THE PSA: Blaming hip hop

[PhonZhi]

I agree hip hop can be a tool of empowerment but if we don't control it (which is stupid and infuriating) and use it wisely to put out messages in that vein then what are you pushing? You're pushing a mindset that can be detrimental/harmful to those not ready to hear those false tall tales and messages. I've read "its just entertainment/ who would take what a rapper says seriously" on here many times when that point is brought up but people do take these rappers as role models and are influenced by there words/actions as a result. They get so used to hearing certain messages and don't want to hear any other even if its good for them because they've been conditioned to hear garbage. You can fool yourself but you can't conceal the effects it has on the youth in reality because their way of dress, talking and thinking is a reflection of hip hop even in its most minor degree. And that's not even getting into the propaganda aspect of how it shapes our image to outsiders. My brother used to listen to all kind of rap but when he started his family, he wanted to give me his stuff because he didn't want to raise his child listening to and emulating these "entertainers."

And while those questions are pertinent, answer this. Is hip hop contributing to the problems we as a group face? You can't say without doubt that it does not. So, retool it to be productive or throw it into trash bin of history. Its intention has to match its purpose.

 

[PhonZhi]

Hip hop isn't to blame, but it is providing a nice distraction from the real problems and the people controlling it do understand that keeping people blind is the way to go.

thank you This is one of those "underlying affects" that this culture has on us. I keep telling cats its waaaay deeper than just crime and drug stats. Yall can post all the pie charts yall want but the affect is felt way deeper. While we busy "turning up" and spending our money on European fashion designers and the trendiest alcohols and cars that these rappers promote, the people REALLY running shyt are laughing and looking at us like the fools we are. And their biggest laugh is coming from the fact that we actually call this music about our own genocide....."entertainment"

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Yall STAY typing novels but never touch on the fact that this type of negative, hate-filled music is ONLY directed at the black youth. I NEVER hear songs in the mainstream from white artists alluding to "move that dope" or "ima send bullets through ya car door". Sure, there's some raunchy lyrics every now and then but for the most part "white" radio is clean and positive. Meanwhile, on top40 radio is songs about cooking up cocaine and shooting black men. Yall STAY side-stepping this fact. And you also didnt mention how this culture is playing a part in our OWN self-hate.

Good Grief!

SHUT THE FUKK UP!!!!

what the fukk is white radio????

Is the average white male teenager who watches porn on the internet, game of thrones, sons of anarchy, R rated movies, and plays Call of duty somehow only listening to this imaginary "white radio station" that only plays songs about unicorns and candy canes????

Are you allergic to logic? Are you autistic? Are you just a troll? The average white teenager listens to the same shyt the black one does...there is no law dictating who listens to what.

And you have the nerve to talk all this shyt, when you yourself listen to hip hop radio? What is your deal???

And Im sorry, but I dont consider black teenagers to be retards.

They know Pharell, Pusha T, and future are not drug dealers, just like people dont think Tom Cruise is actually shooting up aliens in edge of tommorrow.

Black teenagers listen to ratchet music, they mature, and then they grow out of it and move on as adults.

Wish you would grow up and move on from this dumb ass agenda of yours...I guess you're behind the curve when it comes to maturity.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

@PhonZhi , @ModernFonzie & others Ya should know by now that the majority of the coli consist of dumb ass nikkas that take everything you say literal instead of dissecting what your saying and looking at the factors , You guys obviously aren't saying Hip Hop is the sole reason for the destruction of the black community there were stick up kids & drugs prior to all lat (If anything if you look at the inception of hip hop , hip hop is the result of all that if you wanna get technical ) , but leave it too dumb ass nikkas on the coli to misconstrue your words and twist it knowing damn well that wasn't what ya intentions were when making those original statement about hip hop and black community . Exactly why I'm starting more and more to refrain myself from debating about topics like these because it's like talking to my 3 year old brother .

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

Anyways , one statement I will make is that the current climate of hip hop is adding fuel to the already burning fire in our community . I'm not even going to waste my energy and go into depth ya could interpret it how ya please ...

 

[Alan Emerald]

breh get the fukk outta here

For what reason? What in my statment prompted your response?

 

[10:31]

Did anybody read the study I attached on the first page?

Get the name calling out of here and let's really debate the issue

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

For what reason? What in my statment prompted your response?

foreigners have a better grasp of hip hop than black americans? are you kidding me breh?


you damn near need to be smacked in the mouth for that breh

 

[Malta]

I've made the same points that @Washington_Red made when this topic frequently shows its face, and its the fact statistical evidence fails to support the claim that hip hop is a verifiable negative for black youth. Almost all important metrics when it comes to black youth are moving in the right direction. A serious study hasnt established a relationship either way, but the fact that crime has plummeted during the hip hop generation doesnt lend any empirical validity to what the anti-hip hop crowd keeps yappin about..

That's not entirely true fam, HS graduation rates and college rates for black males are declining, while increasing for women. So while crimes may be going down, the dumbing down of our youth is definitely taking place.

 

[PhonZhi]

Good Grief!

SHUT THE FUKK UP!!!!

The anger that these threads bring out of yall. I love it. Ima keep my foot on yalls necks Mite even make this my sig

 

[Alan Emerald]

foreigners have a better grasp of hip hop than black americans? are you kidding me breh?


you damn near need to be smacked in the mouth for that breh

That isnt what i said or implied. My comment was in reference to dude's comment that most ppl dont kno or care about the elements of hip-hop. Of course many black americans have a grasp on it but at the same time we are posting in a thread where more than a few feel hip-hop and ra are one in the same.

