The role of the Black Middle Class/ Rich in the Black Community

[Consigliere]

I can't believe there are people in here who think the solution is for more Black people to move to the hood.

No other group of people on the face of the planet is expected to do this.

Could yall imagine if White folk tried to fix generational poverty by moving into trailer parks?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I can't believe there are people in here who think the solution is for more Black people to move to the hood.

No other group of people on the face of the planet is expected to do this.

Could yall imagine if White folk tried to fix generational poverty by moving into trailer parks?

Yea that too

 

[No1]

I can't believe there are people in here who think the solution is for more Black people to move to the hood.

No other group of people on the face of the planet is expected to do this.

Could yall imagine if White folk tried to fix generational poverty by moving into trailer parks?

Corey Booker ruined the game.

 

[Black Hans]

They don't have an obligation to give anything back to the black community. However, if they are in a position to open doors for black people that are willing to walk through that door, then I think they should. Also, financially successful black people should have an obligation to not act like a damn Tom and when real racial shyt pop off acting all when they are put in a situation where they have to confront white and other non-black racists. Have some damn dignity!!!! As far as giving money though? That's some commie shyt. It's already been documented that black people "give back" to their communities more than any other group in this country, it's time for those that are getting the give back to step their damn game up.

 

[Black Hans]

I can't believe there are people in here who think the solution is for more Black people to move to the hood.

No other group of people on the face of the planet is expected to do this.

Could yall imagine if White folk tried to fix generational poverty by moving into trailer parks?

Might as well be giving pearls to pigs.

 

[Consigliere]

Corey Booker ruined the game.

Corey Booker aint ordinary though.

 

[Black Hans]

i know it won't happen but what i truly, sincerely wish is that more black middle class people would MOVE to the hood and give the rest more hope... give somebody in the neighborhood to look up to. let them SEE peers with the same skin color and diff aspirations so i aint automatically pegged as bein "white". the main reason that shyt happens is cuz of its such a disconnect. how could we you ever expect different when there's rarely a concrete example...

my moma was a teacher. i don't think we was doin it like that at all but i guess you could say we were middle class. i just graduated college this saturday and while i'm lookin for jobs, i'm REALLY hopin i get this 1 year full time volunteer opportunity in god knows where cuz they got the program in so many cities except for my own. after that i wanna teach and LIVE in the hood. be an active/recognized part of it... it takes alot of sacrifice, but honestly thats the kinda attitude i think is needed alot more... i just wish more were willin to commit.

The main reason that wouldn't happen is because they would get robbed and hated on by broke, envious nikkas. And I might be crazy but I don't think they would want that.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

They don't have an obligation to give anything back to the black community. However, if they are in a position to open doors for black people that are willing to walk through that door, then I think they should. Also, financially successful black people should have an obligation to not act like a damn Tom and when real racial shyt pop off acting all when they are put in a situation where they have to confront white and other non-black racists. Have some damn dignity!!!! As far as giving money though? That's some commie shyt. It's already been documented that black people "give back" to their communities more than any other group in this country, it's time for those that are getting the give back to step their damn game up.

Its hard to step your game up when police are being directed to harass you and your schools are understaffed and underfunded

Theres a lot of systematic issues too

But I agree theres a lot of cultural shyt that needs to be fixed and that can only come from within

Its like going to the Middle East and trying to get those motherfukkers to stop killing each other. Its actually very similar, because a lot of shyt going on there (Israel, Iran) is the result of our own doing, but being continued and perpetuated by the people there

 

[ogc163]

I think it is important to help

But I think its also important to realize the impact of the choices people make, as well as the difficulty of changing culture. I forget who it was, Alpo? Who every Camron was supposed to be in PIF... he saw how other people lived. Jay saw how other people lived outside the hood. But they both still sold crack

Dealing w/kids is tough because they think they know it all...a lot of parents can't reach their own kids, how can someone from the outside do it?

