The Powerful Nature of our music/ The destructive power of rap

[Julius Skrrvin]

Most arabs, indians, and asians are not so well off than blacks

If I got to the most upper class neighborhoods in this country I guarantee there's more black people living there than any of them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income





If you're saying that the majority of us asians/indians 'wish we were rappers, flossers, (given that entertainment is the highest grossing profession out there)' then how come we are the highest earning demographic on average by about 10k? It's because the majority of immigrants here from asia are SKILLED, KNOWLEDGEABLE, and have educations in respectable fields... You don't even see the poorer, uneducated versions of us in the hood really losing, we have small businesses like motels, laundromats, food stores, convenience, imports. Asians are quite clearly well off in this country and y'all should take some cues from us (and other immigrant groups).

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Most arabs, indians, and asians are not so well off than blacks

If I got to the most upper class neighborhoods in this country I guarantee there's more black people living there than any of them

black kids aren't force to believe anything, your forcing yourself because your allowing someone to talk down to making you believe thats all black people do.

Jay-Z can buy a hospital, but he doesn't need too, He trying to get to a BILLION let that man cook, trying to save the world will make you go broke
but imagine if gets mutli-billions the good he can do

Somebody just put up post showing the young black kids succeeding in all walks of life
most black people are not trying to be rappers
you believing racist rhetoric

them arabs in the corner stores WISH THEY COULD BE RAPPERS
the indians wish their mundane life was comparable to way the nikkaz is live

We make the best out of the worst situations we find a way to shine no matter what, thats what they envy about us
we always enjoy all yourselves no matter where we at or what we're doing, we find a way.

Puff Daddy went to an elite boarding school where he was only the black person
so did Dame Dash

Being a rapper is better option for kids in the Ghetto than School
have you seen the schools these lil nikkaz go to, THEY LOOK LIKE PRISONS
I'd tell a young nikka to drop out get a GED and go to community college instead of High School in the Ghetto, its a waste of time
and its an environment detrimental to your mind

These immigrants work hard, but truth in told, they work more than they enjoy the fruits of their labor goes for the arabs too, unless your the top dawg in the family

If your stuck in a environment where all you around is ignorance, you have to change that for yourself, abandon your old friends, abandon the environment you in
and go somewhere else
black people succeed everywhere and all walks of life, you believing in ghost stories

I'm sorry man but if you really believe the bolded is true, you're heavily deluded. It's just not true.

Being a rapper is a better option for kids in the ghetto

If the public schools are garbage than the goal should be to seek a quality education by other means, not "become a rapper."

Come on man.

 

[Master Teacher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income





If you're saying that the majority of us asians/indians 'wish we were rappers, flossers, (given that entertainment is the highest grossing profession out there)' then how come we are the highest earning demographic on average by about 10k? It's because the majority of immigrants here from asia are SKILLED, KNOWLEDGEABLE, and have educations in respectable fields... You don't even see the poorer, uneducated versions of us in the hood really losing, we have small businesses like motels, laundromats, food stores, convenience, imports. Asians are quite clearly well off in this country and y'all should take some cues from us (and other immigrant groups).

the lifestyles aren't even comparable bro


10k nikka, are you serious, I can spend 10k in two weeks and not even be mad about I haven't had a job in ten years
if thats a gap big enough for you brag about, i feel sorry for you, because thats not any money at all.

You so small minded, its about LIFE STYLE
black people live a lot better than what you think, maybe because I don't need statistics, because I see black people balling everyday
doing real estate, I know a nikka 28 got his own Beauty School get government checks from the student loans, he making 8 gs in profit every month
sitting on his ass, I'm do the same thing because it takes two years of the school running before you can get certified to receive the government money

all the shyt you saying black people do to man

all those small businesses the workers who work there lives ain't shyt, ain't no different than anybody with a job

black people are hustlers by nature, all people can do is point to hood, and be like see, see look
hood is a mentality, if you was from the hood you will understand, is the mentality of the people that live there

With the black dollars the asians, arabs, and indians will starve
you better hope nikkaz don't start opening up shyt in their own community, your people will be assed out

All the people who speak bad on rap and black entertainers are ENVIOUS of their lifestyle
which is a carefree lifestyle filled WITH FUN all the time, when even the whites with money have to work hard and have stressful routines in order to
maintain their lifestyles

How can I tell a black kid not to be in sports and entertainment, when it's big money in it
that is a loser's mentality

people get educated for what, "TO GET A JOB SO THEY CAN MAKE A LIVING"

so if you can make living doing entertainment and be successful, your more educated than the person going to college, because you actually excel and what you do

I'd rather a Currensy Level rapper than some indian with a dunkin donuts franchise, we'd be living next door, only I'm smoking weed with chicks all day, while you going to work to make sure your business ain't losing money

 

[Master Teacher]

I'm sorry man but if you really believe the bolded is true, you're heavily deluded. It's just not true.

