.

Let's say Ukraine just stops fighting right now and Russia tries to occupy, but they refuse to cooperate with the occupiers. Then what? The Russian soldiers don't even want to be there. They'd want even less to violently enforce their will over a population that isn't resisting. The Russian people don't want their soldiers to be there, and they want their to be there even less for a long drug-out occupation over a nation that isn't even fighting back. The Ukrainians would be united in their resistance. The occupation would be incredibly costly for Russia cause Ukraine is a huge fukking country so they'd have hundreds of thousands of forces who would need to be supplied continuously, and meanwhile the sanctions would be incredibly costly for Russia too. The Ukrainians would simply tell the world to hold strong on the sanctions and tighten the noose on Russia's neck. Every day it went on would be like a continuing war for Russia with all the resources they'd be hemorrhaging but they wouldn't even have a way to fight back. Eventually they'd be willing to sign a peace deal better than anything they'd off now solely so they could bring their soldiers back and end the sanctions.
 

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Considering the degree of popular discontent with the invasion in both Ukraine and Russia, and the depth of the sanctions against Russia, and how complete the unity within Ukraine against the occupation is, this would like be one of the easiest wars ever to win with simple nonviolent resistance.

Let's say Ukraine just stops fighting right now and Russia tries to occupy, but they refuse to cooperate with the occupiers. Then what? The Russian soldiers don't even want to be there. They'd want even less to violently enforce their will over a population that isn't resisting. The Russian people don't want their soldiers to be there, and they want their to be there even less for a long drug-out occupation over a nation that isn't even fighting back. The Ukrainians would be united in their resistance. The occupation would be incredibly costly for Russia cause Ukraine is a huge fukking country so they'd have hundreds of thousands of forces who would need to be supplied continuously, and meanwhile the sanctions would be incredibly costly for Russia too. The Ukrainians would simply tell the world to hold strong on the sanctions and tighten the noose on Russia's neck. Every day it went on would be like a continuing war for Russia with all the resources they'd be hemorrhaging but they wouldn't even have a way to fight back. Eventually they'd be willing to sign a peace deal better than anything they'd off now solely so they could bring their soldiers back and end the sanctions.


NATO is going to have to give Russia something really good though. I dont know what exactly. What kind of appeasement can be made to Putin to make him call it off? What can they offer him? An end to sanctions?...... i dont feel thats enough. He can painfully occupy multiple cities in Ukraine for a long time with his air superiority,controlling the power,food,etc Are Western hearts strong enough to see Ukraine suffer through that? Russians will be fine even with the sanctions in the short term, they will endure for now. Its a double side high stakes bluff using human lives. The world isnt completely abandoning Russia either. China,India,Isreal,Mcdonalds,Coke,etc Its getting weird. You also have to think they planned ahead for this. I think they are ready for a bit of a long game. They wont be forced into anything anytime soon.
 

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Al-Qaeda barely existed during the Soviet-Afghan war. :gucci:


you know what he means though
the mujahadeen vs the soviets
America and Pakistan basically armed/showed/trainned a bunch of ragtag fighters on how to take down a big power using faith and tactics
paving the way for alqaeda later
Charlie wilsons war, u saw that man
 
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Considering the degree of popular discontent with the invasion in both Ukraine and Russia, and the depth of the sanctions against Russia, and how complete the unity within Ukraine against the occupation is, this would like be one of the easiest wars ever to win with simple nonviolent resistance.

Let's say Ukraine just stops fighting right now and Russia tries to occupy, but they refuse to cooperate with the occupiers. Then what? The Russian soldiers don't even want to be there. They'd want even less to violently enforce their will over a population that isn't resisting. The Russian people don't want their soldiers to be there, and they want their to be there even less for a long drug-out occupation over a nation that isn't even fighting back. The Ukrainians would be united in their resistance. The occupation would be incredibly costly for Russia cause Ukraine is a huge fukking country so they'd have hundreds of thousands of forces who would need to be supplied continuously, and meanwhile the sanctions would be incredibly costly for Russia too. The Ukrainians would simply tell the world to hold strong on the sanctions and tighten the noose on Russia's neck. Every day it went on would be like a continuing war for Russia with all the resources they'd be hemorrhaging but they wouldn't even have a way to fight back. Eventually they'd be willing to sign a peace deal better than anything they'd off now solely so they could bring their soldiers back and end the sanctions.
Two issues The Russians conquered the Ukrainans at least 3 times before.

Secondly you're assuming that the Russians will follow the rules of Law Warfare which wouldn't even apply during an insurgency.

I was in Fallujah during the aftermath of the battle and there was a 10% occupation rate tons of buildings were destroyed, If the building didn't have an X on it meaning it was "cleared". It wasn't standing. I knocked down the wall of a house with an X on it by accident while test driving a Tank.

The Marine tankers said they needed a Lt. Colonel's approval to fire the Tank Gun.


You think the Russians will tell their troops that? You think that a ünmotivated" Russian solider will be in a armored vehicle see some dudes shooting at him with an AK or throwing a Molitov Cocktail and wheel the Co Ax Gun (the light Machine gun) at them or will he fire a Main Gun round that will kill them and destroy several houses full of innocent people? That's not what the Russians did in any other war.


The only reason they wouldn't do that is because they think that NATO would intervene which would mean that the Russkies were disiplined which means that they are somewhat motivated.

What does Victory look like for the Ukrainains? A devastated countryside with the Russians taking everything they can and the 82nd Airborne in the Donbass. If I were Russia I'd play up the fact that It will be like Germany Black soliders will be fukking the shyt out of broke ass Ukrainan girls.
 
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