The Russia - Ukraine Conflict
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Looks like we have a new set of accounts in here with the pro-Putin/Russian posts. I think it's no coincidence that these some of these same accounts would post pro-Trump nonsense in recent times.
Real question. Why do you keep signal-boosting Russian propaganda narratives from untrustworthy sources, yet completely ignore far worse information when it comes out about Russia?
No one denies that there are neo-nazis in Ukraine. They're a fringe. They and all the other right-wing ultranationalists got less than 2% of the vote in the last election and don't hold any seats in government. They have a few hundred people in the military leading a squad who Zelensky tried to eliminate (according to your OWN source) and failed so he turns them into cannon fodder instead.
Meanwhile, Putin actively collaborates with his neo-nazi military leaders and sends them to commit war crimes in Africa:
Russia's neo-Nazi paramilitary leaders
Dmitry Utkin, Russian Commander, confirmed neo-Nazi, friend of Putin, recipient of Russia's "Order of Courage", and founder and leader of Russia's paramilitary "Wagner Group", their lead mercenaries for every conflict where Putin doesn't want his legit soldiers getting their hands dirty. These are the guys doing most of the fighting in Africa and they've been fukking up shyt in Ukraine since 2014
Janas Petrovskis, the Wagner Group's lead trainer and another confirmed, proud neo-Nazi
Aleksander Voskanyan, another Wagner Group leader who was found using White Supremacist slogans on social media before he was killed in combat in Syria
Numerous other Wagner Group members push neo-Nazi ideology:
Russia even supports an American neo-nazi group called "The Base" that aims to overthrow the American, Canadian, and Australian governments but whose leader works out of Russia for his own safety
You're literally believing the propaganda of the same people who send these guys out to kill Black folk.
Russian Mercenaries Are Driving War Crimes in Africa, U.N. Says
Russian mercenaries implicated in torture and killing of civilians in Central African Republic - CNN
The Times: Putin has sent mercenaries to Kyiv led by an admirer of the Nazis to murder Zelenskyy and the Klitschko brothers - Romea.cz
https://www.respublica.lt/neonacizmas-rusijos-samdiniu-tarpe
This is not entirely true
Wagner group is a private militia like Blackwater. it is even bankrolled by a Russian Jewish oligarch. They came into Africa at the behest of African governments to fight terrorists like al shabab.
Russia does not have any Nazis in government . Russia utilizing Neo-Nazis is similar to how America used al-Qaeda and ISIS.
the situation is different in Ukraine
Ukraine has multiple Nazis in government. I even saw a portrait of Stepan bandera in one of the Ukrainian mayor’s offices.
Ukrainian has a long history of nazi support and collaboration. It’s not a fringe.
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Mike Nasty
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How exactly?
America used al-qaeda to fight the soviets in Afghanistan
they also sponsored isis in the Syrian civil war
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If Wagner Group isn't part of the Russian government then who the fukk sent them into Ukraine in 2014? And again in 2017? And again in 2022?
You're right on one thing, Wagner Group not being part of the Russian government is exactly as believable as Blackwater not being part of the US government. There is zero chance they do jack shyt without approval from Putin. They exist solely to do shyt that Putin wants plausible deniability for war crimes and unauthorized invasions.
This here is Putin standing with the neo-Nazi military leader who isn't part of his government, right? Funny that Putin would take posed pictures with known neo-nazis who don't work for him, isn't it?
And here's their financier with the Putin who he doesn't work for, right? The one whose office he was exposed to have had hundreds of calls to and from?
That might be the dumbest shyt I've seen in this thread.
The neo-nazis who lead the Wagner group are literally sent by Putin, literally meet face-to-face with Putin, directly carry out the Russian government's orders.....and you just equated them to the al-queda.
Some random fukking mayor isn't part of the Ukraine government, he's part of that city's government. USA has random nazi politicians like David Duke who made it to higher levels than mayor, that doesn't somehow mean the White House is nazis.