Being a rapper is a better option for kids in the ghetto

If the public schools are garbage than the goal should be to seek a quality education by other means, not "become a rapper."

Come on man.

You've deluded yourself

Drake is a middle class kid from Toronto
would he rather be who is, or a fukking liqour store owner in the midwest
rappers don't even come from the ghetto historically, they all just pretended anyway

I know arabs, they fascinated with rap, they idolize Tupac, they idolize nikkaz, they wanna be nikkaZ point blank
yes there's some big baller arabs, but that is not the majority, same with the indians, and all that shyt


The whole structure from them arabs works like this
the father has to buy them things, a house, car, even when they're grown
until its there turn to get their own store

Black people we do shyt on our time, but I our terms
you've already achieved more than any minority in this country

where's the asian-american oprah, or the chaldean Farrah Gray

the big money asians and arabs, are in their native nations

 

[GetInTheTruck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income





If you're saying that the majority of us asians/indians 'wish we were rappers, flossers, (given that entertainment is the highest grossing profession out there)' then how come we are the highest earning demographic on average by about 10k? It's because the majority of immigrants here from asia are SKILLED, KNOWLEDGEABLE, and have educations in respectable fields... You don't even see the poorer, uneducated versions of us in the hood really losing, we have small businesses like motels, laundromats, food stores, convenience, imports. Asians are quite clearly well off in this country and y'all should take some cues from us (and other immigrant groups).

well we do have an advantage over black folks, let's not be disingenuous about that. the point though is that hip-hop culture as currently constituted doesn't help them to overcome those disadvantages and in more ways than one it actually hurts...but that's by design, not accident. it may make a select few "rich," but that's about where it ends.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Ok keep feeding yourself and others street dreams while children go uneducated and starve, people live on welfare, and your communities devolve from hustlers trying to make a quick buck off dirty living.

Im happy that the majority of people who are black on HL dont feel the same as you.

Also at asian immigrants getting put out on their ass by black development, smh... we already have portions of cities carved out for our healthy communities and we aren't going anywhere.

 

[Master Teacher]

well we do have an advantage over black folks, let's not be disingenuous about that. the point though is that hip-hop culture as currently constituted doesn't help them to overcome those disadvantages and in more ways than one it actually hurts...but that's by design, not accident. it may make a select few "rich," but that's about where it ends.

it doesn't hurt, this is a BUSINESS, all you non-blacks fasincated with this shyt fail to understand that

It's nikkaz out here on the local level making a LIVING being rappers, charging people for beats, charging people for studio time
Everybody aint Drake

but every lawyer ain't gonna be World famous either
every doctor ain't gonna be driving bentley, thats why the misdiagnosis patients so they can get that money from the insurance company
because they wanna go out and stunt

RAP IS AN INDUSTRY

EVERY ARTIST IS A CORPORATION

Its not just Drake eating, its a whole bunch of people that EAT BECAUSE OF HIM
promoters eat because of rappers
local club owners eat
managers eat
DJ's eat
dancers eat
producers eat
Studio Owners Eat
Engineers eat
Video guys eat
You don't have to be rapper to be in this game, its more than one ways to make money of this shyt

anybody shytting on rap game don't know shyt about it and is jealous because they don't have the hustle to do it

 

[Master Teacher]

I WAS IN THE STUDIO WITH THIS nikka A FEW YEARS AGO

HE IS A DOCTOR, a REAL DOCTOR, but he WANTS TO BE RAPPER

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Hip Hop is a lot less criminal minded than it was 20 plus years ago. With that being said, so called negative rap is only a symptom of a bigger problem....

