The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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Artfull Dodger said:
this is true. but the political rhetoric from US & Nato countries made Ukraine think they got their back. Its why the president ddint heed
Putin's call to lay down n commit to not joining Nato. The west actually left him in the cold
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No NATO leader promised a military response as that is not in the laws of NATO.
 
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:stopitslime: The audacity of France like they didn’t just get kicked out of Mali last week and neocolonialism is still under-developing Africa. The west’s propaganda is portraying their support of Ukraine like it’s altruistic when really it’s about not allowing Russia to become strong again.

 
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Artfull Dodger said:
this is true. but the political rhetoric from US & Nato countries made Ukraine think they got their back. Its why the president ddint heed
Putin's call to lay down n commit to not joining Nato. The west actually left him in the cold
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Maybe - but realistically nobody expected this invasion and western leaders made their choices based on that assumption.
 
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Ian_Carter said:
:stopitslime: The audacity of France like they didn’t just get kicked out of Mali last week and neocolonialism is still under-developing Africa. The west’s propaganda is portraying their support of Ukraine like it’s altruistic when really it’s about not allowing Russia to become strong again.

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Macron is an imbecile.
 
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It's a wrap brehs...

Ukraine ready to discuss neutrality, says Zelensky



Accusing the West of leaving Ukraine to face Moscow alone, President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday he was not afraid to negotiate about ending the Russian invasion, but would need security guarantees to do so.

Speaking in the early hours of the morning from Kiev, Zelensky said he had reached out to “partners” in the West to tell them Ukraine’s fate was at stake.

“I asked them – are you with us?” Zelensky said. “They answered that they are with us, but they don’t want to take us into the alliance. I’ve asked 27 leaders of Europe, if Ukraine will be in NATO, I’ve asked them directly — all are afraid and did not respond”

“We were left by ourselves. Who is ready to go to war for us? Honestly, I don’t see anybody. Who is ready to give Ukraine guarantees of NATO membership? Honestly, everybody is afraid,” the Ukrainian president added.
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thats not really the case. Read the NATO rules and charters. They can’t accept a new meme er state that is already occupied (Ukraine has had to small regions occupied since 2014. This would mean insta-war mobilization for all NATO member states to defend that occupied state.

What they did was right. Drop and continue to supply tons of weapons advanced enough to hurt Russia’s older equipment. They’re also deployed logistics personnel and equipment to surrounding friendly countries so that there will always be a logistics chain for more equipment. The rest is hurting Russia financially and socially in hopes that it’s own citizens will pressure Putin to take a step back in the future.

The next few weeks/months will be incredibly painful for the Russian government. Even I didn’t expect open mass protests in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
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Where are the mass protests in Moscow and St. Petersburg?

Pockets of protesters =/= mass protests. If you want to know what mass anti-war protests look like - Google 2003 anti-war protests in London against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, you’re also off with your analysis. The invasion is going to play out the same way Georgia played out in 2008, albeit with regime change in Kiev this time. Once they overthrow the US puppet in power and restore the country back to where it was in 2014 - before the democratically elected president was overthrown by CIA funded fake Arab Spring protests - they have no reason to stay there.

And just because the Russians started Day 1 with their older military hardware - that doesn’t they have “older weapons”. Even the US military said it yesterday but some of you are still in denial. They’re using more modern weapons in Syria than in Ukraine and that should tell you something.
 
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The Battle for Kiev is kicking off.

Time to grab a cup of tea and enjoy the spectacle.

War is no joke but the world has enjoyed wars and destruction of African and Arab countries for 3 decades now with impunity. No crime in enjoying this one.

Message to Americans: your country is responsible for most of the criminal invasions and bloodshed in the world, in the last 6 decades. And just because some people don’t align with your country’s criminal foreign policy - that doesn’t make them a commie or an agent. I know a lot of you are poorly educated and emotionally unstable - grow a pair/brain and stop accusing anyone that doesn’t agree with you of nonsense. It’s a massive world outside America and no one owes you shyt.
 
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