You couple that w/the breakdown of the family structure, the culture of attn whoring, the short term mentality and the lack of economic opportunity... that shyt is a hell of an upward struggle. Some rich black folks (who a lot of times might be seen as high + mighty outsiders) can't do all that, its gotta be them, the parents, the teachers, the police, the community leaders, everyone the kids come in contact with. And even still, a lot of the kids who need the help the most are not involved in any programs where a mentor could reach them... at least maybe not till they are in the penal system, at which point its usually too late

Not to say rich black folks shouldnt help, or that its completely pointless, but it sounds like the expectation is on them to and fix the hood on their own which is totally unreasonable

Yeah I've seen my sister try to give people advice and not even in a condescending way and get the face from my cousins. There is a tendency to overrate the power to influence people, I would love to believe that if Richard Parsons had come to my middle school my friends who are locked up, dead, or on drugs would have changed their lives. I would be kidding myself, because most of them would be inspired for a couple of hours then come up with a myriad of reasons why that could never be them and go back to the things they were doing before.

 

[Black Hans]

Its hard to step your game up when police are being directed to harass you and your schools are understaffed and underfunded

Theres a lot of systematic issues too

But I agree theres a lot of cultural shyt that needs to be fixed and that can only come from within

Its like going to the Middle East and trying to get those motherfukkers to stop killing each other. Its actually very similar, because a lot of shyt going on there (Israel, Iran) is the result of our own doing, but being continued and perpetuated by the people there

It's more of an inferiority complex and containing oneself within the boundaries of that which your oppressor has created for you. I know that many of us have been indoctrinated into accepting this nonsense and pretty much accept the role given to us to avoid conflict, but at the end of the day, we still have the power of choice. Also, a lot of the issues are exaggerated and enforced into accepting it as the general way by black people themselves. Much of this is driven by the need to be validated by outsiders. A good start would be to stop giving a damn about them b/c it's too many people in this country that think that way and at the end of the day, whether non-blacks hate/condescend us or not, we still have to show and prove our abilities to the world. If we focused more on honing are own talents and overcoming personal challenges, as well as instilling these traits into our children and let them understand that conflict is inevitable so it's no point of conceding to make things less painful, it would be a 180 degree mindset in the black community and the black race in general.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I mean the fact that there are kids in rich neighborhoods still embracing thuggery shows you can literally do everything in the world for people, but ultimately some will make the choices to screw themselves over

Largely I think, because its the easy way out... bucking the status quo, doing what you want when you want rather than playing by the rules and doing things you don't necessarily want to do, being more easily accepted, having a clear + easily defined identity ("im a street nigguh"), theres def a lot of reasons I can see why people do it, though that doesn't make it right.

That there are people who make it out w/resources available to anybody within suggests there is def an element of choice, but still, you cant discount the factors of environment's influence on the choices people make

 

[88m3]

Whats wrong with living in the hood?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

A lot of hoods are actually not bad, but I wouldnt want to live in Mott Haven or East NY for example

Last time I was in ENY there were some dudes loading a stolen car either on or off of a tractor trailer

There is a crime threshold that I think warrants not moving into a neighborhood... unfortunately those are the neighborhoods that need the most help

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Thing is, it's not far fetched for middle class black folks to move to the hood given the gentrification. So it's ok for cac hipsters to live in the gutta but if a successful black man were to move to Southeast DC and open some businesses and live in the community he a damn fool? I brought up SE because I've got a distant relative that owns gas stations all over the southside and he's more than wealthy enough to put those stations in more safe areas.

If anything, the rampant gentrification is the perfect opportunity for upper class black folks to invest in these damaged communities. It's honestly my dream to see young black professionals diversify the tax base of inner city communities. There's obviously gonna be growing pains, but better to go through that than to let whole communities get shunted into the outskirts like old cattle.

 

[ogc163]

Thing is, it's not far fetched for middle class black folks to move to the hood given the gentrification. So it's ok for cac hipsters to live in the gutta but if a successful black man were to move to Southeast DC and open some businesses and live in the community he a damn fool? I brought up SE because I've got a distant relative that owns gas stations all over the southside and he's more than wealthy enough to put those stations in more safe areas.

If anything, the rampant gentrification is the perfect opportunity for upper class black folks to invest in these damaged communities. It's honestly my dream to see young black professionals diversify the tax base of inner city communities. There's obviously gonna be growing pains, but better to go through that than to let whole communities get shunted into the outskirts like old cattle.

Thing is when Black folks move on up they often move into middle class Black neighborhoods,so they are still living around Black people. A person who lived in the South Bronx is more likely to move to Co-Op City or Riverdale rather than say the Upper West Side.