THE PSA: Blaming hip hop

[Greenstrings]

Yall STILL dont understand that media propaganda is i tool of white supremacy

Your view on this is utterly myopic. The media is a drop in the ocean compared to the centuries of cultural indoctrination and reinforced prejudice. That is the foundational structure of white supremacy, that is what informs the media's treatment of black people, not the grotesqueries and violence of certain strains of hip-hop culture Black people got horrible press long before hip-hop was a thing and that would have been the case regardless. Yet you're hung up on what is essentially a perfunctory symptom of our history and its global consumption.

They're happy to use that as an excuse and for whatever reason it seems you're happy to give them permission.

 

[user1]

The number isn't as high as it should be but it's moving in the right direction.

Do these college stats include community colleges? And do they express who finishes with a degree and not just who enrolls? Pulling random stats and charts without background isn't tell tale of anything except you know how to use google. I agree with what @PhonZhi has stated in here. And a few others. @PhonZhi and @Truth200

 

[PhonZhi]

Your view on this is utterly myopic. The media is a drop in the ocean compared to the centuries of cultural indoctrination and reinforced prejudice. That is the foundational structure of white supremacy, that is what informs the media's treatment of black people, not the grotesqueries and violence of certain strains of hip-hop culture Black people got horrible press long before hip-hop was a thing and that would have been the case regardless. Yet you're hung up on what is essentially a perfunctory symptom of our history and its global consumption.

They're happy to use that as an excuse and for whatever reason it seems you're happy to give them permission.

you are right, but NOBODY is saying that rap is the CAUSE of anything or high on the list of things that's been used to oppress us. I dont understand why you all keep thinking that. Again, our problems started waaaay before hiphop existed. I have said that sooo many times. But to sit up here and dismiss the influence of rap as "just entertainment" is flat out ignorance. Alot of youth look up to these rappers as role models. Believe that or not, but ive worked in a youth detention center. The influence is real. todays rap promotes nothing but negativity and hate towards other black people. And its controlled by old white/jewish people. How you all dont have a problem with this is amazing.

 

[philmonroe]

online or not, i dont talk tough like alotta cats. I behave here like i would if we was conversing in real life

I never talk tough either. In a non professional setting I'd say everything I'm saying now to you . Same way I talk to friends I talk to dudes on here no difference.

 

[PhonZhi]

Do these college stats include community colleges? And do they express who finishes with a degree and not just who enrolls? Pulling random stats and charts without background isn't tell tale of anything except you know how to use google. I agree with what @PhonZhi has stated in here. And a few others. @PhonZhi and @Truth200

Another cat that's awaken from the matrix

 

[philmonroe]

Do these college stats include community colleges? And do they express who finishes with a degree and not just who enrolls? Pulling random stats and charts without background isn't tell tale of anything except you know how to use google. I agree with what @PhonZhi has stated in here. And a few others. @PhonZhi and @Truth200

Another Oreo in the mix if you agreeing with them dudes. Might as well apply to work at Fox News they love cats like y'all there

 

[Greenstrings]

you are right, but NOBODY is saying that rap is the CAUSE of anything or high on the list of things that's been used to oppress us. I dont understand why you all keep thinking that. Again, our problems started waaaay before hiphop existed. I have said that sooo many times. But to sit up here and dismiss the influence of rap as "just entertainment" is flat out ignorance. Alot of youth look up to these rappers as role models. Believe that or not, but ive worked in a youth detention center. The influence is real. todays rap promotes nothing but negativity and hate towards other black people. And its controlled by old white/jewish people. How you all dont have a problem with this is amazing.

You're doing that same thing again and its frustrating to continue going in circles. This is exactly how white supremacy functions in the minds of black people.

You're using youth that commit felonies as a baseline to define all black youth and their interaction with hip-hop when nobody makes such assertions about the youth of other races. You're essentially implying that there's something endemic to black people that makes us more susceptible to the influence of entertainment.

Without realising it you're propagating the myth of black inferiority by constantly holding us in our entirety to our lowest common denominator.

Problematizing culture and entertainment is what people do when they can't see the forest for the trees. When they can't see that whatever influence hip-hop has isn't the issue; The social structures it is occasionally left to stand in for are. Even then this influence is completely superficial in relation to the forces that actually do shape people's experiences like household stability, quality of education and community resources.

I'm part of a youth program and we talk to them about the music they listen to, the shows they watch, the culture they consume and how they feel about it. They're invariably passionate about it as that's what feels real to them. It validates their experiences. Who am I then to tell them not to identify with music that reflects the nihilism of their lives and prospects? Who am I to deny them that avenue of expression and rebellion? If I can't change their surroundings how can I expect them to not bond over the best of what they can make of it?

Nah, I'll never ask anybody to apologise for hip hop and I won't myself. This is how they flip the narrative and tell us the onus is on black people to change when they rig the parts of the game that really matter and watch the wealth gap increase.

