The Powerful Nature of our music/ The destructive power of rap

[Master Teacher]

You brought up Oprah, not me. I know she can do what she wants, obviously, I'm asking you why you think she decided to do what she did.

There are many successful black people in America, yeah, I'm saying that there can be a lot more. That's my personal observation/opinion. What's wrong with that? Forget about asians and arabs for a second, look at the Jews. Look at how successful they are despite the fact that they number so little in comparison to everybody else. Is it because they are superior to everybody else?

So far you've done an excellent job saying that rappers are very financially successful, but you haven't done much else. I don't think that was ever a matter of debate in the first place.

I see Jews poorer than me EVERYDAY

The whole point of rapping is to be financial successful you dumb ass

The hood and Black People are not joined by the Hip, Hoods exists all over the world and will never not exists
The worst part of Detroit, Michigan is the Southwest Side where all the mexicans live

you basing your views on stereotypes
every Jew is not some rich powerful mogul
just like every black is some thug in hood trying to sell drugs

Oprah doesn't have to do anything, but be successful, that's my point
black people succeed no matter what the struggles are
Oprah could do more, hell, wealthy people in general can solve all the worlds problems if the wanted it, but its not that simple

black people already are successful in all walks of life
there are black people in this country with zero hood ties, who look down on the lower class
just like whites in another race look down on someone poorer

the problem I have with this thread is your broad stroking black people as being the same
thats the problem with race in America

a black person can't be an individual in the eyes of others in this country because of views of people like you, always trying to define something about us
as fact, when all people suffer from the same things

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Why you worried about what another man's money is invested
thats there business
you not black stop worrying about what black people are or aren't doing, it doesn't matter
it only matters to people want to formulate racist ass opinions and views

Why do you care about the hood so much, your not from there, you just wanna see as a way to attack black people
when you don't understand any of the dynamic

How you know White people eating more of Drake, ain't he signed to a black man by name of Baby
what about the writers, who made hits for him, guys like the weeknd and Boi1nda who got careers of him
this happens with every artist

you don't know shyt about this industry, you just making assumptions

rap is allowed lots of black kids to make nice living for themselves, thats just a fact

to tell black kids not to pursue success in a serious money generating business is flat out hate as you would put it

how the fukk you know where I'm from? Where are you from? Kool G Rap is from my hood, Eric B grew up not too far from me, DJ Polo's kids grew up in the house next to me, I used to see Nore all the time back in the day during the public school free breakfast programs that were in place at the time, his sister lived on my block. Me and my moms was on foodstamps for a good long while when I was younger before she got a government job. If you wanna disagree cool but don't make personal assumptions based on nothing.

how am I attacking black people when earlier I gave an example of a black friend of mine who achieved more than I did in life because of his superior upbringing? The fukk are you even talking about? I'm attacking black people because I think more of them can be successful doing other things besides entertaining white people in the suburbs?

And you really think white people aren't eating more off Drake than black people?

Forget it man, I think we're done here.

 

[Master Teacher]

how the fukk you know where I'm from? Where are you from? Kool G Rap is from my hood, Eric B grew up not too far from me, DJ Polo's kids grew up in the house next to me, I used to see Nore all the time back in the day during the public school free breakfast programs that were in place at the time, his sister lived on my block. Me and my moms was on foodstamps for a good long while when I was younger before she got a government job. If you wanna disagree cool but don't make personal assumptions based on nothing.

how am I attacking black people when earlier I gave an example of a black friend of mine who achieved more than I did in life because of his superior upbringing? The fukk are you even talking about? I'm attacking black people because I think more of them can be successful doing other things besides entertaining white people in the suburbs?

And you really think white people aren't eating more off Drake than black people?