 

[10:31]

1 @PhonZhi

(let's start pulling facts and having an intellectual discussion based off of a study as opposed to personal opinions. Too much name calling and mud slinging for no reason)


CHAPTER 1INTRODUCTIONThe culture industry’s cycle of assumptions is the interaction between the director(culture industry), the author (hip hop artist), and the audience (White consumer). Together the three combine to create ideological outcomes that reflect and reinforce historically negativeWhite racial attitudes.

The director of the culture industry doesn't look like me and you. The owner of TV networks also doesn't look like me and you. You can't blame artists who are no doubt at the lowest end of this minstrel food chain

Commodification of Hip Hop Music

In the same critical view of the Frankfurt School authors, many hip hop intellectuals,Michael Eric Dyson (1996), Patricia Rose (1994, 2008), Todd Boyd (2003), Bakari Kitwana(2002,2005) and Nelson George (1998, 2005), have critiqued the role of the culture industry indistorting hip hop music into a one-dimensional form, commoditized and sold as violent,misogynistic, materialistic, and destructive. The culture industry has limited the representation of hip hop to narrow, negative associations of Blackness, and by “letting commercialized hip hopbecome a nearly constant caricature of gangstas, pimps, and hoes, we’ve come to equate blackpoverty with black street life. This denies and silences a wide range of black urban ghettoexperiences and points of view which venerates predatory street culture” (Rose 2008:139).These limited caricatures of black poverty reinforce Whites’ negative racial attitudes of the Blackculture being inherently dysfunctional and responsible for their own inequality (Schuman, etal1997, Sears, etal 2000, Charles and Bobo 2009, Huddy and Feldman 2009, Rose 2008,Kitwana 2002). The saturation of these images “produces representations that attempt to induceconsent to certain political positions, getting members of the society to see specific ideologiesas ‘the way things are’” (Kellner 1995:59). In other words, the saturation of narrowrepresentations of Blacks as gangstas, pimps, and hoes through commercial hip hop, createsan illusion that what is represented is a seamless extension of the Black reality

So the oppressor (who knows our true history and significance to the world) has found a way to civilize barbaric behavior while showcasing "black" culture directly with barbaric animalistic behavior for the means of flattering themselves and entertaining audiences yet you negros still think the music is the problem

Without the culture industry these little artists music wouldn't be used as a tool to propagate to the masses..

I'm so glad the number one consumer of the minstrel is white folks modern hip hop music is made by the oppressor and for the oppressor

 

[Barnett114]

The number isn't as high as it should be but it's moving in the right direction.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

That's not entirely true fam, HS graduation rates and college rates for black males are declining, while increasing for women. So while crimes may be going down, the dumbing down of our youth is definitely taking place.

Im not sure where you get your statistics brotha, but Im pretty sure the high school graduation rates for black males and corresponding drop out rates have been moving in the right direction during the hip hop generation

In each year from 1990 to 2012, the status dropout rate was lower for Whites than for Blacks and Hispanics. During this period, the rate for Whites declined from 9 to 4 percent; the rate for Blacks declined from 13 to 8 percent; and the rate for Hispanics declined from 32 to 13 percent. As a result, the gap between Whites and Hispanics narrowed from 23 percentage points in 1990 to 8 percentage points in 2012. While the rates for both Whites and Blacks declined during this period, the gap between the rates in 1990 was not measurably different from the gap between the rates in 2012. The White-Black gap did narrow between 2000 and 2012 (from 6 percentage points to 3 percentage points).

And for graduation rates:

U.S. high school students overall are graduating at a rate higher than ever before, and new data from the Department of Education show the same is true for minority students. Nearly every racial and ethnic subgroup has seen a growth in graduation rates that outpaces that of white students – a sign that the achievement gap is incrementally closing.

The graduation rates for black and Hispanic students increased by 3.7 and 4.2 percentage points, respectively, in two years, compared with 2.6 percentage points for white students, the department said Monday. American Indian students, as well as students from low-income backgrounds, those with limited English-language proficiency and students with disabilities saw graduation rates increase at a faster pace than the rate of white students overall, as well as faster than the national average. Only Asian/Pacific Islander students saw slower graduation growth than white students.

@Barnett114 posted some nice graphs as well.

 

[Truth200]

Good Grief!

SHUT THE FUKK UP!!!!

what the fukk is white radio????

Is the average white male teenager who watches porn on the internet, game of thrones, sons of anarchy, R rated movies, and plays Call of duty somehow only listening to this imaginary "white radio station" that only plays songs about unicorns and candy canes????

Are you allergic to logic? Are you autistic? Are you just a troll? The average white teenager listens to the same shyt the black one does...there is no law dictating who listens to what.

And you have the nerve to talk all this shyt, when you yourself listen to hip hop radio? What is your deal???

And Im sorry, but I dont consider black teenagers to be retards.

They know Pharell, Pusha T, and future are not drug dealers, just like people dont think Tom Cruise is actually shooting up aliens in edge of tommorrow.

Black teenagers listen to ratchet music, they mature, and then they grow out of it and move on as adults.

Wish you would grow up and move on from this dumb ass agenda of yours...I guess you're behind the curve when it comes to maturity.

We all know hip hop is just entertainment to cacs nothing more nothing less.

But i could post endless rap videos from Chicago teens with lyrics about killing their rap rivals and then doing it in real life.