The role of the Black Middle Class/ Rich in the Black Community

[2Quik4UHoes]

Thing is when Black folks move on up they often move into middle class Black neighborhoods,so they are still living around Black people. A person who lived in the South Bronx is more likely to move to Co-Op City or Riverdale rather than say the Upper West Side.

And there's nothing wrong with that, but not everybody can live in those neighborhoods. I'm just sayin, if white folks are flocking to the ghetto and snatching up the property then why in the fukk aren't more affluent black folks doin the same? How can the upper class black community allow Harlem or BK go out like they are right now? It's a prime opportunity to uplift the community right now and ain't nobody taking advantage.

 

[ogc163]

And there's nothing wrong with that, but not everybody can live in those neighborhoods. I'm just sayin, if white folks are flocking to the ghetto and snatching up the property then why in the fukk aren't more affluent black folks doin the same? How can the upper class black community allow Harlem or BK go out like they are right now? It's a prime opportunity to uplift the community right now and ain't nobody taking advantage.

Actually college educated well off Black folks are moving to Harlem at an increasing rate even during hard times Harlem had a good number of college educated affluent Black folks living there. But again I don't think they could be as effective or influential as you seem to want them to be. I've worked in Harlem and I have friends and family out there. I've seen firsthand people trying to help out as best they can and still not be effective. Like any other group affluent Black people have other priorities, why would they want to overpay to live in Harlem when they can purchase/rent in other neighborhoods at a fraction of the price. Keeping Harlem "Black" is not going to trump the other factors people have to take into consideration.

 

[ogc163]

Hey does anyone have any idea where I can find the second part of that video? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[GoPro]

And there's nothing wrong with that, but not everybody can live in those neighborhoods. I'm just sayin, if white folks are flocking to the ghetto and snatching up the property then why in the fukk aren't more affluent black folks doin the same? How can the upper class black community allow Harlem or BK go out like they are right now? It's a prime opportunity to uplift the community right now and ain't nobody taking advantage.

White folks are moving into the hood because they have no choice. They're not affluent, its a bunch of late 20s/early 30s yuppies rooming with one another. How many of them do you see with kids?

As far as your earlier question about courses for excons, thats not a bad idea.

 

[Broke Wave]

People are over emphasizing culture and race in this discussion, and those wealthier black people do not and should not have any obligation to help black people in America specifically, just because they're black. If that was the case, black people would get no help, because even if all the wealthier blacks helped, there clearly wouldn't be enough help to go around monetarily because there are way more poor blacks

Black people need to demand social justice and not beg uppity ass nikkas for help. There's money out there for our communities that they can TAKE in the courtrooms of America, and in the legislature. The farmers in the Midwest get billions of dollars a year in subsidizes which is cash for their pockets, because all of them vote toghether on 1 issue, you don't wanna cross them because they don't give a fukk, Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative whatever, they will protect their interests.

BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO DO THIS!!!

 

[ogc163]

People are over emphasizing culture and race in this discussion, and those wealthier black people do not and should not have any obligation to help black people in America specifically, just because they're black. If that was the case, black people would get no help, because even if all the wealthier blacks helped, there clearly wouldn't be enough help to go around monetarily because there are way more poor blacks

Black people need to demand social justice and not beg uppity ass nikkas for help. There's money out there for our communities that they can TAKE in the courtrooms of America, and in the legislature. The farmers in the Midwest get billions of dollars a year in subsidizes which is cash for their pockets, because all of them vote toghether on 1 issue, you don't wanna cross them because they don't give a fukk, Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative whatever, they will protect their interests.

BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO DO THIS!!!

C/S the 1st part, but in terms of the second part the issue is that within the Black community people have very different issues and priorities. And in some cases the priorities clash, an example is the issues revolving around education here in NYC. You have Black folks who are pro-charter schools, anti-charter schools, pro-union, anti-union, and things have become more and more intense with each passing year.

 

[Sinnerman]

Whats wrong with living in the hood?

safety issues b

 

[Broke Wave]

C/S the 1st part, but in terms of the second part the issue is that within the Black community people have very different issues and priorities. And in some cases the priorities clash, an example is the issues revolving around education here in NYC. You have Black folks who are pro-charter schools, anti-charter schools, pro-union, anti-union, and things have become more and more intense with each passing year.

Exactly this x10

It's like, yeah I generally support unions, BUT :


1. Why is this union not hiring nikkas?

2. Is this union trying to protect our community interest?


If we start lookin at what is our immediate interest in all of our transactions, then black people gonna be strong. It's like of course I don't recommend black people ever vote for a Republican, but being in the bag for the Democrats don't help at all either. Black people gotta get strong and tell the Democrats and Republicans that they not playing no more.