If you look at the environment that produced these artists, then that should answer most of your questions.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You've deluded yourself

Drake is a middle class kid from Toronto
would he rather be who is, or a fukking liqour store owner in the midwest
rappers don't even come from the ghetto historically, they all just pretended anyway

I know arabs, they fascinated with rap, they idolize Tupac, they idolize nikkaz, they wanna be nikkaZ point blank
yes there's some big baller arabs, but that is not the majority, same with the indians, and all that shyt


The whole structure from them arabs works like this
the father has to buy them things, a house, car, even when they're grown
until its there turn to get their own store

Black people we do shyt on our time, but I our terms
you've already achieved more than any minority in this country

where's the asian-american oprah, or the chaldean Farrah Gray

the big money asians and arabs, are in their native nations

You think you're doing things on your terms, but you aren't. I mean nobody really is, but the situation in America is more dire for black folk than it is for anybody else aside from maybe native americans.

I can't speak for Arabs because I didn't grow up around them like that, but I can say that for Indians, especially "high caste" Indians like brahmins, it's not about wealth so much as it is about education. My family are brahmins, and even though I make good money for myself, I'm still not looked upon as favorably as other people my age in my family. Why? because I don't have a college degree, I don't speak my mother tongue, I live with a woman who isn't my wife, etc. Even though it's not a pleasant feeling being looked upon that way, I have to admit that that kind of mentality is better for the health of a people overall than "get rich or die trying," or "he's getting money, let that man cook."

Oprah is a billionaire but she'll build schools for kids in africa before she will for black kids in america...why is that?

 

[Master Teacher]

You think you're doing things on your terms, but you aren't. I mean nobody really is, but the situation in America is more dire for black folk than it is for anybody else aside from maybe native americans.

I can't speak for Arabs because I didn't grow up around them like that, but I can say that for Indians, especially "high caste" Indians like brahmins, it's not about wealth so much as it is about education. My family are brahmins, and even though I make good money for myself, I'm still not looked upon as favorably as other people my age in my family. Why? because I don't have a college degree, I don't speak my mother tongue, I live with a woman who isn't my wife, etc. Even though it's not a pleasant feeling being looked upon that way, I have to admit that that kind of mentality is better for the health of a people overall than "get rich or die trying," or "he's getting money, let that man cook."

Oprah is a billionaire but she'll build schools for kids in africa before she will for black kids in america...why is that?

your sound like a fool
a rapper being a businessman is doing it on his own terms, even if you signed a deal, you made that choice to enter a business arrangement
people work jobs not because they want to, because they have to

black kids go to good schools in America too, ask Oprah why she did what she did
thats not the point, the point is she has the money to do whatever she wants, like a lot of black people do.
not every black person lives in the ghetto
there are black kids in the ghetto who go to good schools in suburbs because academics or athletics, schools most people regardless of race can't get into

for being such a small population in this country, people always wanna have black people name in the mouth
don't worry about it, we good

 

[GetInTheTruck]

it doesn't hurt, this is a BUSINESS, all you non-blacks fasincated with this shyt fail to understand that

It's nikkaz out here on the local level making a LIVING being rappers, charging people for beats, charging people for studio time
Everybody aint Drake

but every lawyer ain't gonna be World famous either
every doctor ain't gonna be driving bentley, thats why the misdiagnosis patients so they can get that money from the insurance company
because they wanna go out and stunt

RAP IS AN INDUSTRY

EVERY ARTIST IS A CORPORATION

Its not just Drake eating, its a whole bunch of people that EAT BECAUSE OF HIM
promoters eat because of rappers
local club owners eat
managers eat
DJ's eat
dancers eat
producers eat
Studio Owners Eat
Engineers eat
Video guys eat
You don't have to be rapper to be in this game, its more than one ways to make money of this shyt

anybody shytting on rap game don't know shyt about it and is jealous because they don't have the hustle to do it

And where is all that money that's being made being invested? The hood ain't seeing none of that....or is that not important to you as long as people like Drake are "cooking," he aint even from the hood. Rap is an industry, no shyt, but it's not an industry where black people are calling the shots.

The very fact that you're in here bigging up Drake, the biggest corporate rap music tool to come along in years, is there are more white people eating off of Drake than black people that's for damn sure.

You end your post by basically calling people who disagree with you a "hater," that's a perfect example of what's wrong.

 

[Master Teacher]

And where is all that money that's being made being invested? The hood ain't seeing none of that....or is that not important to you as long as people like Drake are "cooking," he aint even from the hood. Rap is an industry, no shyt, but it's not an industry where black people are calling the shots.

