THE PSA: Blaming hip hop

[10:31]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/he-is-like-god-to-birdman-slim-diddy-and-jay-z.273510/

I knew you had it in you

Now post that picture here and give me that execs name

 

[Truth200]

do you think the music helped or hurt the situation?

I love how you ask questions that you already know the answers to....

 

[Barnett114]

Crazy how people not in Chicago know about specific gang problems dealing with those specific people.

How LA's shooters weren't even rappers.

 

[10:31]

Crazy how people not in Chicago know about specific gang problems dealing with those specific people.

How LA's shooters weren't even rappers.

Dudes would rather try and hold a serious convo based on here say and opinions than have a discussion rooted in facts


Only on the Coli

 

[No_bammer_weed]

More useless charts and statistics

Of course they're "useless", because you dont want to have to be responsible for making an adult argument and backing up what you say..

But whats ironic here...

Is that you say hip hop trains black people to view other black people negatively and reject positivity about themselves and their fellow brotha..

And yet when we post statistics reflecting positive movement from our black youth you get upset, and dont want to talk about it...

Hmmm...

Rising graduation rates and falling crime rates among black youth makes you upset. Maybe you're on to something about black folks suffering from self hate, and secretly hoping for the downfall of their fellow brotha.

 

[10:31]

Of course they're "useless", because you dont want to have to be responsible for making an adult argument and backing up what you say..

But whats ironic here...

Is that you say hip hop trains black people to view other black people negatively and reject positivity about themselves and their fellow brotha..

And yet when we post statistics reflecting positive movement from our black youth you get upset, and dont want to talk about it...

Hmmm...

Rising graduation rates and falling crime rates among black youth makes you upset. Maybe you're on to something about black folks suffering from self hate, and secretly hoping for the downfall of their fellow brotha.

@PhonZhi are you employed by FOXnews? You interface like Bill O'Reily... Your arguments and line of reasoning to support your claims ignore facts.

No casual effect between hip hop music and the unemployment rate in minority communities...

 

[Digga38]

Whose incentivizing them too?

Are they all making songs about killing each other, if not what kind of promotion do those other (positive) records get in comparison ?

Who employs the end users who are making the songs? Surely the songs have to be propagated and marketed in the mainstream to have the impact you claim they do...

Leave my thread brother

The record labels employ them is this a trick question

 

[Truth200]

Of course they're "useless", because you dont want to have to be responsible for making an adult argument and backing up what you say..

But whats ironic here...

Is that you say hip hop trains black people to view other black people negatively and reject positivity about themselves and their fellow brotha..

And yet when we post statistics reflecting positive movement from our black youth you get upset, and dont want to talk about it...

Hmmm...

Rising graduation rates and falling crime rates among black youth makes you upset. Maybe you're on to something about black folks suffering from self hate, and secretly hoping for the downfall of their fellow brotha.

funny you say that...

When i posted a chart on page 2 of this thread to explain why crime rates have dropped during the hip hop generation you ignored it.

but the fact that crime has plummeted during the hip hop generation doesnt lend any empirical validity to what the anti-hip hop crowd keeps yappin about.

Bottom line is Hip Hop culture is being used to fuel the prison industrial complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

 

[10:31]

The record labels employ them is this a trick question

Not at all but at least you answered. It's like the truth isn't even hidden it's right in front of your face

It's the labels and the record company staff

Don't you all remember the Bobby Scmurda video when he's literally dancing on top of tables in a room full of execs...

The artists are literally auditioning for the propaganda machine

You can't just blame the music when it's literally just a piece of a problem

 

[PhonZhi]

You can't just blame the music when it's literally just a piece of a problem

Hold on so u mean to tell me that after everything you've said throughout this thread, youre basicly saying the same thing we've been sayin this whole time? That hiphop is a PART of the overall problem. Thats exactly my point in every thread and post i make!!. Im done with yall.

 

[PhonZhi]

@Cbanks36 Did u really think me or anyone else here is saying "rap is making blacks kill each other"? No, Its apart of an overall bigger system. Now HERE'S where we may disagree. I personally believe that hiphop was PURPOSELY changed from positive and uplifting to the filth we see and hear today to dumb the minds of our people.











If u dont believe that then we'll just agree to disagree because there's really nothin we can say to each other to change the others mind

 

[PhonZhi]

IM upset?


Have u already forgotten the fury you displayed a few pages ago?

Good Grief!

SHUT THE FUKK UP!!!!

 

[Londilon]

Oh rap is the problem?

I would like you to jail Iggy Azeala first.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

funny you say that...

When i posted a chart on page 2 of this thread to explain why crime rates have dropped during the hip hop generation you ignored it.



Bottom line is Hip Hop culture is being used to fuel the prison industrial complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

You cant just make claims and want them to be true. Nothing about your theory makes sense.

For starters, incarceration rates havent been concomitant with crime rates for a couple of decades. In other words the sharp rise in people being jailed has had little to no effect on crime since the 80s. In economic terms the law of diminishing returns was hit in around the 1980s. The link provided explains the theory well (number 1)

Furthermore, the Brennan Center concluded that the rising incarceration rates through the 1980s had already locked up the truly violent criminals, and the point of diminishing returns was hit even before the crime rate started to fall.

http://www.vox.com/2015/2/13/8032231/crime-drop

And even going by your graph, your theory doesnt make sense if we're using hip hop as the casual factor. We see the incarceration rates explode in the 80s...a time when hip hop was harmless party music, and had very little hold on black america. How do you explain this? And during the "golden era", when the art was at the height of social consciousness, (late 80s/early 90s) the incarceration rates are exploding even more and on a clear upward trajectory that has already been established.

If your theory is the content of hip hop is any sort of influence then your theory ends here, because the incarceration rates were on a sharp upward tick before hip hop was even much of a thing. There is no logic to your claim.

And if you're still not convinced look at the graph even further...you see the incarceration rate starts to decline in the mid-2000s...and its been dropping quite rapidly in the last couple of years. At a time when you are blaming hip hop for our ills, the incarceration rates are going the opposite way your theory would insist it should go.

 

[Nomad1]

funny you say that...

When i posted a chart on page 2 of this thread to explain why crime rates have dropped during the hip hop generation you ignored it.



Bottom line is Hip Hop culture is being used to fuel the prison industrial complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

that little graph don't prove shyt