Ukraine has a far-right ultranationalist party that all its nazis support, it's called Svoboda. Svoboda and all other far-right parties joined together to run in the 2019 election, and COMBINED they only got 2% of the vote and didn't win a single seat in government. The more reasonable nationalist candidate and incumbant president Poroshenko (closer to Desantis than to David Duke) only got 24%. Zelensky, a Jew explicitly fighting against nationalism and for inclusion and unity, won over 70% of the vote.
Zelensky has been involved with major conflict with that single military squad that does the nazi shyt, to the point where there were even reports that there was gunfire between the neo-nazis and regular military and four people died. Literally no one in Ukraine thinks Zelensky's sympathies are with the neo-nazis.
Your narrative is bullshyt. The only question is whether you participate in the Russian disinformation campaign cause you're an agent or just cause you're a fukking idiot.
I get it but dudes are putting so many caveats on a real life situation it doesn't make sense.
al-Queda wasn't even formed until the Soviet War in Afghanistan was basically over.
USA used Aghani mujahideen to fight the Soviets, not al-queda. Bin Laden got involved in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets too but he fukking hated America and he never needed American funding because his family is literal billionaires and the Saudi fighters in Afghanistan were funded by the Saudi government, the Muslim brotherhood, and other wealthy Saudi connections. He was solely involved with the Afghan struggle at first and didn't come up with the idea of starting al-queda until late 1988 when the Soviets were already on their way out.
I'd love for you to explain how the did that.
At the same time, try and explain why so many Isis members fighting in Syria had so recently been released from Syrian prisons.
But that's all besides the point, it would be completely idiotic to compare the Wagner Group to mujahedeen in Afghanistan or rebels in Syria because the Wagner Group are fukking Russian soldiers. They live in Russia, they're trained in Russia, they're paid by Russia, they're armed by Russia, their orders come from the Russian government. They aren't random local fighters who Putin has decided to supply, they're a literal Russian army who Putin sends around the world to any conflict he wants. They're the ones who took Crimea for him in the first place, they're the ones who have been fighting in eastern Ukraine since 2014, they're the ones he sent to Syria and the ones he sent to Africa.
How the fukk are you going to claim that random-ass Ukrainian soldiers in open conflict with President Zelensky are more fundamentally part of the government than elite Russian soldiers who literally hang out in Putin's office and do whatever he wants them to do?
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The Prince of All Saiyans
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Solid posting. This is the inconvenient information and nuances that the simple minded on here dont want to be bothered with.
As funny as this is Putin could suck my dikk and I hope his immediate family is arrested after somebody puts a hot one in between his beady little eyes. Bro really had to press this issue and now airfare is gonna look crazy when I go on my next vacation let alone my commute smfh 130$ a barrel and probably not done there
You got to understand that Russia talks to the US all the time. I'll bet Biden told Putin Hey Man don't specifically target Civilians or Zelensky and we'll stay out of it. You carpet bomb schools and I might have to do something don't force my hand
Which is why they haven't rained a million missiles on Kyiv before they started the invasion proper i.e the Shock and awe campaign that we did trying to get Saddam out of the paint off the top.
They're cutting off the seaports and attacking the power plants The west can deliver food and water by Air or Land But they can't keep the lights on
This is still winter once the people start freezing they'll sue for peace.
The italics aren't plausible.
You actually make Biden and Putin seem like better people than they are by suggesting that Biden's #1 concern is civilians and Putin's actually listening to USA input.
Civilians don't have jack shyt to do with it, Biden hasn't sent forces because Russia has 4,500 nukes and WW3 would be bad. Russia has avoided taking out civilians because they wish to control Ukraine and wanted to be seen as the friendly liberators by as many people as possible. A population that hates your guts and wants to kill you on sight is too difficult to occupy and control.
And if Putin was doing what Biden wanted him to, then we wouldn't have seen the harshest sanctions ever leveled against a global power in world history.
There is zero chance that Putin has taken the slightest USA advice on Ukraine. He ain't doing jack shyt that Biden wants him to do until he gets the exact concessions he wants.