I don't expect you to agree with me on all this but I need you to see that at every turn here in describing the minority that are negatively influenced by hip-hop you have used no qualification and tarred everybody with the same brush. That probably isn't intentional but it needs to stop. This debate is pointless if were going to eschew any sense of scale and use the same white supremacist rhetoric that we're trying to fight.

 

[PhonZhi]

You're essentially implying that there's something endemic to black people that makes us more susceptible to the influence of entertainment.

You make great points and its refreshing to debate with cats who dont get emotional and start name-calling and cursing *cough @philmonroe *cough and you're right, topics like this tend to go on forever in circles. Now, to this point right here. Yes, ive actually said many times that certain young black youth IS in fact more susceptible to certain forms of "entertainment" such as rap music. I believe this 100%. What makes this music so effective and influential is the fact that these rappers LOOK like them and also come from the same conditions and backgrounds. Little Billy doesnt see HIMSELF in *insert generic rapper name*, but Little Jamal does. Its human nature to gravitate and see yourself more in somebody that has the same skin color and background as you. Little Chinese kids relate to and see THEMSELVES in Yao Ming & Jeremy Lin compared to a Kobe or a LeBron. They see those 2 make it and think to themselves "i can one day make the NBA too". Black players dont influence and inspire them the same way as seeing those 2players with the same skin color and background does. The main thing that fuels my point of view is my belief that hiphop was PURPOSELY manipulated by "the powers that be" from an uplifting and motivating genre to the hateful, violent poison that floods the airwaves today. They saw how influential hiphop had become in the early 90's and was like "we can use this music as a brainwashing tool to KEEP them under further control". I believe that 100%. Now if you dont believe that then we might as well agree to disagree because there's really nothing that i can say to change your mind and vice-versa. Here's a short clip explaining this "manipulation" of hiphop:

 

[10:31]

Social gaming rules

Social gaming rules in entertainment existed well before Hip Hop/Rap and played a critical role in creating a unique condition in which people interfaced with each other. There is no causal relationship between the impact media (specifically Hip Hop music -> consumer) has on the unemployment rate, prison rate, health care, entrepreneurship (job creation).

We've literally posted raw stats throughout the thread that show no relation between Hip Hop and those variables I just listed. To @PhonZhi & @Truth200 credit mainstream hip hop today is not what started out in the park with graffiti, break dancing, freestyles, and party music with African drum

Where these two brothers tail off is they fail to acknowledge WHO co-opted mainstream hip hop and what their agenda was when they did it. The majority of the thread has tried tirelessly to open their mind to what continues to go on today.

Capitalism, white fear, deflection & projection are the biggest contributors for the destructive messages that are perpetuated over and over again to the masses. The irony here is the number one consumer of the crap is WHITE PEOPLE.

White people (white corporations) have managed to dilute an art form and use it for the purpose of propaganda (and profits) to justify their fears. None of the images in entertainment are based on reality.

This is reverse engineering at it's finest.

All hip hop or any of it isn't to blame. The owners of the genre have turned a culture into a cash cow. If you want to blame hip hop look no further than the power players who run Hip Hop.

You make great points and its refreshing to debate with cats who dont get emotional and start name-calling and cursing *cough @philmonroe *cough and you're right, topics like this tend to go on forever in circles. Now, to this point right here. Yes, ive actually said many times that certain young black youth IS in fact more susceptible to certain forms of "entertainment" such as rap music. I believe this 100%. What makes this music so effective and influential is the fact that these rappers LOOK like them and also come from the same conditions and backgrounds. Little Billy doesnt see HIMSELF in *insert generic rapper name*, but Little Jamal does. Its human nature to gravitate and see yourself more in somebody that has the same skin color and background as you. Little Chinese kids relate to and see THEMSELVES in Yao Ming & Jeremy Lin compared to a Kobe or a LeBron. They see those 2 make it and think to themselves "i can one day make the NBA too". Black players dont influence and inspire them the same way as seeing those 2players with the same skin color and background does. The main thing that fuels my point of view is my belief that hiphop was PURPOSELY manipulated by "the powers that be" from an uplifting and motivating genre to the hateful, violent poison that floods the airwaves today. They saw how influential hiphop had become in the early 90's and was like "we can use this music as a brainwashing tool to KEEP them under further control". I believe that 100%. Now if you dont believe that then we might as well agree to disagree because there's really nothing that i can say to change your mind and vice-versa. Here's a short clip explaining this "manipulation" of hiphop:

A brainwashing tool by whom?

Who are the number one consumers again?

Whites are trying to convince themselves that their fears of black america are a reality but that isn't reality all black kids don't listen to hip hop and aren't labeled thugs

You can't have opinions like "it's a brainwashing tool" and use a random Wise Intelligent video to support your claim..

Where are the peer read studies that show you hip hop is a brain washing tool for the negro?

