Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread

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What are you doing locally?

Tryna keep Menendez above water with Jersey leftists that might fall for the "destroy and replace" rhetoric of certain pundits. I've donated to handful of competitive elections (Gillum, AOC, Beto) besides the ones specific to local Jersey politics as well.

How does this relate to discussing electoral strategy short and long term though? All I'm saying is, we're completely capable of looking at the moves potential presidential candidates are making AND looking at the current congressional elections simultaneously. It's weird to pretend otherwise, especially when it's the official Bernie Sanders thread and his recent moves point to another presidential run.
 

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Tryna keep Menendez above water with Jersey leftists that might fall for the "destroy and replace" rhetoric of certain pundits. I've donated to handful of competitive elections (Gillum, AOC, Beto) besides the ones specific to local Jersey politics as well.

How does this relate to discussing electoral strategy short and long term though? All I'm saying is, we're completely capable of looking at the moves potential presidential candidates are making AND looking at the current congressional elections simultaneously. It's weird to pretend otherwise, especially when it's the official Bernie Sanders thread and his recent moves point to another presidential run.
Because you said you can walk and chew gum at the same time.

I want to make sure you are. :ehh:

Now back to the original quote:

It finally really feels like he's gearing up to run...a lotta centrists are gonna be really mad and a lot of conspiracy theories are about to be drawn to drop and slow him down.

Centrists, moderates, etc are focused on the midterms. And the success of the midterms will likely have a larger impact on the direction the parties goes more so than conspiracy theories.

Painting party members as the enemy during a very. Important midterm is stupid.
 

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Because you said you can walk and chew gum at the same time.

I want to make sure you are. :ehh:

Now back to the original quote:



Centrists, moderates, etc are focused on the midterms. And the success of the midterms will likely have a larger impact on the direction the parties goes more so than conspiracy theories.


Painting party members as the enemy during a very. Important midterm is stupid.

Oh I see, so that :umad: was projection. I was making a joke about Nap (that goes back to his "Jane Sanders is committing fraud" freak out thread). Relax, @jayshiggs can tell you that when the discussion gets serious, I cape for voting blue and moving the Dems left from within by building up a strong progressive caucus. I figured everyone would know who I was referencing since I'd made a similar joke a couple of posts before.
 
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White House anti-socialism report inadvertently makes a case for single-payer

They try so hard to spin against this ish...

Earlier today, the White House released a paper titled “The Opportunity Costs of Socialism.” Weirdly, it contains a chart that actually makes a pretty decent argument for single-payer health care.

The chart compares wait times for seniors in countries like Canada, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, and the United States. It purports to show that seniors in single-payer countries wait much longer than those here in the United States.
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It all looks pretty clear cut: Places like Canada and Norway have long wait times in their single-payer systems, whereas we here in the United States have very short wait times.


Except, here’s the key thing it leaves out: America’s seniors are essentially in a single-payer system. The vast majority of Americans over 65 get coverage through Medicare, a government-run health care plan.


And Medicare operates in a way that is incredibly similar to the Canadian health care system. Both of them set prices for all sorts of medical procedures and let patients see a wide array of doctors.

It is true that the Canadian health care system does struggle with wait times. When you read through international research, you routinely see that it has some of the longest wait times in the developed world.

But it is also true that this isn’t a fundamental feature of a single-payer health care system. If you hop across the border and look at our own Medicare program, you see that it’s actually possible to build a single-payer system with short wait times. Most of it just depends on how much you pay doctors; higher pay is going to entice more professionals into the medical space.

And if you really want to compare wait times from the United States to other single-payer countries, you should probably look more broadly at our wait times — not just comparing seniors in our two countries, but comparing the entire population. And, luckily, the Commonwealth Fund publishes a report that does just that!


What is says — and I’ll dive into the numbers in a moment — is that American wait times look a lot worse when you add in all the people with private insurance or no insurance at all. Instead of having the shortest wait times, we’re more like middle of the pack.


This all means that the people in Medicare, our government-run program, are doing just fine on waits. But the people who have to shop for coverage in the private market? They’re waiting longer.

What exactly does middle of the pack mean? Here are a few data points from that report I mentioned:

  • Fifty-one percent of Americans say they are able to get a same-day appointment with a doctor when they are sick, compared to 43 percent of Canadians and 57 percent of Brits.
  • Canada does better than the United States when it comes to access to after-hours care. (63 percent of Canadians say it’s easy to access, compared to 51 percent of Americans.)
  • Canada does worse than us on wait times for specialists. (30 percent of Canadians say they’ve waited more than two months to see a specialist, compared to 6 percent of Americans.)
  • There is one metric where the United States does worse than all its peers: We have more people experiencing cost-related barriers to getting care than citizens of other high-income countries.
All these figures and data points tell me that the Trump chart doesn’t say what the White House seems to think it says. It isn’t telling us that single-payer health care has long wait times. If anything, it says that it is possible to build a single-payer system with short wait times — and our Medicare program has already done it.
 