Forget it man, I think we're done here.

your arguments don't even make any sense

Yes more black people are eating off Drake, because he provides avenues for them to make money
an artist like drake creates jobs for folk to do other things that revolve around an artist's endeavors
you obviously don't understand that, you think just becaue an artist is signed, thats the end all be all
shyt trickles down

Just like Ludacris, his whole camp, his success feeds a lot of people
just like Grand Hustle
just like all these camps

stop with the resume, your not a street guy, stop it

if you knew all these cats and saw them do all these positive stuff because of rap, you wouldn't have the opinion you do

you bytch ass nikka blame and simple

most black people don't even rap or do music
you sound like a white person in a nice neighborhood and gets a black neighborhood
and ask what are you some kind of entertainer

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I see Jews poorer than me EVERYDAY

The whole point of rapping is to be financial successful you dumb ass

The hood and Black People are not joined by the Hip, Hoods exists all over the world and will never not exists
The worst part of Detroit, Michigan is the Southwest Side where all the mexicans live

you basing your views on stereotypes
every Jew is not some rich powerful mogul
just like every black is some thug in hood trying to sell drugs

Oprah doesn't have to do anything, but be successful, that's my point
black people succeed no matter what the struggles are
Oprah could do more, hell, wealthy people in general can solve all the worlds problems if the wanted it, but its not that simple

black people already are successful in all walks of life
there are black people in this country with zero hood ties, who look down on the lower class
just like whites in another race look down on someone poorer

the problem I have with this thread is your broad stroking black people as being the same
thats the problem with race in America

a black person can't be an individual in the eyes of others in this country because of views of people like you, always trying to define something about us
as fact, when all people suffer from the same things

All stereotypes are based on truths, even though they may be generalizations. You stereotyped Arabs earlier when you were making your point, it's OK.

All Indians don't stink, but a lot of them do, I can admit that

The idea here is to identify the root of those negative stereotypes and address them, not for the benefit of anybody else, but for the benefit of ones own kind. if you don't think there's a need for that, that's on you, I'm saying you're not making a very good case for yourself.

Every black person in the hood isn't a thug or selling drugs, but for some reason that's the image most ignorant people have of black people, regardless of their social status. Why is that? Who is promoting that imagery, and what avenues are used to promote it? Since you'r all about the money, what group of people are reaping the most benefits financially from this negative imagery?

I was watching True Blood last night...why is the only black man on that show a cross-dressing homosexual? That dude is making more money than you and me combined, but is that really something that should be put on a pedestal? Who cast that role for him? Is it wrong for me to ask these questions simply because I'm not black?

 

[Master Teacher]

your arguments don't even make any sense

Yes more black people are eating off Drake, because he provides avenues for them to make money
an artist like drake creates jobs for folk to do other things that revolve around an artist's endeavors
you obviously don't understand that, you think just becaue an artist is signed, thats the end all be all
shyt trickles down

Just like Ludacris, his whole camp, his success feeds a lot of people
just like Grand Hustle
just like all these camps

stop with the resume, your not a street guy, stop it

All stereotypes are based on truths, even though they may be generalizations. You stereotyped Arabs earlier when you were making your point, it's OK.

All Indians don't stink, but a lot of them do, I can admit that

The idea here is to identify the root of those negative stereotypes and address them, not for the benefit of anybody else, but for the benefit of ones own kind. if you don't think there's a need for that, that's on you, I'm saying you're not making a very good case for yourself.

Every black person in the hood isn't a thug or selling drugs, but for some reason that's the image most ignorant people have of black people, regardless of their social status. Why is that? Who is promoting that imagery, and what avenues are used to promote it? Since you'r all about the money, what group of people are reaping the most benefits financially from this negative imagery?

I was watching True Blood last night...why is the only black man on that show a cross-dressing homosexual? That dude is making more money than you and me combined, but is that really something that should be put on a pedestal? Who cast that role for him? Is it wrong for me to ask these questions simply because I'm not black?

I wasn't stereotyping Arabs, I was pointing out the fact that NOBODY SAYS THESE THINGS ABOUT THEM OR STEREOTYPES THEM AS ONLY DOING ONE THING
I was using your own logic against you

I dont watch True Blood, I seen an episode and was filled with fakkitry, so I assume its a show geared towards fakkits, and it was two whites who were gay
so I don't know what your talking about
Nobody puts True Blood on a pedestal
your arguments are nonsensical and have nothing to do with anything

your just looking for ways to shyt on black people because you feel some type of way

this is about the rap game, your saying should not be pursued by blacks, when I just crushed your ass give you reasons why they should
it's a billion dollar industry

 

[GetInTheTruck]

your arguments don't even make any sense

Yes more black people are eating off Drake, because he provides avenues for them to make money
an artist like drake creates jobs for folk to do other things that revolve around an artist's endeavors
you obviously don't understand that, you think just becaue an artist is signed, thats the end all be all
shyt trickles down