 

[philmonroe]

You make great points and its refreshing to debate with cats who dont get emotional and start name-calling and cursing *cough @philmonroe *cough and you're right, topics like this tend to go on forever in circles. Now, to this point right here. Yes, ive actually said many times that certain young black youth IS in fact more susceptible to certain forms of "entertainment" such as rap music. I believe this 100%. What makes this music so effective and influential is the fact that these rappers LOOK like them and also come from the same conditions and backgrounds. Little Billy doesnt see HIMSELF in *insert generic rapper name*, but Little Jamal does. Its human nature to gravitate and see yourself more in somebody that has the same skin color and background as you. Little Chinese kids relate to and see THEMSELVES in Yao Ming & Jeremy Lin compared to a Kobe or a LeBron. They see those 2 make it and think to themselves "i can one day make the NBA too". Black players dont influence and inspire them the same way as seeing those 2players with the same skin color and background does. The main thing that fuels my point of view is my belief that hiphop was PURPOSELY manipulated by "the powers that be" from an uplifting and motivating genre to the hateful, violent poison that floods the airwaves today. They saw how influential hiphop had become in the early 90's and was like "we can use this music as a brainwashing tool to KEEP them under further control". I believe that 100%. Now if you dont believe that then we might as well agree to disagree because there's really nothing that i can say to change your mind and vice-versa. Here's a short clip explaining this "manipulation" of hiphop:

You not above it or you wouldn't even mention my name in this post. You're an online fraud FOH and answer that thread that you know people tagged you in.

 

[sean998]

Hip Hop doesn't institutionally discriminate in every walk of life.
Hip Hop doesn't statistically make a black college graduate get almost the same chance of getting a job as a white high schooler
Hip Hop didn't ruin the rising black middle class with predatory loans like subprime mortgages
Hip Hop didn't ruin black families with the cycle of war on drugs.
Hip Hop didn't force moms to work three minimum wage jobs & still barely able to make rent
Hip Hop don't continuously cut funding from public schools & put money on the prison industry complex in every state for years now.
Dismantling the very foundation of any chance of upward mobility.

But let's blame the art form & pretend if it's banned, our issues will magically go away. No, let's blame the white politicians who cut 28 million dollars in Baltimore public schools & sanctioned 30 million on youth detention centers in the city, for a change.

 

[10:31]

Hip Hop doesn't institutionally discriminate in every walk of life.
Hip Hop doesn't statistically make a black college graduate get almost the same chance of getting a job as a white high schooler
Hip Hop didn't ruin the rising black middle class with predatory loans like subprime mortgages
Hip Hop didn't ruin black families with the cycle of war on drugs.
Hip Hop didn't force moms to work three minimum wage jobs & still barely able to make rent
Hip Hop don't continuously cut funding from public schools & put money on the prison industry complex in every state for years now.
Dismantling the very foundation of any chance of upward mobility.

But let's blame the art form & pretend if it's banned, our issues will magically go away. No, let's blame the white politicians who cut 28 million dollars in Baltimore public schools & sanctioned 30 million on youth detention centers in the city, for a change.

Ding



Because white feel guilty about their savagery and barbaric rule for 400 years I'm supposed to believe the narrative they market and produce in black face to make themselves feel better about all they've attained from rioting and barbic behavior?


You mean you're on the news talking about CVS matters and look at these thugs but aren't talking about the hedge fund investors at G Sachs ? Or how silly big brother programs created by Barry create no public policy to change hundreds of years of systemic racist policies but you want me to


Worry about Ja Rule and Sway not having the answers ?

 

[PhonZhi]

Ding



Because white feel guilty about their savagery and barbaric rule for 400 years I'm supposed to believe the narrative they market and produce in black face to make themselves feel better about all they've attained from rioting and barbic behavior?


You mean you're on the news talking about CVS matters and look at these thugs but aren't talking about the hedge fund investors at G Sachs ? Or how silly big brother programs created by Barry create no public policy to change hundreds of years of systemic racist policies but you want me to


Worry about Ja Rule and Sway not having the answers ?

so you dont think its a part of the bigger problem like you stated earlier? Has your views changed that fast from earlier in this thread?

 

[PhonZhi]

Hip Hop doesn't institutionally discriminate in every walk of life.
Hip Hop doesn't statistically make a black college graduate get almost the same chance of getting a job as a white high schooler
Hip Hop didn't ruin the rising black middle class with predatory loans like subprime mortgages
Hip Hop didn't ruin black families with the cycle of war on drugs.
Hip Hop didn't force moms to work three minimum wage jobs & still barely able to make rent
Hip Hop don't continuously cut funding from public schools & put money on the prison industry complex in every state for years now.
Dismantling the very foundation of any chance of upward mobility.

But let's blame the art form & pretend if it's banned, our issues will magically go away. No, let's blame the white politicians who cut 28 million dollars in Baltimore public schools & sanctioned 30 million on youth detention centers in the city, for a change.

more defending music that promotes a destructive lifestyle to the black youth.Yall are truly amazing

 

[mrken12]

He's STILL going.