The very fact that you're in here bigging up Drake, the biggest corporate rap music tool to come along in years, is there are more white people eating off of Drake than black people that's for damn sure.

You end your post by basically calling people who disagree with you a "hater," that's a perfect example of what's wrong.

Why you worried about what another man's money is invested
thats there business
you not black stop worrying about what black people are or aren't doing, it doesn't matter
it only matters to people want to formulate racist ass opinions and views

Why do you care about the hood so much, your not from there, you just wanna see as a way to attack black people
when you don't understand any of the dynamic

How you know White people eating more of Drake, ain't he signed to a black man by name of Baby
what about the writers, who made hits for him, guys like the weeknd and Boi1nda who got careers of him
this happens with every artist

you don't know shyt about this industry, you just making assumptions

rap is allowed lots of black kids to make nice living for themselves, thats just a fact

to tell black kids not to pursue success in a serious money generating business is flat out hate as you would put it

 

[rapbeats]

I'm not trying to invoke the non-existent atheist soul of @theworldismine13 so I'm not going to just talk shyt about rap and urban culture...


But I have a question about rap and if it can be helpful and black empowerment and social change.

Top 10 records usually contain at least 7 or 8 (sometimes 10) records that destroy our minds, and train our youth to stay in mindless state of ignorance. It makes it so that the generation of saying nikkas are actually ******s in training.

The Gawd Jay Z states not an exact quote....

Then you have rappers like Immoral Tech who hits the streets daily doing real shyt. Motivating young revolutionaries and pseudo revolutionaries through his music. Dropping videos, etc. More people listen to rappers like him than you think. WE don't think so because we measure everything on records sales and crime rates.

Can our music save us or at this point can it only destroy us? Deep inside I feel like throwing it in the bushes is not only admitting defeat but a way of pushing the knife all the way in yourself.




Can our music help spread messages for us and be a key motivating factor for us if we can control it???

Too many people just diss rap completely and ignore the underground messages that are basically the only ones dropping knowledge on a significant % of black youth.

Is it not weak as fukk to get rid of something just because your oppressors have twisted it to use against you.

the simple answer is go back and listen to ice cube(early version). go back and listen to a lot of west coast rappers talk about being mistreated by the local police, listen to rappers overall talking about how the govvy didnt care about minorities. and how they were mistreating us as well. i still remember a few songs from E-40 literally telling people go get yourself some vending machines and invest in that.

if you do hair(talking to women). get yourself a hairshop, nailshop.

even too short had some wisdom for you. and we know what most of his music was about.

the worse of the worse offenders back in the 90's. were also going to give you at least 1 or 2 joints per album where they were giving the people what they needed. not just what they thought they wanted to hear. this is the biggest difference intodays hiphop. where on the commercial level its 100% giving you what you want to hear for a quick moment. and never giving you what you NEED to hear. only underground rappers are doing that. or only past commercially successful conscious mcees are doing that now. but doing so puts you outside of commercially successful. it pushes you into the underground space.

LUpe is THEE only Commercially successful new era rapper thats fighging the good fight. thats it.

nas doesnt count since he's a 90's rapper. and he does we he can do.

the only way this changes is if You the buyers of this music. the streamers and downloaders of this music. stop running to cotton candy quick fixes. and you start running to rap with substance more often then not. doing so will make the labels mimic whats hot. and produce more of the same.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

your sound like a fool
a rapper being a businessman is doing it on his own terms, even if you signed a deal, you made that choice to enter a business arrangement
people work jobs not because they want to, because they have to

black kids go to good schools in America too, ask Oprah why she did what she did
thats not the point, the point is she has the money to do whatever she wants, like a lot of black people do.
not every black person lives in the ghetto
there are black kids in the ghetto who go to good schools in suburbs because academics or athletics, schools most people regardless of race can't get into

for being such a small population in this country, people always wanna have black people name in the mouth
don't worry about it, we good

You brought up Oprah, not me. I know she can do what she wants, obviously, I'm asking you why you think she decided to do what she did.

There are many successful black people in America, yeah, I'm saying that there can be a lot more. That's my personal observation/opinion. What's wrong with that? Forget about asians and arabs for a second, look at the Jews. Look at how successful they are despite the fact that they number so little in comparison to everybody else. Is it because they are superior to everybody else?

So far you've done an excellent job saying that rappers are very financially successful, but you haven't done much else. I don't think that was ever a matter of debate in the first place.