Just like Ludacris, his whole camp, his success feeds a lot of people
just like Grand Hustle
just like all these camps

stop with the resume, your not a street guy, stop it

if you knew all these cats and saw them do all these positive stuff because of rap, you wouldn't have the opinion you do

you bytch ass nikka blame and simple

most black people don't even rap or do music
you sound like a white person in a nice neighborhood and gets a black neighborhood
and ask what are you some kind of entertainer

If that's really what you're getting from what I'm saying then I don't think it's worth continuing this discussion. You only seeing what you want to see.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Hip-hop has only increased my world view, broadened my horizons and gave me perspectives on things that I wouldn't have ever had.. In short, hip-hop has made me a better person, I would argue a "destructive" person would be destructive regardless.. you can't place the sole blame on the music they listen to... their parents, peers and environment have a much bigger effect..People used to think Rock music was going to be the downfall of society...same shyt different toilet.

 

[Blackking]

I don't even think it's the 'street' element of hip-hop that's the problem, hip-hop used to be street and introspective at the same time. the street life was put on display for the listening audience, as opposed to now where it's outright glorified with nothing of worth to be found underneath the filth.

white and asian kids, even those who may have grown up in "street environments" have the values that were instilled in them by their parents to fall back on. that's why they can indulge in the decadence of American culture that you're talking about and still come out OK a lot of the time. Black kids start out at a clear disadvantage from the start, too many of them are being indirectly raised by these clown ass rappers instead of their parents and they sure as hell aren't being taught anything of value at school so the cycle will continue.

Here's a real life example - my first friend ever was black - Jamaican. We went to the same pre-school but he didn't live in my neighborhood, he lived not too far away but in a better area. His parents were divorced, but his pops was a stable dude and always in his life....his moms was a no-nonsense type, she wouldn't let him come and chill in my neighborhood like that because she knew the kind of people that were around....once we were in his crib playing Grand Turismo for PS1 all day and his moms came into the living room, opened up the PS1, broke the disc in half, and politely told me that I had to go home I went to his crib once smelling like weed and she wouldn't allow me back there for a year. The kids on my block didn't like him because he was a "nerd ass nikka." We were friends throughout high school but while I was getting caught up in all the garbage that was around me, he was doing his thing in school...fast forward to now dude is a successful attorney. You don't think his up-bringing had anything to do with that? We both listened to rap, we both played the same video games, we both liked the same movies....so what was the difference?

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said about untapped intellect in the black community, but you may be an exception as far as how you thought when you were younger. I don't know where you're from breh, but where I'm from, nobody was running around talking about "I wanna be an engineer." I don't have to be black to see that your case is an outlier. That's a great story though and I salute you for it. If more black kids were like my friend and were raised in households that taught them how to separate bullshyt entertainment from what's real then there would be way more progress in those communities...but until then, this present day hip-hop "culture" is doing more harm than good. I don't see any redeeming qualities in it at all.

I'm not saying that the blame completely at the feet of rappers and hip-hop personalities but those people shouldn't be looked upon as models of success, IMO. A black kid shouldn't be trying to be the next Jay-Z or Lebron james, he should try to be the next black doctor, lawyer, engineer (like you), or business owner. It's not all about money.

Black kids strive to be doctors lawyers, and all sorts of random shyt. Ask them what they want to be and it's in line with what most lil kids want to be. The situation takes a turn when they start to fall into the American black experience. I'm no exception to any rule in the sense that my aspirations were higher... The only exception is that I had good role models... NTM drug dealers drove me to school n shyt so I didn't have to go through the task of trying to be hard or something I'm not.... I could take honors classes copy off my homegirl (who is now a black girl w like 900k and single -go figure)... but not have to live the life and deal w the BS. Either way, no kid should want to be like me, cuz I'm a triflin and grimy dude... but black kids should strive for more. I don't think they have to ignore hip hop to do that.
There are hardly any kids who want to be doctors lawyers salesman, engineers, etc that don't listen to hip hop. All these Asian kids have hip hop on their mp3... they still are successful equal to their effort level. Effort doesn't always equal success in the black experience....


Also immortal technique isn't garbage.