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Bernie: Midterms Show Many Whites Made ‘Uncomfortable’ Voting for Black Candidates

Bernie Sanders on Andrew Gillium and Stacey Abrams: Many Whites Made ‘Uncomfortable’ Voting for Black Candidates
The progressive leader says Democratic senators who lost in GOP states should’ve been more like Beto O’Rourke, and that race may be responsible for near-misses in the South.

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Democratic officials woke Wednesday morning searching for answers as to why the party was unable to win several marquee Senate and gubernatorial races the night before.

But for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) the explanation was simple. The candidates who underperformed weren’t progressive enough; those who didn’t shy away from progressivism were undone, in part, by “racist” attacks.

“I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,” Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia and that ads run against the two. “I think next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that.”


Sanders wasn’t speaking as a mere observer but, rather, as someone who had invested time and reputation on many of the midterm contests. The Vermonter, who is potentially considering another bid for the presidency in 2020, mounted an aggressive campaign travel schedule over the past few months and endorsed both Abrams and Gillum. He also has a personal political investment in the notion that unapologetic, authentic progressive populism can be sold throughout the country and not just in states and districts that lean left.

Surveying the victories and the carnage of Tuesday’s results, Sanders framed it as a vindication of that vision. The candidates who performed well even in loss, he said, offered positive progressive views for the future of their states, including Gillum, Abrams, and Texas Democratic Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke. Those who were heavily defeated, Sanders said, didn’t galvanize young voters, people of color, and typically non-active voters.

“I think you got to contrast that to the votes of conservative Democrats who did not generate a great deal of excitement within the Democratic Party,” Sanders said, alluding to a host of Senate Democrats who lost re-election on Tuesday night. “Did not bring the kind of new people, new energy that they needed and ended up doing quite poorly. In admittedly difficult states. Missouri and Indiana are not easy states, but neither is Florida or Georgia or Texas.”

“You look at Beto O’Rourke. Running in you know, what is generally considered to be a red state,” Sanders added, in some of his first remarks on the Texas Democrat. “Enormous excitement. Enormous citizen participation, young people participation. Broke the bank in terms of small contributions that he got. Came within a hair of winning in Texas.”


Sanders’ explanation for Tuesday’s results is not universally shared among Democratic Party strategists, who have cited state demographics and fears of immigration as more determinative to the outcomes than a candidate’s progressive bona fides.

Senate Republicans built on their narrow majority with a net pickup of three seats on Tuesday, with a possible fourth in Florida, pending an anticipated recount. In the states Sanders referenced specifically, Indiana and Missouri, incumbent Senators Joe Donnelly (D-IN) and Claire McCaskill did close their campaigns by tacking to the middle and emphasizing their agreements with President Trump (all while still running on protecting insurers’ coverage pre-existing conditions). But one top Senate strategist insisted to The Daily Beast that their doing so actually kept the contests closer than they could have been.

Sanders, by contrast, credited Abrams with a “brilliant campaign” for her efforts to bring non-active Democratic voters into the electoral process. He marvelled at O’Rourke’s fundraising prowess, which allowed the Texas Democrat to raise $38 million in the third quarter of this year—the largest of any Senate candidate in history—and earn more than 48 percent of the vote against incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). And he noted that Gillum helped generate turnout that led to the successful passing of Amendment 4, which will restore voting rights to 1.5 million convicted felons in Florida.

“I think he’s a fantastic politician in the best sense of the word,” Sanders said of Gillum. “He stuck to his guns in terms of a progressive agenda. I think he ran a great campaign. And he had to take on some of the most blatant and ugly racism that we have seen in many, many years. And yet he came within a whisker of winning.”

As for the notion that race may have played a role in Abrams’ and Gillum’s defeats, the two did face racist robocalls in the campaign and Gillum’s opponent, soon-to-be Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, began his campaign by urging voters not to “monkey this up” by voting for his opponent.

The narrow losses did nothing to dissuade Sanders that he, or anyone else competing as a Democratic candidate for president in 2020, should write off perennial tricky states in the South, including Texas, a state that he believes could go blue in two years. “And let me tell you something else,” Sanders added. “I think the day is going to come sooner than later when states like Mississippi are going to become progressive states.”


















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he just released this statement to clean up this bullshyt :mjlol:

 

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I really hope Bernie doesn't win. If he doesn't have the courage to join the democrats, he doesn't deserve the support of the party, nor does he deserve to lead it.

Hopefully his success is limited to actually passing SOMETHING in congress.

His time to deliver is approaching.
 

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Americans Maintain a Positive View of Bernie Sanders

As the centrists seem to be back on their "Bernie doesn't speak to PoC" and "Bernie is out of touch" kick...here's a nice bit of info to keep in mind, Sanders polls strongest with younger voters (18-54) and PoC. It's old white people that are his biggest problem.

Sanders' ratings are mixed among whites, with nearly half viewing him favorably and half unfavorably. But, consistent with their more Democratic political orientation, nearly two in three nonwhites (64%) have a positive view of Sanders.

Majorities of U.S. adults aged 18 to 34 (59%) and 35 to 54 (58%) view Sanders favorably, while his image is about mixed among Americans over the age of 55.
 

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