If Obama locked up the Black vote in January, you think he's gonna go out of his way and make promises for Black people in August??? HELL NO

 

[Techniec]

black folk need to create their own political party, thats the first step

there needs to be mentors hitting these low income communities hard

there needs to be "guardian angel" type organizations of folks keeping the gang bangers and drug dealers off the streets

 

[unit321]

The Bruce Springsteen/Jay-Z thread had folks throwing around the word "c00n" because of how supposedly Jay-Z does not help out the Black community even though financially I guess people feel he has a obligation to do so. I just started reading Lawrence Otis Graham's "Our Kind of People" and in the book he points out that many wealthy Black folks who are apart of the "Black Elite" would rather help out from a distance but don't really want to interact with poor Black people on a regular basis. He also points to wealthy Black people who just don't give a fukk, who feel that the situation is out of their hands and can't do much about it. My questions are...

Should the Black upper middle class/rich be obligated to help out Black people living in poverty? ...

No. We are not in communist China.

How do you feel about wealthy Blacks who are indifferent to the problems in the general Black community?...

For people who rose up out of poverty, they know that there are lazy turds who basically mooch off everyone else who have no motivation to get out of their situation. No need to help them. Yeah, the well-off can donate to the food bank because that gets distributed to families in need.

It's not just black people. It applies to any white, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc. person who is lazy and not motivated to work for the money, make a living, earn their money.

 

[Sinnerman]

black folk need to create their own political party, thats the first step

there needs to be mentors hitting these low income communities hard

there needs to be "guardian angel" type organizations of folks keeping the gang bangers and drug dealers off the streets

I like this. wouldn't mind being a part of these

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

And there's nothing wrong with that, but not everybody can live in those neighborhoods. I'm just sayin, if white folks are flocking to the ghetto and snatching up the property then why in the fukk aren't more affluent black folks doin the same? How can the upper class black community allow Harlem or BK go out like they are right now? It's a prime opportunity to uplift the community right now and ain't nobody taking advantage.

Again I think you overestimate the power this group has

You are talking about a few thousand upper class families fighting billion dollar real estate developers, with the help of Mayor Bloomberg

And theres only so many hours in a day... these people still have to work and raise their families, and many of them are already engaged in the communities you speak of. What could upper class black folks do beyond what they are already doing?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Again I think you overestimate the power this group has

You are talking about a few thousand upper class families fighting billion dollar real estate developers, with the help of Mayor Bloomberg

And theres only so many hours in a day... these people still have to work and raise their families, and many of them are already engaged in the communities you speak of. What could upper class black folks do, short of becoming landlords to, unfortunately, some of the most difficult and least profitable tenants in the city?

Do what everyone else is doing? As a child of immigrants I've seen how tight knit communities and unity help with upward mobility. You mean to tell me those "few thousand" upper class black families aren't enough to gentrify a community? Here's an example: If a black man owns a construction company then why not buy up the old properties and restore them. Have them sold to other middle or upper class blacks that want to be closer to downtown and their respective jobs, businesses, etc? This just isn't for NYC, this is for all major cities with large black populations.

That's just one thing. I mean you can name many things that can be done. I'm not saying families have to directly do this, but more like if what made you rich can somehow benefit the community then why not use it and help with growth and development? Consider every ethnic group it's own individual nation within a nation, this is a place where nation building tools and materials are abundant, so why not build up your nation instead of look down upon it?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Do what everyone else is doing? As a child of immigrants I've seen how tight knit communities and unity help with upward mobility. You mean to tell me those "few thousand" upper class black families aren't enough to gentrify a community? Here's an example: If a black man owns a construction company then why not buy up the old properties and restore them. Have them sold to other middle or upper class blacks that want to be closer to downtown and their respective jobs, businesses, etc? This just isn't for NYC, this is for all major cities with large black populations.

Well for starters thats illegal... I am pretty sure that would fall under discriminatory housing

Two you are making the quantum leap of an assumption that dude would be able to buy, restore, find black families interested to them and sell them off for a profit in a timely manner. "I gotta report to a nikka too wheres that money Juelz" Any of those get held up, its a rizzy and the construction dude is left holding the bag. Only way it would work would be if the families all came together and bought the shyt.... but then if the properties are occupied, what becomes of the people living there? You get back into the problems of gentrification in the very neighborhoods these families are supposed to be helping

That's just one thing. I mean you can name many things that can be done. I'm not saying families have to directly do this, but more like if what made you rich can somehow benefit the community then why not use it and help with growth and development? Consider every ethnic group it's own individual nation within a nation, this is a place where nation building tools and materials are abundant, so why not build up your nation instead of look down upon it?

"This is America, Jack"

There is so much abundance here, black Americans just need to tap into it. Broke Wave summed it up perfectly. Isolation is def not the answer, when you look at how much shyt is fukked up and how many aspects of the system are not working in our favor. Why pool together to swim upstream when you can change the tide

 

[ogc163]

In NYC the heightened cost as a result of barrier to entry makes it difficult for any real estate company to just purchase property. Then you would have to convince middle class folks to uproot where ever they are at to settle down in these new apartments, that's difficult by itself convincing whole groups only makes it more difficult.