Also, it is all about money if you are poor and in the hood. You have to get yours fukk everyone else.. and what is the fastest way to get it. That is a natural reaction to those cards being dealt to u at birth.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I wasn't stereotyping Arabs, I was pointing out the fact that NOBODY SAYS THESE THINGS ABOUT THEM OR STEREOTYPES THEM AS ONLY DOING ONE THING
I was using your own logic against you

I dont watch True Blood, I seen an episode and was filled with fakkitry, so I assume its a show geared towards fakkits, and it was two whites who were gay
so I don't know what your talking about
Nobody puts True Blood on a pedestal
your arguments are nonsensical and have nothing to do with anything

your just looking for ways to shyt on black people because you feel some type of way

this is about the rap game, your saying should not be pursued by blacks, when I just crushed your ass give you reasons why they should
it's a billion dollar industry

a billion dollar industry that makes it's money portraying black people negatively. say what you want to say, but it is what it is.

I'm not anti hip-hop, I'm anti corporate rap music and how it has come to define hip-hop culture. It's poison. I don't give a fukk what you say, I call it how I see it.

 

[Blackking]

the lifestyles aren't even comparable bro


10k nikka, are you serious, I can spend 10k in two weeks and not even be mad about I haven't had a job in ten years

lol

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Black kids strive to be doctors lawyers, and all sorts of random shyt. Ask them what they want to be and it's in line with what most lil kids want to be. The situation takes a turn when they start to fall into the American black experience. I'm no exception to any rule in the sense that my aspirations were higher... The only exception is that I had good role models... NTM drug dealers drove me to school n shyt so I didn't have to go through the task of trying to be hard or something I'm not.... I could take honors classes copy off my homegirl (who is now a black girl w like 900k and single -go figure)... but not have to live the life and deal w the BS. Either way, no kid should want to be like me, cuz I'm a triflin and grimy dude... but black kids should strive for more. I don't think they have to ignore hip hop to do that.
There are hardly any kids who want to be doctors lawyers salesman, engineers, etc that don't listen to hip hop. All these Asian kids have hip hop on their mp3... they still are successful equal to their effort level. Effort doesn't always equal success in the black experience....


Also immortal technique isn't garbage.


Also, it is all about money if you are poor and in the hood. You have to get yours fukk everyone else.. and what is the fastest way to get it. That is a natural reaction to those cards being dealt to u at birth.

You're right man, but like what I said in that black geniuses thread, there needs to be more attention given to these people, instead the only images we see of black people is that of drug dealers, gangsters, pimps, and ho's...and unfortunately most of that is done in the name of "hip-hop." It's not a culture anymore, it's a product....hip-hop now is a grafted form of the original, and anything grafted from the live, original germ is DEVIL if you wanna break it down in that aspect.

 

[Master Teacher]

a billion dollar industry that makes it's money portraying black people negatively. say what you want to say, but it is what it is.

I'm not anti hip-hop, I'm anti corporate rap music and how it has come to define hip-hop culture. It's poison. I don't give a fukk what you say, I call it how I see it.

Does Kendrick Lamar portray black people negatively too you
how does Jay-Z portray black people negatively

did Johnny Cash portray white people negatively when had songs about gangsta shyt

why people said the same things about rock'n roll back in the days, didn't want their kids listening to ****** music

Did Godfather Movies portray the italians negatively
how about Scarface with the cubans

how about the reality show Jersey Shore

You can look for the bad in anything BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE
you think negatively of black people so you look for anything you can to REINFORCE YOUR STEREOTYPES

And Stereotypes are not BASED ON TRUTH, but on IGNORANCE

If I see a black man rob someone. Then the next black man you see, you assume he is dangerous and wants to harm
thats Stereotype, your projecting something onto someone else

i can watch the most ignorant rap video, and not stereotype my own damn race, becuase I know the shyt is make believe

 

[Leasy]

I thought this was going to be about vibration/frequencys and how it affects the mind/enviroment. I see that is not the case and my only answer to this topic is Rap Music in generally can be degrading and send the wrong message but it is up to the parents to raise their kids and dictate what infleuence their kids.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I think we are chasing our tails on this subject

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Remember when people thought that Elvis would be the downfall of American society when he was gyrating his hips and pelvic thrusting on stage during performances.

Keep blaming an art form for societies ills though. That's what "they" want you to think. That it's ALLLLLL the people's fault.

This allows them to keep doing what they're doing without any repercussions, and when there are negative consequences of their actions, they will go largely ignored or simply not spoken about.