The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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Outside of separatists they don’t want to be part of the Russian federation
But many in Eastern Ukraine want to maintain their close ties to Russia.

Separatists also want their own independent nations with Russia as a strong trading partner, similar to the ethnic oblast lines drawn during the USSR years.
 

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"Largest war in Europe" is the key phrase here.
Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East all have ongoing military conflicts due to Western interference and proxy wars. Why not another one?

And both France and the U.K. backing this is laughable.
Putin didnt bluff. Probably get sanctioned and nothing else. Meanwhile seems like nato and their allies been bluffing from the jump.
It's less a bluff for Russia than it is a strategic maneuver to either ensure they have strong support on their orders or to force the hand of NATO (i.e. the U.S. and U.K.).
Cliffs on why Russia is invading Ukraine :feedme:
Ukraine has a long history with Russia. It was a part of the USSR. After the collapse of the USSR, the United States began pushing for strong relationships with former Soviet-bloc countries, and "joining NATO" was the easiest way to do it. That then allowed them to bring them into the financialization fold, and also allowed them to gain a strategic military advantage. What is very rarely talked about is that after the "fall" of the USSR, the new economy introduced by the West led to massive issues with these countries' economies, and the quality of life dropped massively - Ukraine was one of these countries. A huge chunk of it is ethnically and linguistically Russian, and that chunk wants to retain ties with Russia. The other portion of the country isn't and wants to join the fold of the Western European nations.
The U.S. is pushing for the country to join the West, has armed and trained some of the right-wing and neo-Nazi portions of Ukraine, and as such - has directly implemented the split.

Russia wants control on their side.
 

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"Largest war in Europe" is the key phrase here.
Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East all have ongoing military conflicts due to Western interference and proxy wars. Why not another one?

And both France and the U.K. backing this is laughable.

It's less a bluff for Russia than it is a strategic maneuver to either ensure they have strong support on their orders or to force the hand of NATO (i.e. the U.S. and U.K.).

Ukraine has a long history with Russia. It was a part of the USSR. After the collapse of the USSR, the United States began pushing for strong relationships with former Soviet-bloc countries, and "joining NATO" was the easiest way to do it. That then allowed them to bring them into the financialization fold, and also allowed them to gain a strategic military advantage. What is very rarely talked about is that after the "fall" of the USSR, the new economy introduced by the West led to massive issues with these countries' economies, and the quality of life dropped massively - Ukraine was one of these countries. A huge chunk of it is ethnically and linguistically Russian, and that chunk wants to retain ties with Russia. The other portion of the country isn't and wants to join the fold of the Western European nations.
The U.S. is pushing for the country to join the West, has armed and trained some of the right-wing and neo-Nazi portions of Ukraine, and as such - has directly implemented the split.

Russia wants control on their side.

You’re one of few educated posters on this topic.

But I’d like to clear the misconception about UK and France getting involved.

I’m British and I understand the UK’s stance. In a blank space - the UK doesn’t care about Eastern Europe and, Eastern Europeans are the primary reason for Brexit. A lot of UK’s anti-Russia posturing stems from the Soviet Union’s involvement in the Suez Canal crisis and the fact that it was the event that finally buried the British empire and put a nail on its coffin. Coupled with the Anglo-American connection. However, this country is broke and it can’t afford a war. And how would a country whose economy is built on the real estate market and banking, survive without the people laundering money through its banks and real estate? Don’t be fooled, if the big war kicks off - the UK won’t send more than 5-10k soldiers, a handful of typhoons (Eurofighter) and 2/3 corvettes.

As for France - it’s right for it to be politically correct in the media since Germany is letting it lead the Eurozone. But France has left its people in Ukraine (ditto other European countries) without evacuating them - unlike the US/UK. Macron said there’s no reason to. So, that should tell you something about where the French stand.
 
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